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From: Flame  (Original Message)Sent: 2/10/2004 11:34 PM

WOMEN IN CHRIST

I think this a very important subject that the men and women of to-day needs to study and see what is the role of the woman in CHRIST in the NT. We know in the Old Testament that the woman could not teach or speak she was to remain silent.

Now don’t go and get mad and upset at me what I am fixing to say. Just look at this and study this out. I will with the help of the word try to prove to you that in the NT the woman has the same privileges as the man. Under the OT law she could not have the same privileges as a man she was bound by that law.

That is what is happening to-day. Men have bound the woman to that law and women, you have allowed it to happen.

You are going to be very shocked and most of you will resist the truth of this message .Till God opens your heart you will not believe what you are fixing to read and I pray that many people, men and women see the truth. That to go by the words that a woman cannot teach in the church is also tied to the law and I will prove it by this message. Every time Paul spoke of the woman not teaching he tied it to the law and I will show you that in Jesus Christ you have been set free from that law.

By this message I will prove that a woman can teach, preach, or pastor in the NT. I will show you where she was freed from that law. Men if you continue to hold that law over her head is to keep her from being freed from sin and the law and freed in Jesus Christ. In Jesus Christ there is neither male or female but we are one.

Let’s go to-John-8:31-36 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 8:32- And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

8:33 -They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?[ See they were talking about a different kind of freedom from what Jesus was speaking of]. They said we are Abraham’s seed. There is a teaching of error to-day going around that says the serpent has a seed in this land. A physical seed different from the man or woman seed. There are only two seeds to-day that are counted, Jesus and Satan’s. I am going to show you by the word of God the serpent is Adam. In the flesh the woman’s seed represents Jesus�?kingdom and the serpent represents man’s kingdom.

So every righteousness person was of the woman’s seed. Every sinner that remains a sinner, unrighteousness, was the serpent or man’s seed.

8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

8:35-And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

8:36 -If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

[Now remember that verse, because before this study is over I am going to show you that to put any bondage on a Christian’s neck, male or female, is to hold them there that Jesus has not made him or her free. They are still a servant to sin. So if you bind a woman down with that scripture that she cannot teach you put a yoke on her neck that Jesus has freed her from.]

I shall prove it to you and show you why Paul said what he did in 1Tim and Cor. So don’t jump up and get mad at me because you don’t believe what you have read already. Read it with a open heart as you should with all the messages. Study the scriptures, then if in them you can disprove what I am saying I guarantee you I will have an open heart and mind.

Let me show you the meaning of the word Adam in the Strong’s Concordance.-Adam means to show blood in the face, to be dyed or made red, ruddy, it means a human being or mankind in general, a hypocrite, a low mean man, a person of low degree.

Ok let’s see the meaning of serpent -means a devil, to hiss or as the same as to whisper a magic spell, divine, and enchanter.

Now from this we know what happened to Eve. This devil, this enchanter, the serpent, this mean low man, this carnal mind, this man that God had created. was whispering enchantments to Eve and was deceiving her mind. Then when God came and reckoned with them he blamed her. Through his subtlety he blamed her and all the way down to to-day people are still blaming her. But when God asked her what happened she said the serpent beguiled me. That is what the scripture is showing that it was a mean low person.

The word Eve means- life giver, the first woman ,to live, to lead or make alive, to be made whole. Adam said she was the mother of all living . In the NT, the New Jerusalem the heavenly Jerusalem which is above is the mother of us all linking her with that holy city. Now that is the ground work from which this message will be taught.

Now to Rom.-16:1-3-I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

16:2 -That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

16:3 -Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus.

The name- Phebe-means- to make manifest, fire or light. The reason I am showing you that I will show you by scripture and the Greek concordance that Phebe was a pastor of a church.

The word yoke in Acts 15 in the Greek means- servitude, a law or obligation which is the opposite of freedom. I will show you that any commandment put on a person’s life after the NT is a yoke. So what you are doing is bringing the person that Jesus made free back into servitude again to put a commandment on their life.

