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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 9/18/2007 3:53 AM

~~ I am my Father ~~

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Joh 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

The false ‘Jesus-only�?doctrine rests heavily upon the MISINTERPRETATION of the above verses. If an interpretation is NOT written, just as spoken, and if it crosses other Scriptures, then know that the interpretation is FALSE. Truth cannot and does not contradict itself. All Scripture is the TRUTH of God. It is HIS word. Dare any of you call God a lie? Just because of your little lack of understanding?

So let’s examine the above in light of other Scripture. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Now they claim this means that Jesus is the Father. Then why didn’t he say so? Why did he say you can only come to the Father by himself? Is that sensible, to say you can only come to me by me?

If you had known me, ye should have known MY FATHER also. So, is it sensible to say, if you have known me, ye should have known me also? Do you really think this is what Jesus was saying? If you have known me, you should have known me also? Not hardly.

So then, seeing is understanding, right? Sure. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father also? (If you have seen me, you have seen me also???) So if someone asked me, show me your Mother…and because I do only the things my Mother does, I say, if you have seen me, you have seen my Mother also, because I do only what my Mother does……so in this, I have showed you, already, my Mother, by the very works I do and the words I say, for I only say what my Mother tells me to say�?so when you hear me…you hear my Mother. But instead of this, Jesus is supposed to have said, if you have seen me you have really seen me, for I am me, or rather I am my own Father. ?? Huh? Is that how you really think Jesus talked? Sounds rather looney to me.

Phillip, I have only done the works of my Father and only said the words of my father, so how can you say, shew us the Father? I have already shown him to you by my works and words. Proof? Sure: John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? (I am in me and me is in me also? Is that what you think Jesus said?)…No. He said God is a Spirit, and that Spirit of God is in me. He is telling me what to say, and I only say what he tells me to say. The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of my own thoughts, but the Father, which dwells in me, he does the works. Believe me. Do you believe Jesus? Believe me that I am in the father and the Father is in me, or else believe me for the very works�?sake.

If you cannot believe what I am saying, (Jesus speaking), then at least believe that the works I am doing is the works of my Father and the words I speak are my Father’s words. So I have already shown you my father. Now. (their version: I do not speak my own word, but I speak my words. I am in me and me is in me also. If you don’t believe this, then believe me, for I am in my self, and my self, is in me also.)

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Now for the real bomb-shell�?he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and even greater works than these shall he do�?so if the works prove that I am the Father, then shall you be the Father even more, for you can do the same works I am doing. So if I must be the Father to do this, then you will be even more-so the Father. And you can do greater works than this, because I am staying myself�?means my father.

Did he say that? Nope. He said you shall do greater than these BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER. (but really, I am my father, so I do not have to go to my father. He is in me, so I do not have to go anywhere to go to myself. I am the Father. I am always with the Father…don’t have to go anywhere to be with myself.) that is how the world teaches John 14.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Ask in my name, and I will do it that I may be glorified in myself. HUH? Well, after all, self is the father of self? Right? According to the Jesus-only folks, this is the solid truth. And I am not changing a thing. This is just how it would have to read, if they are correct.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him

(Now, [and remember, I am only saying this as Jesus would have had to say it, according to the Jesus-only doctrine], He that loves me, will be loved of me, and I will love him.)

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

(If a man love me, he will keep my words, and I will love him and I [we] {see, he made a mistake here, by saying ‘we�?when he really means just me}, will come unto him and make my {our} {{same mistake again}}, (he thinks he is a plural being)), abode with him.

Now for the big lie! The word which ye hear is NOT MINE. Hear that? Jesus is telling one here, according to the �?I>jesus-only doctrine�?/I>. He said the word is NOT MINE. Yet he is the only one whose it could be?? Not mine, but the Father’s which SENT ME. (No, he had to say, not mine, but really is mine, (see, I am just kidding ((Jesus)) but is mine because I sent myself.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(His words, according to them)�?I>The Comforter, is really me, in disguise, and myself will send my self in my name, and myself will teach you all things, and bring it to your memory, all I said unto you).

And last of all: John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

(According to them�?I>that the world may know that I love myself, and as myself gave myself commandment, even so I do.)

Now, I have not added a thing here, except exactly how it would have to read, if the Jesus-only doctrine were true. Did Jesus really speak that crazy? But the real proof is that it must not cross other Scriptures. Did they check this out? Not at all. Now don’t forget, Jesus told them, if you have seen me, you have seen my Father. And if you have known me, you should have known my Father also. From henceforth (this source) you have seen my Father.

