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From: MSN NicknameLeilaOfTheWoods  (Original Message)Sent: 11/19/2008 12:38 AM

"If we do go to war, psychological operations are going to be absolutely a critical, critical part of any campaign that we must get involved in.": General H. Norman Schwarzkopf

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"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.": Joseph Goebbels - Goebbels was Hitler's Minister of Propaganda

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"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.": Abraham Lincoln

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

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Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq
"1,284,105"
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
 
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Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America'sWar On Iraq
4,201
http://icasualties.org/oif/
 
The War And Occupation Of Iraq Costs
$572,247,172,123
 
See the cost in your community
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
 
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2011 US Iraq Withdrawal Depends on Conditions on the Ground

By The Telegraph

"And so three years is a long time. Conditions could change in that period of time," said Adml Mullen, adding the United States will continue to talk with Baghdad "as conditions continue to evolve." Asked if the agreement could be changed, he said "that's theoretically possible".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21260.htm

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Will The US Government Accept Responsibility For The Slaughter Of Over 1,000,000 Iraqis?

By Michael Schwartz

Historically, the U.S. government has a poor record of acknowledging its responsibility for death and/or destruction of other peoples, beginning with the genocide against Native Americans (never officially acknowledged), continuing through two hundred years of the slave trade and slavery (there has actually been a limp official apology), and culminating in the ongoing refusal to acknowledge one to three million deaths in Vietnam caused by the U.S. attempt to conquer that country.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21262.htm

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America's Moronic Iraqi Policy

By Paul Craig Roberts

If the US maintains its pro-Israeli stance against Arabs and Muslims generally, the implications of a growing Muslim population and a government obsessed with its "war on terror" are frightening for American civil liberty. In order to contain the potential terror that it will have imported, Washington would impose a total police state. We will have our own Saddam Hussein.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21254.htm

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An Act of Treachery?

Pakistan Backed Raid, Says Nato

By The BBC

Nato-led troops in Afghanistan say they carried out an attack on an "enemy position" in Pakistan on Sunday with the help of Pakistani security forces.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21261.htm

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Obama's Real Colour? Green

Methinks they do protest too much

By William Bowles

Selecting Barack Obama is a perfect example of the ideology of racism in action for its function is, in part, to 'disarm' opposition to US policies. Witness the millions of black and hispanic folks who voted for him. It should be clear to all that Obama could never have become the candidate, let alone the president without having been 'cleared' as it were, by the Democratic power brokers.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21257.htm

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James Zogby and the Politics of Perception

By Remi Kanazi

Zogby tries to calm the fears of Arab Americans about Barack Obama's first appointment, Rahm Emanuel, to White House Chief of Staff. Zogby expressed shock and dismay that his constituency, once euphoric over the election of Obama, was now sending him angry and cynical letters.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21265.htm

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Dual Loyalties Will Doom Obama

By RANNIE AMIRI

History will record the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign to have been one in which American Arabs and Muslims were politically marginalized, ostracized and disparaged like no time before. Contrary to initial expectations, those bruised sensibilities are unlikely to find in President-elect Barack Obama the salve so desperately needed.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21255.htm

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The Irresponsibility of Appointing Hillary Clinton Secretary of State

By BILL and KATHLEEN CHRISTISON

In 2005 Hillary Clinton stood in Palestine and praised the apartheid wall that the government of Israel was building with large amounts of U.S. aid in furtherance of the Zionist goal of destroying one of the world's peoples -- the Palestinians
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21264.htm

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Occupation 101

Must Watch Video

Warning - This video contains images depicting the reality and horror of occupation and should only be viewed by a mature audience.

A thought-provoking and powerful documentary film on the current and historical root causes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unlike any other film ever produced on the conflict -- 'Occupation 101' presents a comprehensive analysis of the facts and hidden truths surrounding the never ending controversy and dispels many of its long-perceived myths and misconceptions.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21259.htm

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US Bin-Ladin Hunt Phoney

By Juan Cole

The USG Open Source Center translates an article from the Persian Afghan press alleging that French troops were at one point close to capturing Usamah Bin Ladin in Afghanistan, but that American forces stopped them from doing so. - The argument is that the Bush administration needed Bin Ladin to be at large in order to justify its military expansionism.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21256.htm

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Why Guantánamo Must Be Closed:

By Andy Worthington

Buying prisoners for bounties and shredding the Geneva Conventions.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21258.htm

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Financial Crisis Tab Already In The Trillions

By CNBC.com |

CNBC, has been keeping a running tally of actual spending as well as the commitments involved. Try $4.28 trillion dollars. That's $4,284,500,000,000 and more than what was spent on WW II, if adjusted for inflation, based on our computations from a variety of estimates and sources.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21263.htm

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Clashes along Afghan-Pakistani border kill 25:

Clashes on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border have killed at least 25 people, officials said Tuesday, including seven left dead after Taliban militants in Pakistan's northwest attacked pro-government tribal elders.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/18/asia/pakistan.php

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16 killed in Afghanistan:

Six Afghan soldiers were killed, one of them beheaded, in a battle with Taliban insurgents, authorities said Tuesday, also reporting at least 10 militants had died in fighting.
http://tinyurl.com/5bnm95

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Blasts kill seven in Afghanistan:

Two separate bomb blasts in southern Afghanistan yesterday killed five Afghan civilians and two policemen, officials said, in attacks similar to others carried out by Taliban insurgents.
http://tinyurl.com/5f4oed

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From: MSN NicknameLeilaOfTheWoodsSent: 11/19/2008 12:39 AM

Karzai: 'remove me or leave' over Taliban talks :