Gen.-1:27-31- God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

See there was no law in chapter one there and they were on equal grounds. The woman was not told she was under the servitude of a man there and neither were they told they were under any commandment of what they could do or eat.

Gen.2:8- 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed

2:16- And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

2:17 -But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the carnal mind; and the tree of life is the spiritual mind. Choose this day life or death meaning whether you will obey God or disobey God. So when Adam rebelled against God and decided that he wanted to be God, that’s where the serpent came in. Both minds were in the same person. When God is speaking to Adam he is speaking to the spirit man he created in the beginning.

When he is talking to the serpent he is talking to the carnal disobedient person. This is the same as he was doing to Peter when he said Blessed art there Peter for thy has received a revelation from God. Then he turned right around and said get thee behind me Satan; you are an offence to me -to the same person. Clear cut proof of what God was doing in the garden of Eden speaking to Adam then to the serpent.

Jesus spoke to Peter then to the devil in the same person.

That ought to show anybody the truth. That ought to be clear cut positive proof that when God was talking to Adam he was talking to the one that he called his son. When he is talking to the serpent he is talking to the disobedient, the serpent devil in that person showing that it was the mind that he was in.

Gen.-3:12-13- This is after that God found them amongst the trees of the garden and he asked Adam where they were ? He said I was naked and afraid and hid myself and God said who told you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree that I commanded thee not to eat? And the man said the woman that thou gave me she gave me of the tree and I did eat.

We see from this that he is doing what is said in Job 31:33 where he hid his sin in his bosom in other words he lied about it.

The word naked in Gen 2:25 means- nude but used only in a bad sense, to be cunning, to be aware, to be very crafty, to deal subtly. So this nakedness had to do with the serpent’s mind. It is not saying that they were naked physical wise. When it said that he was naked does not mean that he was without clothes. He knew now that he had this subtle mind to be crafty and to be cunning, and to deal subtly,

So you see right there is the serpent. Look up the word serpent and it means the same thing.

Now later on when God put the coats of skin on them everybody has always had this backward because they did not look up these words and did not know the meanings to them. The church say they were naked physically and that God put cloths on them by killing a sheep and getting his skin and making a coat and putting on them.

Look up the word skin it means to be made naked. So you see it is right backwards from what you think to put skin on them they were made naked. Not clothed as you would think, God made them naked physically. When he put the coats of skin on them he made them naked because he put this mortal flesh on them that we are now in.

Before this they were the glorious cherubim over in Eze. 28. If you read this you will see the description of Adam in his garden state before they sinned. You can see the beautiful son of God that God made rich and spoiled. And as a result of this and all the beauty he had he became rotten, lifted up with pride.

This is opposite of when he brought Jesus on the scene. He brought him to the earth poor and in humility. He was raised in a poor condition and he served God faithfully always. He never became rotten and disobedient. So when God put the skin on them he changed that glorious beauty that they had with him in the garden of Eden and put this mortal flesh on them that we now have and they were in the image of sinful man.

They were no longer in the image of God. They lost that glory. Same thing that is happening to the Laodicean church of to-day they have become rich and naked and they have lost all the glory of God.

Back to Gen.-3:12-13- And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat,

You see in vs.12 that the man blamed the woman the same thing Job said he hid his sins in his bosom and he also blamed God he said the woman that thou gavest me.

In vs. 13- we see the woman blaming the man Adam but later on she repented because she was the one looking for Christ. When she said God has given me another seed in place of Able whom Cain slew. From this we see her seed to be of the righteous line and when Able was killed she became upset because God had promised her that her seed would bruise the head of that serpent and it would make her free. She wanted to be free.

So when he killed Able she was afraid that righteous line was gone and that she would not have that freedom that God had promised her. When she birthed Seth she claimed him for her seed. He was a righteous person.

The seed of the man is the wicked that never repents. The seed of the woman is the righteous people. That is why Jesus came to earth made under law to redeem them that were under the law made of a woman. Because her seed is the righteous seed. The man’s seed is the serpent’s seed the wicked seed.

