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General : The Great Men, Jer 5
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  in response to Message 1Sent: 9/26/2008 10:08 PM

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Jer 5:8 They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour's wife. Jer 5:9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Here God again shows more of their rebellion. He says that he will visit them for these evils. Shall not my soul be avenged on such a NATION as this? They are the same old rebels who began with Adam, in Eden. Now they fill the churches, or harlot houses. They flat deny all the gifts of the Spirit and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, thus rejecting the entire New Covenant and clinging to that old destroyed old covenant.

Jer 5:10 Go ye up upon her walls, and destroy; but make not a full end: take away her battlements; for they are not the LORD'S. Jer 5:11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD. Jer 5:12 They have belied the LORD, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine:

Verse 11 proves again, that this is speaking of the house of Israel and Judah. They dealt very treacherously against God. They boast that no evil shall come upon them. But then God speaks to a certain group of people, and tells them to GO UP UPON HER WALLS AND DESTROY. Her battlements were not the LORD’S. So what is her battlements? It is that old law. They belied God and said that it was God who told them to do these things, offering incense, killing animals, and such. But see that God denies, In Isa one, that is was HE who required these things. They are NOT the battlements of the Lord. Faith is the sword, or battlement of the LORD.

Who is he speaking to? Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. (This is the greatest and strongest people who have ever or will ever exist. So it has to be the SONS OF GOD.)

Joel 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

Joe 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. (This is those horses in Rev. nine. It is the horsemen in the fifth and sixth trumpets. )

Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: (So this is that group of mighty men, in Jer. 5, which go up on their wall and destroy that sinful kingdom.)

See that all Scripture shows that the end-time witnesses, will have this fire coming out of their mouths, to devour their enemies, or the stubble. Esau’s people or kingdom, is always called the stubble. It is that old sinful kingdom or Adam/Satan.

This great group of ancient men, began their work in Noah, as he built that ark and saved his own family, while the rest of that society perished in that flood. Then again, we see this great group of ancient men of power, working to destroy that old kingdom, as Peter, Paul and the other Apostles brought destruction to that old sinful kingdom of bondage, law. They brought in the New Kingdom of Jesus Christ, the new heavens and earth. As they bought in the new world, they also destroyed that old world, just as Noah had done in his time.

But here in the end of this world, there will be another great group of Sons of God, who will again go up on her walls and destroy her. This time will fulfill Rev. 18, and will destroy her roots and her branches, leaving nothing of her to come back up on this earth again. Then will come total peace and a joyful kingdom of God, upon this earth.

Now here is more proof that this is the same mighty group of men as in Jer. 5:

Joel 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. (This is the coming of the Lord, as a thief.)

This is also proof that it is the same group in Isa. 33. See that they run to and fro in the city. This is that group of destroyers, in Eze 9, as they go about the city, searching for any who are truly serving God, to set the mark of God upon them, so that they will not be destroyed in the destruction which will follow their being marked.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

See that the sixth seal is present here, as it goes with this time of destruction of God. These mighty men of God now stop reaching out with their light, and begin their work of bringing the wrath of the Lamb on this earth. It showed up in Noah’s time, as he stopped reaching out to people and went into that ark. For seven days they sat there and waited. For seven churches Jesus has waited. But in the end time, of the seven days, then destruction comes, as he withdraws his light and sends them total darkness. It was the same darkness which came as Jesus hung on that cross, and destruction was set for that OT Covenant, Judah and Jerusalem, Law.

Now in the end of this world, all of this will repeat, as the witnesses of God, filled with the Holy Ghost and Fire of God, go out to fulfill Psm. 149. They will work with this spirit of Fire and bring total destruction to the sinful kingdom at this time. Verse 11 proves that this is God’s great people, his army. They began with Eve and continued on down to the very last saint who will be filled with the Holy Ghost, before that final destruction of the sinful kingdom.

The rest of this chapter in Joel, shows clearly that the people are the Saints of God, who are filled with the Holy Ghost and eating in plenty, as God reveals the full truth to his people. He shows that the northern army, the four worms before them, had destroyed God’s vine, but now he restored it. Then it shows the coming of Pentecost, proving that this is the same mighty group of men, who are filled with the glory of God. It is the sons of God, returned to the earth.