President Hamid Karzai has said he will guarantee the security of the Taliban's leader, Mullah Omar, and top Taliban commanders if they agree to hold talks with the Afghan government. If the international community fails to back his protection of the Taliban's top brass, they can "remove me or leave," the president said in a press conference held in Kabul on Sunday
http://tinyurl.com/6rudxv

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MPs say Mullah Omar must face trial :

A number of MPs said in Parliament on Monday that Omar would have to face trial for crimes against humanity before being granted asylum by the Afghan government.
http://tinyurl.com/55pdde

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18 killed in Pakistan:

At least 17 militants and a soldier have been killed in exchanges of fire in Pakistan's northwest, where the military is waging a bloody offensive against al-Qaeda and the Taliban, the army says.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=667875

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US military launches joint border operation with Pakistan:

The US military has launched a coordinated operation with Pakistani forces to put pressure on insurgents on both sides of Afghanistan's wild eastern frontier, a US military commander said Tuesday.
http://tinyurl.com/6mv8rd

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Manufacturing Consent For An Attack On Iran?

'Iran will have nukes within two years':

With Iran less than two years away from acquiring nuclear capability, a combined strategy of political isolation, increased economic sanctions and the threat of military action as a last resort is the best way to prevent the Islamic Republic from acquiring nuclear weapons, former chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. (res.) Moshe Ya'alon said Monday.
http://tinyurl.com/63t3oa

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Iran speaker urges Iraq to resist U.S. pact:

Iran's parliament speaker urged Iraqi lawmakers to keep resisting a security pact with the United States, official media said Tuesday, a day after Baghdad signed an accord on U.S. troop presence in Iraq.
http://tinyurl.com/5ty55u

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Iraq says long-awaited provincial elections will be held Jan. 31:

The announcement of the election date comes as parliament prepares for a Nov. 24 vote on a U.S.-Iraqi security pact to allow American troops to stay in Iraq for three more years.
http://tinyurl.com/5god4d

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Top judge: US and UK acted as 'vigilantes' in Iraq invasion:

Former senior law lord condemns 'serious violation of international law'
http://tinyurl.com/5mogau

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Straw defends his role in Iraq war after ex-law lord brands conflict 'illegal':

Lord Goldsmith and Lord Chancellor Jack Straw defended their actions after Lord Bingham, the former senior law lord and one of Britain's most respected judicial experts, described the military action by Britain and the US as a " serious violation of international law".
http://tinyurl.com/5edqzv

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Israeli occupation force tanks move into Gaza, level farmland:

Israeli tanks forged into the southern Gaza Strip on Tuesday, drawing mortar fire from Palestinian militants and intensifying violence that has chipped away at a tenuous cease-fire.
http://tinyurl.com/6f9mtq

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UN: Israel Violating Law in Gaza:

The U.N.'s top human rights official says the Israeli blockade of Gaza is depriving Palestinians of their most basic human rights.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-11-18-voa8.cfm

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Egypt court says aid must be allowed into Gaza:

Presently, Egypt has limited humanitarian trucks from entering Gaza as part of its border crackdown in line with Israeli policies.
http://tinyurl.com/5gglc5

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There is no such thing as Islamic terrorism:

Urging people not to associate terrorism with any religion, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) president Rajnath Singh Tuesday criticised the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) of Mumbai Police for defaming saints and military personnel.
http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-48003.html

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Hillary Clinton to accept Obama's offer of secretary of state job:

Clinton would be well placed to become the country's dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state

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Hillary Clinton would be a gift to the right:

She carries tremendous political baggage, and would give Republicans a familiar target if Obama makes her secretary of state
http://tinyurl.com/6bkswa

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Urgent International Push for Pollard:

With Prime Minister Ehud Olmert scheduled to leave in a few days for a parting visit with U.S. President George W. Bush - who will leave office in two months' time, just a few weeks before Olmert is to be replaced -massive pressure is being exerted on Olmert to ask Bush for a pardon.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128444

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Obama advisers: Harsh interrogators will walk:

Even as President-elect Obama vowed "to regain America's moral stature in the world" during Sunday's 60 Minutes appearance, two of his senior advisers confessed there is no intent to pursue those in the Bush administration who engaged in torture.
http://tinyurl.com/5glxcl

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Gulf War illness is real, report finds:

A report released on Monday concluded that Gulf War syndrome is a legitimate illness suffered by more than 175,000 U.S. war veterans who were exposed to chemical toxins in the 1991 Gulf War.
http://tinyurl.com/5k9znx

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McCain backer Lieberman keeps committee chair:

Lieberman's colleagues in the Democratic caucus voted 42-13 Tuesday to approve a resolution condemning statements made by Lieberman during the campaign but allowing him to keep the Homeland Security Committee gavel.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081118/ap_on_go_co/senate_lieberman

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Ecuador auditor urges debt default:

The official overseeing an audit of Ecuador's foreign debt said his committee found evidence of abuses and irregularities tied to almost all of the country's bonds and will recommend a default on $10.3 billion in national debt.
http://tinyurl.com/6nlh44

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Lawmakers, Treasury lock horns on foreclosures:

The U.S. Treasury Secretary and members of Congress locked horns on Tuesday over a $700 billion financial bailout fund, with lawmakers demanding money to stem foreclosures and Henry Paulson arguing it was meant for investing in financial companies.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081118/ts_nm/us_financial_usa

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Depression 2009: What would it look like?:

By looking at what we know about how society and commerce would slow down, and how people respond, it's possible to envision what we might face.
http://tinyurl.com/5br5m5

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