Gen.-3:14- And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: [In other words he would be carnal for life never having the spiritual things again. He spoke to that carnal mind and cursed it forever to death. That’s why Paul said to be carnal mind is death. To be carnal minded is an enmity against God.GEN. 3:15- And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, [the enmity is always been and still is between the man and the woman]

and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. There was that promise that Eve was looking for that righteousness seed.

You can see proof of this when Isaac and Rebecca had Esau and Jacob. Rebecca claimed Jacob to be her son Isaac claimed Esau.

Now why was this? It wasn’t their carnal minds; it wasn’t her as a fleshly woman denying her son Esau. It was that she was speaking spiritual revelation when that was named and she knew that the righteous seed was counted for the woman’s seed so she kept that going. Even though Isaac himself was a righteous person he too knew that revelation and claimed Esau for his son.

Because he knew that the wicked was counted as the man’s seed, the serpent seed. So this was proven all down the line. Then Jesus came on this earth born of woman proving it. Proving it all the way down to the end of the world where the tree of life is called a female.

Not only in the book of Proverbs but also in the book of Revelation the tree of life is a female.

Gen.-3:16- Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. That was the first time that man was made to rule over the woman because she had listened to him and let him deceive her.

So God said that she was under that bondage. They stayed under that bondage until Jesus came and set them free. That is one reason Eve was so upset about Cain killing Abel. She was so thrilled when she had another righteous seed. She knew without that righteous line that redeemer that was promised to her in the garden of Eden could not come forth and redeem her from that curse and set her free from that bondage.

This may seem to you a twisted way to go to prove what I want to prove. That a woman can teach and preach that the woman can do these things. If you say she cannot you are still under the law that she was under at one time.

In Gal. It shows that if you go back to the law at any point you are guilty to do it all and therefore you fall from grace and Jesus is of no effect unto you and you will actually loose your soul. So I hope you see how important this is.

Job-1- This is a way to prove to you that Adam and Satan are the same one. Not only Adam but his seed after him are the wicked one. There are more devils than one.

Job-1:6- Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Why would Satan be there on a day that God had set aside for his sons to come and visit him? Why would Satan be there if he was not one of those sons?

Job-1:7- And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job-2:1- Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. See he was doing the same thing the others were doing so he himself had to be a son of God.

Job-2:-2-And the LORD said unto Satan, [now he didn’t say why are you here I got my sons here] From whence comest thou? Why would God ask him this twice? I will show you why he asked him twice because in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word is established. God wanted to show the people some day that will take the time to study that this is Satan. That this is Adam and the spirit of Cain.

And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Now look up the word Cain in the Hebrews in the Strong’s Concordance that word means-to chant, or wail at a funeral, a mourning woman. In other words showing that he had fallen down to the state of being a servant . A servant of sin and he was in death and mourning forever because he lost the glory that he had before he became a sinner.

He lost that glory; remember he said my punishment is more than I can bear. Now what was his punishment besides putting that mark upon him?

Gen.-4:14- He said and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth;

Gen.-4:16- And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden

Being a vagabond was part of the punishment. Look up vagabond in the Strong’s and it means to wander, to flee, to disappear and it also means nod. So we see why he went down to the land of Nod that was Cain’s land.

The word fugitive means- to make to go up and down, to be gone away, to make to go to and fro, and to make to wander up and down.

Now you see why God asked him where he came from. Where did he say he came from? Both times he said he said from going to and fro and walking up and down in the earth. A fugitive and a vagabond made to go to and fro, to wander from here to there, made to walk up and down. That’s why Satan is always running to and fro . The word said he runs to and fro and this shows he walks up and down. That identifies him as the Cain spirit that came from Adam into Cain.

Job-31:33- If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom: same thing he said over there when he blamed Eve that means that he hid his sins in his bosom. That means to hide secretly according to the Strong’s Concordance. Now I will start showing a little bit on the woman’s ability to do things in the word that might think she has.

Isaiah-27:10-11-Yet the defenced city shall be desolate, and the habitation forsaken, and left like a wilderness: there shall the calf feed, and there shall he lie down, and consume the branches thereof.