Jer 5:13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

Now that shows that the prophets of the OT no longer had the word of God in them. This is verified in many other scriptures, as God cut that old covenant off.

Jer 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. (This is Jesus and his ministers.)

Here God speaks to someone who DOES have his Word in their mouth, and this word is FIRE, which devours that wood, which is that rebellious nation.

Jer 5:15 Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith the LORD: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say. Jer 5:16 Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all mighty men. Jer 5:17 And they shall eat up thine harvest, and thy bread, which thy sons and thy daughters should eat: they shall eat up thy flocks and thine herds: they shall eat up thy vines and thy fig trees: they shall impoverish thy fenced cities, wherein thou trustedst, with the sword. Jer 5:18 Nevertheless in those days, saith the LORD, I will not make a full end with you.

Who is the nation from FAR? Peter said, the promise is unto you, and to all who afar off. It is those Gentiles, in whom his name was great. It is the NT Saints of God, the mighty men. Why are they called an ancient nation? Because they actually began, (Sons of God), back in Genesis. They have traveled all the way down through history, to the very end, = the People of Faith. Why was that evil kingdom unable to understand this mighty nation’s speech? It is because these Saints of God spoke of NT salvation, through Faith, and not the works of the law. So that law nation of rebels, could not understand this ‘new doctrine�?

These mighty men of God, ate up the harvest of that OT group, in that they brought their children into the Grace covenant and put an end to that law covenant. It could no longer be the ‘meat�?for God’s people. They totally destroyed that entire system of serving God by the works of the law. But see that God said he did not make a full end with them. Why? Because many, many of them, came into the truth and were converted to Christianity, therefore, they were not destroyed with the destruction of that old city. Fenced cities means those who were behind or under LAW; it bondage.

Jer 5:19 And it shall come to pass, when ye shall say, Wherefore doeth the LORD our God all these things unto us? then shalt thou answer them, Like as ye have forsaken me, and served strange gods in your land, so shall ye serve strangers in a land that is not yours.

See, because these people had served strange gods, they are now having to serve STRANGERS, the NT Christians, in a land which is not theirs. How is it not theirs? Because it went out into all the world, to all flesh. It went out unto the GENTILES.

Jer 5:20 Declare this in the house of Jacob, and publish it in Judah, saying, Jer 5:21 Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

Isn’t this very thing verified in the NT, by Jesus himself, that that old nation of Israel; Jerusalem, were the ones who had eyes, but see not, and have ears, but hear not? Sure. It proves this is that old nations of Law servers.

Jer 5:22 Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

Jer 5:23 But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone. (This solidly proves that it is that old nation of Jews which was the rebellious. It is the same ones who always followed their father, Adam/Satan.)

Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest. (This refers to those seventy weeks in Daniel.)

Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you. Jer 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men. (This shows that these people continue all the way through time, trying to snare people into their trap, of the bondage of the works of the law.)

Jer 5:27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.

Here he again takes this group on down to the end of the age. A cage full of birds, is mentioned in Revelation. Their houses, (churches), are full of deceit, and they bring people back under the bondage of law, and deny the true Baptism of the Holy Ghost. They become great and wax RICH. This is Laodecia, the last church. So this proves that the old sinful kingdom of Adam, continues all the way to the end of time, into those seven churches.

Jer 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

This shows the present condition of this sinful kingdom, in Laodecia, as they think only of money and do not help the fatherless and widows as God said for them to do. They just prosper and care nothing for the needy. They take from the needy to set up their fat ministers on high.

Jer 5:29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this? Jer 5:30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

See, the end condition of this sinful nation, which began with Adam, in Eden. It now is full of sin. The prophets prophesy falsely, as their ministers preach only lies, to get more money. Their priests, or ministers, bear RULE over the others, when Jesus said, with you it shall NOT BE SO. Yet the people love this sinful condition, which they ‘think�?relieves THEM of having to do the work of God for themselves, as they just PAY some fat minister to prophesy his false doctrine. So, what will ye do in the end thereof?

Shall not God take vengeance on such a NATION AS THIS?

By: Jo Smith ~~ Sept. 28, 2008