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From: Flame  (Original Message)Sent: 2/17/2004 12:10 PM

~~ The True Foundation~~

This is the most important message you will ever hear. You will see why if you carefully study it. I want to say to you---study the Word---not to prove a point, but to see what the Word really says. The only way to know (or prove) something is to find another Scripture that explains the one you are studying. You cannot find explanations of God’s Word anywhere else--except in the Word, itself.

If you learn all the prophecies, know all the mysteries, and could quote all the Word, yet, you are not on the right foundation; it will not do you any good in the end. Jesus said unless your house is on the rock foundation, it will fall, when the storms come. So, I am going to show you what the Word says the right foundation is.

Matt.16:13-19---Jesus asked his disciples, “whom do you say that I am�? Peter said, thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered, blessed art thou Simon, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.�?/P>

Notice, He never said Jesus was ‘God�? he said he was the SON OF GOD. The church is built on that revelation; that is the rock, the fact that Jesus is God’s Son, not that Jesus is God. He also must KNOW you by placing His Spirit, the Holy Ghost into you. Unless He knows you and calls you by name, you are not his.

Every church teaches that Jesus is God. Some say he is the only one. Others say he is the second person in a god-head. But, the Scripture does not say either one. You have to go by exactly what the Word says. After all, this is God telling us what he wants us to know about himself. No man on earth knows anything about God, except what he says.

This is a long study. I will not be able to say it all on one post. But, will say enough to let you see how to study this.

John 4:21-26-- v24---God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Numb.23:19--God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent;....

See, it said God is NOT a man. Also said he is not the son of man. So, how could he be Jesus? Jesus was both a man and the son of man.

Luke 24:38-44----And he said unto them. Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Then he ate before them, showing he was still flesh, after the resurrection.

John 1:18---No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Ex.33:20---And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

1Tim. 6:15,16----Which in his times he shall shew who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords: Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath see, nor can see: to whom be honour and power ever-lasting.

See, no man hath ever seen the Father, which light Jesus dwells in. Not even Paul.

Read the whole chapter of John 17. V3---And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

v12---While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name:-----He is talking to his Father, said he did this by the authority of the Father---that is what --in thy name----means.

Esp,v20-23----Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one: and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Now, does that sound like Jesus is talking to himself?

See, he prayed that we all may be ONE- ONE- ONE- AS THEY ARE ONE.

Gal. 3:26-29----For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew Nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus . And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

See, Jesus�?prayer was answered. We are all one, as he and his Father are one.

Rom.1:1-4--v3--Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the SON OF GOD with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

Here we are told that the day Jesus came forth as the begotten Son of God in his image was the day of the resurrection. Also, told that he came here as flesh, from the seed of David. = A man, the son of man, which God is not either one.

Acts 13:33---God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Psm.2:7---I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son: this day have I begotten thee.

11Cor. 5:19---To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;.... This plainly states that God was in Christ, not that God was Christ.

GOD IS JESUS�?God.

Matt. 27:46--My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Matt.26:39--O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Now, this plainly shows that two different wills are involved here.

John 5:19-47--v19-The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do

v22--Father judgeth no man--but hath committed all judgment into the Son

v26----For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; See, this was a gift from the Father to the Son.

v31---If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is ANOTHER that beareth witness of me; and I know that his witness is true.

v37--And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (Jesus standing there talking to them, said they had never seen God, nor heard his voice.) God was in him, as they are in us--does not make us be them--did not make Jesus to be God.)

Heb.1--read all of it. v3--shows Jesus was the express image of God’s person, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

v9--Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even they God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Here God, calls himself God to Jesus, calls him God. This is where he inherited the name above all names, he was anointed or elevated to be our God. Not making him the Father; but, sharing that place of power-- the power given him by God after the resurrection.

1Cor.15:22-28-- v24-- Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power,

v28--And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. This shows that for eternity Jesus will be subject to God the Father.

John 14:28--My Father is GREATER than I.

John 8:16-18--Two bears witness--Son & Father

John 14:6-11--Only means God was in Christ--everything he did showed the Father--”I came to reveal the Father, so, from me only, can you know him--you see him in me--as the world should see Jesus in us.

1Jn.4:12--No man hath seen God at any time.

1Jn.2:22--He is anti-Christ to deny the Father and the Son--this means to deny them as two separate beings.

1Jn.4:14--Confess that Jesus is the Son of God--did not say confess that he is God.

1JN.5:9-13--To not believe Jesus is God’s Son, is to call God himself a liar.

This is only a small portion of the Word proving that Jesus was a mortal man and not God. There is much more in the Word. But this is a good starting place to find the truth.

The most compelling fact is that Jesus died. God cannot die. If you call God a mortal man you have a reprobate mind. Romans one. If you deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, you are anti-Christ. To say that He was God is to deny that he was human flesh. No Scripture says that he was BOTH God and Man. You will not find that in the Holy Book. He did his mighty works same way Paul did, by FAITH in God.

 

 



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From: MSN Nickname·SpiritwalkerSent: 2/18/2004 6:10 AM
I have just printed this one out for reading in my quite place.  I know it is a good study.
I have learned with my printer to set it to "landscape" and double sided printing.  I just finished printing "There Must Be War".  To print this way, none of the right edge words are chopped off.  Took me long enough to figure that out.
Thank you Joie for taking the time to post these messages.
Love,
Spiritwalker

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From: FlameSent: 2/16/2005 2:57 AM