27:11 -When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: [remember where he said if you don’t abide in the vine and bring forth fruit that he will prune you off and cast you out and burn you as a branch in a fire talking about the judgment ministry] The women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: speaking of these broken of boughs.

Therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour. [talking about these branches that he broke off he piled them up and said women came and set them on fire. That is the judgment ministry. Both women and men will be in this. You can see some of this in Rev-9:8 where it shows those locusts going out that they had a face like a man and hair like a woman that shows both men and women in the judgment ministry.

Jer.-9:17-21- Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Consider ye, and call for the mourning women, that they may come; and send for cunning women, that they may come:

9:18 And let them make haste, and take up a wailing for us, that our eyes may run down with tears, and our eyelids gush out with waters.

9:19 For a voice of wailing is heard out of Zion, How are we spoiled! we are greatly confounded, because we have forsaken the land, because our dwellings have cast us out.

9:20 Yet hear the word of the LORD, O ye women, and let your ear receive the word of his mouth, and teach your daughters wailing, and every one her neighbor lamentation.

9:21 For death is come up into our windows, and is entered into our palaces, to cut off the children from without, and the young men from the streets. Who did he call for to come and let their ear receive the word of his mouth? The women. he said for the women to hear the word of the Lord let their ear receive the word of his mouth. So you see God is talking to the women and whether you like it or not I have to go by the word.

Math.-28:1-10- This is after the resurrection- If you will put all 4 gospels together and read the accounts of the events you will see that John and Peter had run to the tomb and stooped down looked in and saw nothing and walked away.

Immediately Mary went looked in saw an angel. The angel talked to her and told her that Jesus had been resurrected. Peter and John had just walked away but the angel appeared unto Mary. That angel and Jesus both knew that they had walked away but they waited and appeared to a woman.

They commissioned her to go tell his disciples. Some say this is where Jesus changed the yoke of bondage and the curse she was under. Could have been but I see it happening before then but I will show you where I see God removing her from the curse later. You see I don’t see Jesus moving a curse that God had put on her. I see God having to do that himself.

Now don’t go get in uproar about this I will explain what I see later on. Maybe this is the place where the curse was removed or maybe not but anyway the curse that was placed on the woman has been removed.

Here is where he commissioned her to go tell the gospel but I believe the curse had already been moved.

Math.-28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulcher with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

28:10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Now here is where I see the curse being removed.

Luke-1:26-35- And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Ok allow me to go back and explain these words I have underlined.

This will take a lot of time and some hard work to do but if this helps even one person it will be worth it all to me and I also know God will bless me for the effort I have put into this. Praise the Lord and to him be all the glory.



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From: FlameSent: 2/10/2004 11:53 PM
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The word favored or favor means the followings- [ friendly regard showed toward another person esp. by a superior-it also means to approve, choose, to show mercy, recover. Then I looked up the word recover to see what it meant and it meant the following-to get back again, to reclaim which means to restore, to recall from wrong conduct, to change from undesirable to a desired condition.

See she was approved of God and changed from undesirable to a desired condition and God showed mercy on her and restored her back to the original state and reclaimed what she was at the beginning a help meet.

The word blessed means -to speak well of, praise, to be made holy. From this we see that she was no longer a cursed seed but a holy seed. See she had to be changed because a curse see can not bring forth a holy seed and that’s what he said that she was to do. He said that which is borned of you shall be holy and shall be called the Son of God.

The word trouble means- to be disturb, to worry.

She began to worry and to be disturbed about this because she had always been taught that nothing holy could come from a woman because she was still under that curse. The same thing is happing in this day and time. Most everybody especially the church are keeping her under the bondage that God has set her free from.

If you remember I said that it was God that set her free go back to vs.30-He told Mary fear not, for thou hast found favor with God. Clear cut evidence that it was God that set her free from this bondage and who God set free is free indeed .So you see women you are no longer under that curse you are free indeed.

Let me show you something here why this curse had to be removed from her before Jesus comes on the scene.

Math.- 7:16-20- 007:016 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

007:017 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

007:018 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

007:019 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

007:020 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So we see from this that God had to remove the curse that he had placed on the woman before she could bring forth a good seed. He said in the above vs. that a corrupt seed could not bring forth a righteous seed.

