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Questions : Are There 2 Creations Of Man & Women?
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From: MSN NicknameTweety134  (Original Message)Sent: 3/29/2008 12:12 AM
Please read these verses and tell me what the difference is?
 
Genesis 1:26-27 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:18 (KJV)
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:21-23 (KJV)
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Now if you will read these passages very closely you will see that God made Man and Women together in HIS image. AND then later on he made Adam from the ground,and took the women out of the man. Now right there that is two creations of man and women. And I just proved it with scripture.  Comments please.  Tweety



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 1:50 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©</NOBR> Sent: 3/28/2008 10:46 PM
Tweety, you are exactly right, they are 2 different creations.
 
The first creation is the spiritual one. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 
The man and woman in chater 1 is showing Jesus Christ and his wife, the bride of Christ. That is the spiritual body
 
The 2 chapter is  a natual body, like we have now.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 1:50 AM
 
People prove their ignorance of Scripture when they make such statements as you have posted here, in those who answered you.  (on another site)
 
They have absolutely no understanding of spiritual things, yet they think their words are the absolute truth and do not even consider that they are perhaps missing something in the Word.
 
See, that their faulty thinking all comes from the FALSE teachings already present in this world,  namely that Jesus is God; that Jesus is the Word;  that God is a trinity;  that Jesus was an incarnate god.
 
Yet none of these things are written in Scripture.  They believe these lies readily, and will not even consider the truth which you posted.
 
It crosses all the lies they have always  believed, so they will not consider what you said.
 
When these kinds of deep revelations do not spark in interest in those who hear them, and they do not rise up to study it out, you can mark it down that they are not God's children and will never find the truth.
 
See how one of them said that the man and woman together are mankind.....yet because he wishes to block women from the things of God, he then says that every time God says,  'man',  he means just a man.  and when he means woman, he always says,  'woman'.
 
This is nothing but a lie of Satan.  When one says,  'man',  this includes every human being alive.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 1:51 AM
 
Hi again, Tweety.
 
I took a look at Bishop's board to see what Beffers had said to you.  Here it is:
 
From: Beffers Sent: 3/29/2008 12:15 AM
Hi Tweety! Long time between conversations. How are you? I pray you aren't still absorbing Joie's nonsense.  
 
Now if you will read these passages very closely you will see that God made Man and Women together in HIS image.
 
The verse doesn't say God made them 'together.' It just says He made them. You assume they were made together for which I'm surprised since Genesis 2 explains the creation. And if you do not believe the Scriptures contradict themselves then you should never have come to your conclusion in the first place. Genesis 2:7,18, 21-23 does not contradict Genesis 1:26-27 nor does it suggest two creations but supplies detail of Adam and Eve's creation. Simply put, they were "made…at the beginning" (Matt. 19:4). As previously mentioned, you must realize that the account in chapter one does not say or assert that Adam and Eve were created together or at the exact same moment. However, both Adam and Eve were created on day six (Gen. 1:24-31). Chapter two supplies the detail that Adam was made from the dust and Eve from a "rib" of Adam (Gen. 2:7;21-22). Chapter two also presents information as to Adam's loneliness that "precipitated" God forming Eve (Gen. 2:20). That should have told you their creations were distinct and seperate. Do not try to interpret one verse apart from the other verses that pertain to the same subject. To do this invites doubt and uncertainty as to the validity of God's word and can (and does) lead you to false conclusions.
 
Now right there that is two creations of man and women. And I just proved it with scripture.
 
Actually the Scriptures themselves proved your conclusion wrong.
 
Nice to see you again!!!
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My Words:
 
Now here is the proof that he is wrong and does not know how to rightly divide or understand Scripture.  Hope you show this to him.  You do not have to say I wrote it, but you show him this proof that he is wrong:
 
After the chapter one creation was FINISHED,  God said this: 

Ge 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

See, there was NOT a man.....to till the ground.

see that in chapter one, God created the birds and whales and fish, (all creatures which live in water)..on day five. 

On day six, he FIRST created all the animals,  then Adam and Eve.  it does not make any time distinction here, between the creation of Adam and Eve.  For anyone to say there is,  is to add things to the Word, which God did NOT say.

Beffers claimed that Adam was lonely and that is why God decided to make Eve.  But not one word is mentioned in Scripture saying that Adam was lonely.  That is NOT why God made Eve.