So. (check it out)..

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (You have seen God from me, this source, you have seen my Father. See, the son is in the bosom of his self and declares himself.)

1jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 1jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 1jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

(Yes, you have seen God when you looked at me, for I am God, said Jesus? Right? According to millions of church folks, this is right. If we love one another, I dwell in us and my love is perfected in us. We know we dwell in him and he is us, because he hath given us himself. We have seen that the Father sent the Father to be the Saviour, or the Son sent the Son to be the Saviour, or I sent myself to be the Saviour?)

Well, well. So it does cross Scripture. Two different verses saying that no man hath seen God at any time. Yet Jesus said if you see me, you have seen HIM. It also says here that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. It does not say the Son sent the son, or sent himself. It does not say the Father sent the Father or self.

Yet, in spite of all this solid proof, that they are misinterpreting John 14, they totally over-looked this and went right on in their false doctrine, teaching the world lies. In spite of all this proof, they had not considered that perhaps they are not seeing the real truth here. In spite of all this, an entire church is built upon this false, sand foundation of lies.

Do they really seek truth? Do they really care? Do they really love God?

By: Jo Smith �?Sept. 17, 2007



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/20/2007 11:17 PM

~~ Whom do you say he is? ~~

Mt 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Mt 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Mt 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Mt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Whom do men say that Jesus is? Whom do you say He is? Almost all men say he is God…he is God robed in flesh…he is God incarnate…he is God in humanity, …he is the humanity of God�?he is God’s flesh…etc.

I cannot find any of that written in Scripture�?so where do they get that? It is important, or Jesus would not have gone to this discussion.

Notice, in verse 14, that none of those of their day thought that Jesus was God. That was not any of the opinions of man, of that day. They thought he might be one of the prophets, but not one of them said they thought he might be God. It never entered their minds that Jesus was God.

But Jesus nailed it down to you personally. Who do you say he is? Peter, who do you say he is? Now the truth is the answer Peter gave, for Jesus verified this and nailed it down as the foundation upon which he builds his church. So unless you have the same revelation, you are not on the right foundation.

What was Peter’s answer? Did Peter say, I believe that you are God? No way. Did he say I believe that you are God in human flesh. Nope. Did he say, you are God incarnate? No.

Why do you all not deal with this? You asked for proof that Jesus is not God. Here it is. Peter had the true revelation from God the Father. If you cannot believe this, you have no faith at all.

Mt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Now that is the only true answer the Word of God gives us. Man made up the lie that Jesus is God.

By: Jo Smith �?Sept. 20, 2007

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 12/5/2007 6:26 PM

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Ro 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Ro 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Ro 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Ro 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Keep verse 20 separate from the others just for now. I will come back to it to show you that God is not A person. I will show you how to prove the true nature of God with that verse.

But for now, Look at verse 25. They worshipped and served the CREATURE more than the CREATOR.

That is idolatry. Jesus was one of us CREATURES. He was not the creator. Now don’t take this and stop with it. I will prove all of this with solid Scripture proof.

When you do know the truth, we DO WORSHIP Jesus today. He is our God and he is our Father. BUT he is NOT GOD. Now just stay with me on this. It will sound foolish to you right now. But if you ask God to teach you, and let him teach you, you too will come to understand and know this truth.

To worship Jesus, before he was set up by God to be worshipped as our God, to call that man born to Mary, God , is idolatry. It is error. Even Jesus never one time said, I am God. He never claimed to be any creator. Man made this lie up.

When you know the truth, we do worship Jesus. But to say we worship Jesus, the man who walked this earth, and call him God, and thus deny the true God, Jesus�?father, is not only idolatry, but it is ANTI-CHRIST.

When you set anyone or thing, before the true God, that is idolatry. Without knowing it, you are setting a human man above the true and living God. So, yes. That is idolatry.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/22/2008 1:13 AM
God is not a woman.  Neither is he a man. 

1sa 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Job 9:32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Job 9:33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

Nu 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

There is more than the required three witnesses proving that God is not a man. Surely you know that Jesus was a man?

Jesus told the woman at the well, God is a Spirit.

God is not a man, neither the son of man. Jesus is a man, and the son of man. Jesus is not a spirit.

Lu 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. Lu 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Lu 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

This was spoken by Jesus after his resurrection. He was still not a spirit.

He was A MAN OF SORROWS AND ACQUAINTED WITH GRIEF.

One God and one mediator between God and men, THE MAN, CHRIST JESUS.


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