The word overshadow means-to illuminate, to supply with spiritual or intellectual light- to exceed in importance, and also means to surpass which means-to exceed , to be or become superior to, worthy to be reverenced. More on this later.

ARE YOU STILL WITH ME I HOPE SO


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From: FlameSent: 2/10/2004 11:55 PM
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LUKE-1:45-53- 001:045 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

001:046 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

001:047 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

001:048 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

001:049 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

001:050 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

001:051 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 001:052 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.

001:053 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away

VS.-48-He has regarded- means he showed her respect or to hold her in high esteem

Low estate-means she was in a humble or unfavorable position

She was in a position that she could be mighty used of God because she had become humble before God.

Luke-18:14- I tell you, this [woman] went down to [her] house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and [she] that humbleth [herself] shall be exalted.

Now don’t go get upset and say I am changing scriptures to say what I want them to say. All I am trying to do is to show that the woman was in a humble state and by doing this she touched the heart of God and he exalted her. In other words he raised her up from that low estate she was in.

Exalt-means to raise up esp. in rank, power or dignity. She was found to be worthy

Handmaiden-means to be a servant. He exalted her so she is no longer a servant but now she is a daughter.

From henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Who was he referring to here? Was it Mary? No he was referring to his handmaidens. You see what he did for Mary he did for all you women. He removed that yoke of bondage or that so called curse.

See God is no respecter or person. What he does for one he will do for all. Praise the Lord


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From: FlameSent: 2/10/2004 11:57 PM
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Ok back to Luke 1:48-from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Now all of you that says the woman is still under the curse of that law what are you going to do with this scripture? Tell me how she can be cursed and blessed at the same time.

It said that he blessed her which means to respect, sanctify, praise. That does not look like any curse seed to me looks to me like a holy seed.

Vs.-50- And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.[ see she found mercy which means to show compassion to victims of misfortune and it also shows forgiveness. To me this also shows that Eve repented and found forgiveness because the word said his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. We know that she feared him because the word said in Gen.3:8-and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And it goes on and said they were afraid]

So to me it shows that Eve found forgiveness in the eyes of the Lord but man is still trying to keep her under that curse.Ok I know what you are thinking if Eve found forgiveness so did Adam. I don’t think so but right now I don’t want to deal with that.

He said his mercy on them that fear him [the them he was referring to was his handmaidens not Adam unless he was a handmaid]

Vs.-51- He hath shewed strength with his arm;[ in other words this woman was to his arm to bring forth and birth a man child which was Jesus who was to be his right hand. In other words she was to be his help meet.]

ISAIAH-40:10-11- Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

040:011 -He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

Who was he talking about here when he said his arm will rule for him? It had to be the woman because he said that they were with young.

Back to vs.-51- he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. [proud here means appearing above others] tell me men who does this sound like? Don’t have an answer? Or don’t want to answer? Well I will answer for you being a man myself I am capable to answer this question. I say the proud that he scattered is the man and he scattered them just like he did over in Gen.

Gen.-11:4- And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

1 Peter-5:5-6-Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

005:006 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time

See men we have always been the proud and the mighty and I will show you in the following scripture. So you see what we have to do we have to fall down on our knees and humble ourselves before God and ask for forgiveness and quit treating the women like a dog and let show them some respect and women you allow us to do this thing and let’s all be subject to one another.

Men I know that it is going to be hard for you to swallow your pride because I have been in your shoes and have walked your walk. I did as Paul I persecuted the woman where he persecuted the church and did not think she could teach or any of these other things that she is not allowed to do in the church. I have not always had the revelation that I have now about the woman. I also had to eat crow and swallow my pride which was hard to do me being taught in the church the way I was. But when God opens your understanding to something you have to humble yourselves before him.

Luke-1:52- He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.

Mighty means-strong and powerful, stout, husky, huge, big and muscular. Men can you guess who fits this description? I said above that I would prove who the mighty was. If the description I just gave does not prove that the mighty is the man let me try again.

