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Jo's messages : Matthew 28:19
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From: Flame  (Original Message)Sent: 6/24/2004 4:10 AM
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
Right here is where you can see the ones who have the anointing teaching them; and those who do not. Unless one has a true revelation in the Word of God from the Holy Ghost, he will never see the truth of this matter of baptism and what Jesus was saying here in 28:19.

Name here means authority as was stated. So what Jesus was saying that the authority was given to him by the Father. Jesus had already stated in vs.
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

So what Jesus was saying here that the power which he was given was the power of authority to invoke the name of the Father and that it was given only to him. He said that this power was to be given unto him. In other places in the NT. It states things that were given unto them but here Jesus said it was given unto me.

So Jesus is the ONLY one who has authority to pronounce or invoke the power of the Father by using His name. We are not given that place; nor was the apostles it is only Jesus who is said to be under the Headship of the Father. Only Jesus.

All the rest of us ADAMS are under the Headship of Jesus; that is as high as we can rightly go. We cannot go directly to the Father; we must go through Jesus.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
That is why we must baptize as the Apostles did: in the NAME OF JESUS Christ.

Jesus is not the name of the Father. Jesus is not the name of the Holy Ghost. There is not one shred of evidence in the Word to prove this. Show me one Scripture saying the Holy Ghost was named Jesus.

It was not because Jesus is the name of the Father; neither was it because they thought Jesus was the name of the Holy Ghost. And they most certainly did NOT BELIEVE IN ANY HEATHEN IDOL TRINITY GOD.
So see that there must be a correct answer to this. You cannot call Matt. 28: 19 wrong and you cannot call Acts wrong. So what is the answer?

Purely, that Jesus is the only person directly under the authority or headship of the Father. He is the only one authorized to invoke the Name of the Father. So when we use the Name of the Father's Son, Jesus, it takes us all the way to the very throne of God the Father.
We go to the Father THROUGH HIS SON JESUS.

Jesus is the only one with the authority to invoke the name of the father.
We Baptize in the Name of Jesus for we are under HIS AUTHORITY. HE WAS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HIS FATHER (GOD IS THE HEAD - OR AUTHORITY ) OVER JESUS; THEN JESUS IS OVER US, HIS CHURCH OR BODY.
THAT MEANS WHEN JESUS PRONOUNCED BAPTISM HE SAID IT UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HIS FATHER, THEREFORE HE SAID "BAPTIZE --- IN THE NAME OF MY FATHER, (I AM TELLING YOU


THIS UNDER HIS AUTHORITY) YOU DO IT IN THE NAME OF THE SON (YOU ARE UNDER MY AUTHORITY) AND THE HOLY GHOST ; FOR NOW HE IS OUR RULER.
No priest, no man on earth has the authority or right to invoke (call into action or power) the name of the Father. If you do, you are coming out from under the authority of Jesus and trying to go directly to the Father for yourself; and not go through Jesus. We cannot do that.
We must stay under the authority of Jesus. That is why the Apostles stopped at the name of Jesus -- they did not try to usurp the authority of Jesus and invoke the Name of the Father. No human being has that right.

What about Acts 2: 38? Why would Peter tell all those people wanting to know what to do to be saved to be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins? did not he hear what Jesus had said only about 10 days before to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? Do you think Peter just disregarded this or just made up another way? surely not! After all Jesus had given to Peter the KEYS to the Kingdom.

Now why would Jesus have done this if Peter were going to disobey his first command? To continue to think Peter disobeyed Jesus is to say Jesus did not know what he was doing. Right?

ALSO Mathew was there on the day that Peter preached his great message. Do you not think that he would have not objected to what Peter was saying if he was going against what Jesus said in Math. 28:19.

Our foundation is built upon a rock and that rock is Jesus Christ the only name whereby we must be saved.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

IS YOUR FOUNDATION BUILT UPON THIS ROCK?
HAVE YOU BEEN BAPTIZED IN THE WONDERFUL NAME OF JESUS CHRIST?
IF NOT YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST,
JESUS SAID But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

ARE YOU REFUSING BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS? IF SO YOU ARE DENYING HIM.
BETTER FIND YOU SOMEONE AND GO IN THE WATER AND UNDER THE WATER IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND RECEIVE THE MOST PRECIOUS GIFT OF ALL THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY GOT ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
PRAISE GOD. THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH EVIDENCE HERE IN THIS ABOUT MATH. 28:19 AND EASY FOR ANYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WANTS TRUTH.

I say this is so clearly explained that only those who flat refuse to walk on in the light of God's word, who refuse truth will continue on in their open rebellion to the way the Apostles taught us to baptize.
They hold to this for they think this upholds their idol 'trinity' god.