But notice that God had ALREADY formed Adam, or man, from the dust of the ground.  Then he does this next:

Ge 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Ge 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Ge 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

See, here is the SOLID PROOF that chapter one creation is NOT THIS CREATION IN CHAPTER TWO.  The first thing God formed here, in cp. 2, was  man.

Then he said it is not good that the man be ALONE.  this proves that Eve was not present yet, and neither were any animals or birds present.  Adam was all ALONE.

  God said I will make him an helpmeet.  But then...

God created all the fish, the birds and the animals, of THIS creation.  He then brought ALL OF these animals to Adam for Adam to name.

THEN....it says:

Ge 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Now see, here is the SOLID PROOF that this is entirely DIFFERENT from chapter one.

God had made all the animals BEFORE he made either the man or the woman, which he made together,  (no time laspe is given there, and no way to make one)...

But here, in chapter two, he made the MAN first....AND HE WAS ALONE.......THEN GOD MADE ALL THE BIRDS AND ANIMALS......AFTER THE MAN......AND BROUGHT THEM TO THE MAN FOR ADAM TO NAME........BUT THERE WAS STILL NO  HELPMEET FOR ADAM.

So, here, man was made first....then animals and birds.....then last of all,  WOMAN.

Now how in this world can any sensible, right thinking person not see that there is no way this matches chapter one?  It cannot be the same creation.  If anyone thinks it is,  they must call this account in Gen. one and two, a lie.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 1:51 AM

Isa 50:3 I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering.

 

The heavens were those original people, in the image of God.  They were the anointed cherub.

sackcloth is this human flesh.

it is the blackness.  see what took place?


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 1:52 AM
 
Here is proof that this covering was our flesh:
 

Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the veil that is spread over all nations.

 Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

It proves that coming out of death into victory means getting rid of the covering cast over all people.  This human, dust frame, is the veil that is spread over all nations.

How else could it be linked with death being swallowed up in victory?


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 1:52 AM

Isa 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

Isa 28:3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:  (this is Adam's pride, his 'before the flood, kingdom', and it is Satan being trodden under feet.  It happened at the flood).

 

Isa 28:4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up. (the glorious beauty, was Adam in his first state, the anointed cherub.  It faded when he was placed into this earth body.)

Isa 28:5 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people.  (This is when the NT came in.  It changed into the glory of the LORD.)


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 2:10 AM

Ho 2:1 Say ye unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah.

Ho 2:2 Plead with your mother, plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;

Ho 2:3 Lest I strip her naked, and set her as in the day that she was born, and make her as a wilderness, and set her like a dry land, and slay her with thirst.

Ho 2:4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.

Ho 2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

Ho 2:6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.

Ho 2:7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.

Ho 2:8 For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal.

Look at this and compare it with my new message, The Devouring Lion. And I had posted it before I saw this in your post.

See, everyone thinks of the above as nothing more than the nation of old Israel. But that is just a type. The true whore here is the kingdom of Adam, with Adam as its head. This kingdom, as all nations or kingdoms, are referred to as a woman. (Everyone thinks it is speaking about a natural woman, and try to brand women as bad because of this. But no. It is speaking of a KINGDOM, the Kingdom of Satan or Adam.)

See this is speaking about the kingdom of Adam, or the human kingdom or flesh. She is the whore. She is this naked kingdom. She is naked Laodecia.

She, the Adam kingdom, played the harlot, in that she worships a false god. That god is Adam. I believe from this passage that Adam is also called BAAL. Yes. I believe it will prove out that Baal is Adam, just as the Golden Calf is an image of Adam.

In the end, this evil kingdom will have to acknowledge that it was better with them with their first husband, or God, which was the first kingdom before they fell into sin.

When I have more time, I want to take this and prove these things. I simply do not have time now or feel like it. Have been here all day.

But you are right about Eve being the one who showed Adam his sin or nakedness. I know this because of this: Ge 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

See, Eve called out the sin of Cain. She was the minister of God in this family. She did not condone these sins. I fully believe now, that we see much more about this Godly woman, that she was convicted or smitten in her heart immediately when she sinned. She had the true Spirit of God, and knew immediately that she had sinned and broken fellowship with God.

I fully believe that she repented immediately. She was praising God when her first children were born. So she had turned back to God at the start. This is why she had such a hard life and how she could have told Adam he was naked apart from God. She would have told him, as she mentioned Cain’s sin, trying to get them to repent and turn back to God.

Jo Smith 3/29/08


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