Jeremiah-31-22- How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.[ see what was happening over in Luke with Mary the LORD was ushering in a new move of God. The word compass hear means to lead. The word man here means mighty. Need I Say anymore about

who the mighty is? I think not.

The last of vs.-52 and also vs.-53- and exalted them of low degree.

001:053 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

This is saying that this low degree is when Jesus said that he would put down the high and raise up the low and what we just saw in Jer. that a woman would compass a man this is what this is speaking of. That God would lift them up and let them lead.

VS.-53- He hath filled the hungry with good things; [tell me who has always been hungry and starving for the good things of God? No let me tell you. The Woman.

and the rich he hath sent empty away. I guess you know by now who the rich is and being sent away empty handed. The MAN

Psalms-107:9- For he satisfieth the longing soul, and filleth the hungry soul with goodness.

Psalms-107:8-Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

Psalms-107:21-22- Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

107:022 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing


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Luke-2:36-38- And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

002:037 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

002:038 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem

Now I hope you see that she had to have a great revelation from God. To look upon a eight day old baby and recognize him as the promise Messiah. Only a revelation from God could have shown that to anyone and you see she was a prophetess. You can look back in the O.T. scriptures and see in so many places where God used women.

Luke-5:5-9- And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy word I will let down the net.

005:006 And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net brake.

005:007 And they beckoned unto their partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships, so that they began to sink

. 005:008 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

005:009 For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the draught of the fishes which they had taken

Ok I know you are wondering what fishing has to do with a Woman in Christ just hang on and I will show you.

Now when that net broke symbolizing that the old covenant was not good enough. That the O.T. could not do the job there were a lots of people brought in thro the old covenant but it could not forgive them of their sins. So that net broke showing the O.T. and we see Peter saying depart from me for I am a sinful man which under that old covenant there was no forgiveness of sin. Let’s go to Isaiah and let me show you why Peter was saying this.

Isaiah- 6:5-Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.[ see what Peter was saying he had seen the N.T. way that old way was unclean and he could no longer dwell in it because he had seen the Lord.

John-21:6- And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes

John-21:11- Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.[ this is showing the N.T. covenant that it will always stand and it will never be broken as that net was and as that O.T. and was also showing that he was going to bring in a new thing when he would release the woman from the curse that you say that she is under.

Luke-5:36-39-And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.

005:037 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

005:038 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.

005:039 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

See speaking of the same thing you desire to be under that old law for you say the old is better when Peter said it was a sin. You are stilled bound by that law that says a woman should remain silent that it is not permitted for her to speak in the church. You are still clinging to that law that Jesus has set you free from as they were still clinging to that law of Moses.

Get out from under this bondage and see that the new wine will go to the new bottles of those of us that will come to grace and receive a new move of God. You women get out from under that bondage and let God fill you with his word and get out and teach or preach his word to his sheep. There are people out there that is hungry for the truth of Gods word and they are in bondage to sin and here you sit under the same bondage. Bound to that law.

Acts-9:36- Now there was at Joppa a certain disciple named Tabitha, which by interpretation is called Dorcas: this woman was full of good works and almsdeeds which she did [ the word disciple here means a student and also studying for the purpose of becoming a teacher.

Acts-10:9-16- On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

010:010 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

010:011 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

010:012 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

010:013 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

010:014 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

010:015 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

010:016 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

See this was done three times for he said in the mouth of two or three witnesses my word shall be established. The reason this happened is showing that everyone that was in bondage was released from that bondage.

The Gentile people that was considered not a people were brought in. The women in the O.T. that had to stand on the outside in the outer courts and could not go in to the inner sanctuary where the men worshipped.

They were released from that and from that law that said they were not permitted to speak and that the man shall rule over thee. If you go back to that you are still under that same bondage that they were under.

Jesus said whom the son has set free is free in deed. Meaning men and women. If you women are not free and help teach God’s word then you are still in bondage to that law.

