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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 9/28/2008 9:35 PM

p.s. I would not even bother to answer to this mess if bill were not perverting the Scriptures here, trying to make me look like an evil liar. I say he and those other two false teachers are the liars. I certainly will not stoop to answer to those two wicked folks anymore. I will not give them anymore occasion, by me, to continue to blaspheme the things of God and I will certainly not respond to the filthy mouth of that one sky posted for. No Christian thinks in such an ungodly manner. So it proves, to ME, that neither of those two liars belong to the Holy God.

~~ Being Born Again ~~

Well, let’s just see. The Word of God said to prove all things and hold fast to that which is GOOD. That which is GOOD is that which is TRULY taught in Scripture, not what some man pretends to be there. So, let’s just see what `Peter really does say about this ‘begotten�?

Lets just see what verse 23 REALLY does say, not what some smart mouthed man perverts it into ‘saying�? 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Now, see. It did NOT say, “be born again�? It said B E I N G, BEING BORN AGAIN. It is an ONGOING process, as I have always taught. No one is ‘born again�?while still in MORTAL FLESH. We have the ‘earnest�?OF OUR INHERITANCE. Not the very BORN AGAIN BODY, yet.

So, I find that bill perverts the word, to try and prove his false teachings. He also goes to a carnal man’s words, to try to prove a false doctrine, called, Kenosis. It is totally FOREIGN to Scripture, so he must point people to DAKE, not GOD.

There is not one single verse of Scripture saying that Jesus was God in heaven, before he , somehow, became a tiny cell inside a woman’s womb, and emptied himself of his ‘god knowledge and power�? that is a doctrine of SATAN.

And this satanic spirit is why you hate the gift of tongues.

And that is why you hate me.

So let’s get back to the first part of 1Peter and show more of how bill perverts the Word of God:

1pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

[according to his mercy he hath BEGOTTEN US AGAIN unto a lively HOPE, by the RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD.

Did not say he begot us as sons of God here. Said begot us to a lively HOPE. (Hope that is seen, is not HOPE.) And that was only by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was only begotten by that resurrection. Romans 11-4.]

1pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, [Now this plainly, (to any who can read with a clear mind; not clouded with their own false notions)--said that the inheritance which we were begotten TO, is incorruptible, and undefiled, and is RESERVED IN HEAVEN FOR YOU. So it PROVES what I said, that we are not BEGOTTEN ALREADY, WHILE IN THIS CORRUPITABLE BODY. Now if you can say that you are not in a corruptible body right now, and that it is not defiled in any kind of way, and you need nothing else from God, and that you already got to Heaven, to pick up that prize, then perhaps YOU are different from the rest of us�?who still have that incorruptible body reserved in Heaven for us!!] This is how Satan’s missionaries pervert the scriptures, trying to prove their false doctrine. But see, Scripture always shows the truth, and does NOT say one thing here, and something different over there.

1pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. [Here again it is clearly revealed that this inheritance, which we were begotten to, is kept by the power of God UNTO salvation READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME. It is not in our possession right now. It is reserved in Heaven, waiting to be revealed in the last time. Now go prove something different, QUOTING THIS SCRIPTURE RIGHTLY. It cannot be done. Nothing here said that we ARE ALREADY, NOW, BEGOTTEN OR BORN AGAIN, YET. It is lies of the devil. We will not be born again until we come out of that grave in a GLORIFIED BODY, WHICH IS THIS INHERITANCE, TO WHICH WE ARE BEGOTTEN, RESERVED IN HEAVEN FOR US, ] (See, you can twist Scripture and prove to the un-enlightened, anything.)

1pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

[This clearly said that now, for a season, we may be in heaviness. So we are not in that glorified body, yet. That glorified body is the NEW BIRTH. It is the eternal inheritance, reserved in Heaven for us. That is when we will be begotten, same as with Jesus. If he was not begotten before his resurrection, and Acts 13 proves, this, along with Rom. 11-4, what makes you any different? Are you better than Jesus?]

1pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

[Now that really puts is in good perspective. The end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. It will come at the END of your faith; not at the beginning or the middle. You do greatly ERR, not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God.] He that endureth unto the END, shall be saved, not he who STARTS.

1pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

[The GLORY FOLLOWED the sufferings of Christ. The glory did not go before that time. When we beheld his glory, was after or at his resurrection…AFTER HIS SUFFERINGS. Now call this a lie, as you do other Scriptures, believing some man’s lies, instead.]

1pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

[Hope to the END for the grace that is to be BROUGHT (future) to you AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST. So our hope will be fulfilled at the END, not at the beginning of our faith.]

1pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

BEING BORN AGAIN. BEING BORN AGAIN. It is still not complete, no matter how many falsely claim that they are now born again, yet still headed to that grave; death. After we are BORN AGAIN, THERE WILL BE NO DEATH UNTO US OR IN US.

By: Jo Smith ~~ Sept. 29, 2008

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/11/2008 1:00 AM
 
Acts 2:  47   Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
 
48~~`And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
 
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I am amazed as I read things across the internet.  How can anyone claim to be a teacher of the Word of God,     read the above two verse...   and still claim that being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with being baptized in WATER?
 
I just read where someone, who fancies themselves to be such a glorious, top-notch teacher,  who said that it has nothing to do with WATER baptism.
 
They must not be able to read, or else words have no meaning to them.  I think they are just so blind that they read anything they wish to into the word of God, and delete anything they do not like.
 
Look at it.  Peter said..   can any man forbid    WATER.   is that word water, or not?  can you read?
 
that these should not be baptized as we were.   then Peter,  mind you that is Peter, the one with the keys to the kingdom.   mind you, Jesus gave them to Peter......he COMMANDED, ....yes, It said   COMMANDED    (IT IS NOT A CHOICE;  IT IS A NT COMMANDMENT)   TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.
IF THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WATER, WHY DID PETER ASK, CAN ANY MAN     FORBID   WATER,   FOR THEM TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
 
(seems there must have been some of these same false teachers even then......claiming it has nothing to do with WATER BAPTISM.   )  Peter made it clear that he means  WATER BAPTISM.......MUST BE DONE IN THE NAME OF JESUS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.
 
HOW DARE ANY OF YOU DENY THIS?  HOW DARE YOU MINISTERS OF SATAN LIE AND CALL THIS WORD A LIE......TEACHING FOR DOCTRINE THE LIES OF MAN? 
 
p.s. If I have posted this one time, I have posted it innumerable times.....so has Larry.   yet we keep hearing these lies of man.   nonononono   it has nothing to do with water..nothing to do with remitting sins......nothing to do with salvation.
 
LIARS,   LIARS,  YOU ALL ARE   WHO DENY THIS WORD.
 
how can one be saved without getting their sins remitted?   who has the authority to do away with the way God chose to do this?  yea, even COMMANDED IT!!!