Well, the God, the True God of the Scriptures did not tell us he is any trinity.
You cannot just make up stuff about God. No human being has any right or authority or ability to EXPLAIN GOD OR HIS WORD. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN KNOW TRUTH IS BY COMPARING SCRIPTURE WITH OTHER SCRIPTURE WHICH EXPLAINS ITSELF.

That is what we have done WITHOUT leaving OUT ANY SCRIPTURE ON BAPTISM. Now let those who oppose what Peter taught, go and do the same thing = explain it using ALL THE VERSES ON BAPTISM.

We know that the word of God must have two or three witnesses for it to be established. Show us scripture what for you are saying about baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. How can you not believe what has been said and the way and only way that the apostles baptized was in the name of Jesus Christ. There is no other name under heaven whererby we must be saved but by the name of Jesus. Show us scripture where it said the apostles baptize using Father, Son AND Holy Ghost.
You really shouldn't trust unto your own understanding and twist the words of the Apostles and of my Saviour.

You must call the Book of Acts a lie to deny this.
WHY DID NOT PETER THE ONE THAT HAD THE KEY GIVEN TO HIM BY JESUS SAY IN ACTS 2:38 AND MANY MORE PLACES SAY BE BAPTIZE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST? WHY DID HE NOT SAY AS YOU SAY BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST? DID HE GO AGAINST WHAT JESUS SAID IN MATH. 28:19? NO NO WAY ? WAS HE NOT ALSO THERE WHEN JESUS SAID WHAT HE DID? TO DENY THIS IS TO CALL THE WORD OF GOD A LIE.

1Cor. 11:3--But I would have you know, that the HEAD (authority) of every man is Christ; and the HEAD (authority)of Christ is God.
Now, the Catholic church usurped the authority of Jesus and told the world it was alright to by pass the word of the apostles and baptize in the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost.
This means by their authority , or headship.

But go back and look at how Paul laid out that headship. He said Christ is the head of EVERY MAN. No man is under the authority, or direct headship of the Father. That is a place only Jesus occupies.
Peter knew this. Paul knew this. and that is why those two men, the two head apostles, baptized in the Name of Jesus. They knew they were NOT under the head of the Father; therefore they did not have the authority to INVOKE the name of the Father.

They stayed in the place Jesus put them into. They stayed under the headship, or authority of Jesus. When they baptized in the Name of Jesus, this was showing that they honoured their head as being Jesus and did not try to usurp His place as being the only one in the place to call the Power of the Father into action.

Why do you think the apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ? Do you not ever consider those Scriptures? Do you wonder why they did not say in the name of the Father and Holy Ghost? do you just over look this?
You know why? It is because the Methodist, the Baptist, the Presbytherians, the Lutherans, etc. are ALL daughters of the whore, the Catholic whore church. So if you still go by their teachings, you are obeying the whore.

No person other than Jesus has the right to invoke, or call into action, or power of the Father by calling His name. That is what it means, to call their name in Baptism. It calls their power into action to remit sins. We can only do this by Jesus; for He is our head.
To try to call the name of the Father, is to try to come out from under the authority of Jesus and go directly to the Father for yourself. It cannot be done. Jesus will fight you.
We are told you can only go to the Father through Jesus; for Jesus is our HEAD.

His name is sufficient. If Jesus himself baptized you He would say in the Name of the Father. He is the only one who can do it. He was telling them in Matt. 28, that by the Authority of the Father he was telling them to Baptize. That is all there is to it. He was not telling them call that when they Baptized, if he had been , they would have done so.
If they will not believe the Apostles, neither would they believe tho one rose from the dead and told them.

No man can explain God nor his word. That is where all the lies and false teachings came from - men trying to explain what they could not understand themselves.
They cannot understand how and why the apostles only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ only - so they picked up on the trinity lies and said they had to say Father and Holy Ghost. They did not get this from the Word. it was handed down from the popes.

If that is how is it to be understood, then Peter, Paul and Philip would have said so. They did not say that. Show me one verse where Peter or Paul baptized in the name of the father son holy ghost Show me those words in the Word of God! Know what --- You cannot. For it is not in there. Therefore it is NOT GOD'S WORD. IT IS A LIE.

How many say baptize in the Name of the Father, Son , and Holy Ghost? Just one. And you do not understand that one.
Now if two are not written it is not established as truth. Jesus Name Baptism is written more than the most needed, three. So where are you? Out in the darkness of the carnal mind.


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From: FlameSent: 2/16/2005 2:37 AM