Acts-18:24-26-And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

018:025 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

018:026 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. [notice that it said they in others words both of them explained the word to him. She helped to expound the word of God more perfectly. They also had a church in their house


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Romans- 8:15- For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [ he is not just talking to men he is talking to the women to all Christians. We did not receive a spirit of bondage again. I will show that a command not to speak in a church is a yoke of bondage put on the woman. It goes back to law that God has delivered them from. Look at message 7 of this post where the woman was set free of this curse.]

Romans-8:16- The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

008:017 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.[ he is talking to all Christians not just men Christians. If the men did so did the women. If you are sons and daughters you are no longer a servant. If you are no longer a servant you are no longer in bondage and no longer under any command. You are free and who the son set free is free indeed.]

Now here comes the one that is going to take a lot of doing to show you. You will have to look up this in the Strong’s to see that Phoebe was a pastor of a church at Cen’chre-a

Romans- 16:1- I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea [now let’s look up the word commend in the Strong’s. It means to entrust for care for preservation -recommend, to praise, to stand with, approved and sanction.

So from this we see that Paul was saying I entrust her to you for your care and preservation, I recommend her and I will stand by her and I approve and sanction her. I praise her and recommend her to you.

Now let me show you something peculiar here-the word servant here means something different than all the other meaning in the Strong’s. They mean to be like a bond servant but here means a teacher or a pastor. So this is saying that Phebe was the pastor of that church.

Romans- 16:2- That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Something else peculiar here the word assist this is the only place in the bible that you can find the word assist. That they help her with anything that she had need of.

The word succourer means to stand before-[in other words she was standing before these people in rank]-to preside or to practice- [ she was presiding over them she was practicing what she had learned from Paul.] it also means to rule[ so she was ruling in the spirit of the Lord]It also means- fore, same as in front of, prior, superior to, above, before. [ from this we see she was superior to other people in the work of the Lord and that she was in front of them. It also means to stand, to abide, to appoint, establish, to hold up, present, stand by.[ so this is saying that she was all these things. She was helping people, abiding by people, establishing people, appointing people, holding them up, standing by them. Paul said she not only did this for them but also for him to.]

To see this you are going to have to study these words out in the Greek of the Strong’s.

More meanings- From the Greek 4254 -to lead forward [magisterially]; to precede, to bring [forth, out] to go before, in place of.

Ok now it also shows that it is opposite of a word that is in 2476 and 5087 which refers to Phebe. The word that refers to Phebe in 2476- shows to be up right in an active position which it said it was opposite of 5087. Which it said denotes a passive prostate and horizontal position[ in other words laying down. It is the same thing as to bow, to commit, to give, to kneel down, settle, to sink down. So it was saying that the word referring to Phebe what meant in an up right active position is opposite of this word which was in a horizontal position.

Which shows she was not down under anything . This shows that she was not put under anybody that she was in the upright active position in that church. That shows that she was not bowed or kneel downed, sink downed under anybody. She was not in a prostate or horizontal position or passive position.

A woman sitting in a church not being able to speak would be in the most passive horizontal position that she could get in. She would be bowed down to the lowest place you could get. She certainly was not that. Look it up 2476 refers to Phebe and it says it is opposite of 5087 which shows the horizontal passive position. So Paul went to two points there to show that Phebe was the active person there. No woman sitting in a church commanded not to teach could be in the active upright position the ruler. It said she was not in that horizontal passive position. She was not in a low position. This goes along what I said about he has exalted those of low degree.

Paul here certainly was commending Phebe she could not have been under no rule that she could not speak in no church and all that be said of her.

Rom.-16:3- Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:[ a man and a woman working together]

016:004 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.016:005 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ. [see they had church in their house]

016:006 Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.

The word helpers in 16:3-a co-laborer, coadjutor which means companion in labor, fellow helper, labourer together with. Coadjutor tis feminine. So they were helping in the ministry. I know they worked together as tent makers but here he said that they were working in Christ Jesus. That does not refer to their physical labor but to their spiritual labor.

1 Cor.-14: 34-35- Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. [ that goes back to the garden of Eden and I will bring more of this out in my message on The Trees in the Garden. Command means law and he said also saith the law. It has been shown all over this board where scripture after scripture where Jesus did away with the law. We are no longer under any law. Jesus did away with those old O.T. laws.]

If Jesus has done away with this law men why put the woman back under that yoke of bondage?

014:035 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [ this was a carnal church still under law. That was the only reason they said that they were not in grace.

014:036 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [ see what Paul was doing he was asking them the question when he said what came the word of God out from you. Paul was asking them is this only become known to you and not to them? What Paul was stating here that the word also came to the women.

014:037 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [ why did not say the things that Moses has written unto you instead of the things I have written unto you. Because those laws and commandments were no longer in force and they were no longer valid.

The word acknowledge means - to recognize the authority or rights of- to admit as true to recognize as valid

What Paul was saying is look that law has been done away with in Christ and it is no longer valid in the NT. You need to recognize that the words that I have written unto you have become the commandments of God and that I have the authority and rights to write what I have written and that the law has been done away with. The woman is free from the bondage that man put her under in the beginning.

1 Tim.-2:11-15- Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [once again going back to the Garden of Eden law.]

002:012 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

002:013 For [why now he is going to tell you why he said this] Adam was first formed, then Eve. [ see he took it right back to the Garden of Eve]

002:014 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [ she let him deceive her therefore God made him to have rule over her because she listened to him in the first place instead of God. If she had not listened to Adam if she had stood true to God she would have not have been put in that place. Only Adam would have been. But because she listened to him she was put under this command to obey the man. But Jesus came and set her free. This is talking to churches that are still under the law even tho it is written in the NT.

You see the reason it said she could not do this was because of this thing with Adam and Eve. So if you hold to this law and this word you are still under the law that Jesus set you free from. If the woman is still under that law that they can’t speak and are to remain silent in the church and they are still under that thing with Adam then they will never have salvation. Paul said that in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female.

If you get baptized into Christ and put on Christ you are just much of God that the man is. God can use the woman just as much as he can the man and probably more so.

Gal.- 3:10-14- For as many as are of the works of the law [ now that was a law a command that she could not talk so if you are under that look what it said, You are under the curse that was in the garden of Eden] are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So if you put the woman under that law then she has got to keep that whole law. She has got to go back to the blood of bulls and goats and deny the blood of Jesus.

003:011 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

003:012 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

003:013 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. [ see he redeemed us from that law. Us means all male or female.]

Gal.-3:23-24- But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

003:024 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[ So if you put the woman back under the law and command that she is not to speak in the church or teach, then she is still under the schoolmaster she has never come to Christ.]

003:025 -But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster[ so if she has faith she is no longer under the law. She is able to speak, teach or do anything that these churches says she cannot do. She can do like Phebe and other women that was in the church.

003:026 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 003:027 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

003:028 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [one means we all are equal. On equal grounds as they were in the first chapter of Gen. We are all one in Christ Jesus.]

003:029 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

Philippians-4:3-And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.[ see Paul said they had laboured with him in the gospel. Laboured here means- in unity to seek jointly. That means they were not just helping they were working in the gospel on equal grounds with Paul.]

Gal.-4:30- Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman

The word freewoman means- freedom, liberty, unrestraint, to go at pleasure, the same as a citizen not a slave, released from slavery. So we see from this that if you don’t set the woman free that you have got her under slavery and that she is still under the law. If she has been freed she is called a freewoman and she is no longer under that bondage that man put her under in the beginning.

Which means the same thing as- But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [if you are free borned you are no longer considered a servent, you are no longer considered a slave, you are free in Christ. If you are not free to do the same things in the church that the man does then you have no freedom.

Gal.-5:1- Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.[ so if you tell the woman that she cannot do these things in the church you are putting that yoke of bondage around her neck again.]

So in closing this post and I know a lots of you are glad of that. Let me say unto you men or women that thinks the woman is to keep silent in the church and not to speak. I asked you why do you let them sing, testify, pray, speak in tongues, interpret, or matter of fact why even let them come into the courts where you are. The law stated that they were to be in the outer courts. If you are going to keep part of the law the bible said you better keep it all.

There has been much study on this subject and long hours put in this not only by myself but Joie also. Thanks and God Bless. Amen

 


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