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General : Court Overturns Grounding of 12-yr-Old
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From: MSN Nickname_SassySuthernGal_  (Original Message)Sent: 11/20/2008 5:53 PM

Court overturns father's grounding of 12-year-old

Jun 18, 2008

OTTAWA (AFP) �?A Canadian court has lifted a 12-year-old girl's grounding, overturning her father's punishment for disobeying his orders to stay off the Internet, his lawyer said Wednesday.

The girl had taken her father to Quebec Superior Court after he refused to allow her to go on a school trip for chatting on websites he tried to block, and then posting "inappropriate" pictures of herself online using a friend's computer.

The father's lawyer Kim Beaudoin said the disciplinary measures were for the girl's "own protection" and is appealing the ruling.

"She's a child," Beaudoin told AFP. "At her age, children test their limits and it's up to their parents to set boundaries."

"I started an appeal of the decision today to reestablish parental authority, and to ensure that this case doesn't set a precedent," she said. Otherwise, said Beaudoin, "parents are going to be walking on egg shells from now on."

"I think most children respect their parents and would never go so far as to take them to court, but it's clear that some would and we have to ask ourselves how far this will go."

According to court documents, the girl's Internet transgression was just the latest in a string of broken house rules. Even so, Justice Suzanne Tessier found her punishment too severe.

Beaudoin noted the girl used a court-appointed lawyer in her parents' 10-year custody dispute to launch her landmark case against dear old dad.



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From: MSN Nicknametinycat2Sent: 11/20/2008 9:16 PM
you know i would dare a judge tell me my kid cant get on the internet as a punishment i would tell the ruling where to shove it and go to jail a internet is not a place for a child

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From: MSN Nickname_SassySuthernGal_Sent: 11/20/2008 10:21 PM

Child sues her dad over being grounded, and wins. Blame Canada!

The Quebec Superior Court not only thought it was a good idea to hear a case of a 12-year-old girl angry about being grounded by Daddy. They ruled in her favor.

A 12-year-old Quebec girl who felt so strongly about her end-of-year school trip that she took her father to court after he forbade her from going is at the centre of a case that challenges the authority of parental discipline.

The extreme measure of taking the case to court, which the girl's lawyer defended as a necessary move to ensure the child was not denied a significant rite of passage, was upheld by the judge in a surprise ruling last week.

A little background: The child's parents are apparently going through a divorce. Dad has primary custody (for now). The girl needed permission from both parents to go on the trip. Mommy said, "yes." Daddy said, "no" �?because she was grounded for violating the boundaries he put down for use of the Internet.

So the girl found a lawyer (employee of the state) to take her case.

"This was something that would never happen again in the child's life," said Lucie Fortin, the lawyer for the girl, who cannot be named.

She's 12. She's in elementary school. What "something" that happened in your elementary school experience that would "never happen again" would you be emotionally scarred for life if you missed it? Take your time ...

I hope you answer is "nothing." If not, go to law school. Join the ACLU and proceed to ruin our country.

The pre-teen's lawyer (and it pains me to even type those words) said she normally wouldn't have intervened such a seemingly insignificant episode of normally sacred parental rights, but this situation called for the intervention of the state.

"This was not a question of going to the movies or not, or going online or not �?because obviously, I wouldn't have intervened in that," she said.

Obviously. This is serious business, worthy of the state playing the good parent.

A subject not raised in this incredible story is how "adults" which includes lawyers and a judge �?did not think about the long-term damage they were inflicting on a 12-year-old by even getting involved in this trivial issue. The girl does not have the capacity to realize what she is doing. Adults should know better (and yes, that includes the girl's mother, who shoulders a great deal of blame for supporting this lawsuit). But how does this girl now mend the damage this whole spectacle has inflicted on the relationship with herself and her one and only father?

The answer is: She doesn't. The gir's father, with justification (if not compassion), said he refuses to take his daughter back into his home "because he has no authority over her." How is that statement wrong in light of this?

Again, where are the adults? A mindless, hyper-litigious Canadian "system" needed to protect this girl from making an irreversible mistake, not encourage her to destroy the relationship with her father. Nothing good comes from this situation. Nothing.

*not my words, those of the author - the same thing could happen here


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From: MSN Nickname_SassySuthernGal_Sent: 11/20/2008 10:37 PM
The daughter appears to be following in mommy's footsteps. This mother has just taught her daughter to disrespect authority (her father and the school) and that selfish, spoiled behavior is acceptable. 
 
Parents have simply got to grow up and work together where their kids are concerned, divorced or not.  Kids are the priority.  Get over the "I'm right, you are wrong, good parent, bad parent" game and grow up.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameټßònißelټSent: 11/20/2008 11:16 PM
give me my CHANCLA!!!

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From: lostNdallasSent: 11/21/2008 4:52 AM
This is too stupid to even comment on...
 
whoops, just contradicted myself.

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From: MSN Nickname_SassySuthernGal_Sent: 11/21/2008 2:47 PM
LMBO!

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From: missmyasiaSent: 11/21/2008 4:39 PM
....nevermind........ditto w/lost

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From: MSN Nickname©Rowan©Sent: 11/22/2008 6:39 PM
Only one thingto point out. It is Quebec's High Cpurt not Canada's.  )ttawa is in Ontario, capitol of Canada  But it does not control Quebec's Courts there is a long way to get to the High Court of Canada.  Odd thing we have not heard of this or it is so old we have forgotten it.You know reporters any thing to sell papers or Blame Canada for.
We have enought problems here already thanks .and you never hear of them.
Rowans.

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From: MSN Nickname_SassySuthernGal_Sent: 11/24/2008 5:53 PM
Sorry, Selkie, I'm not sure what you're saying.   The article says Quebec's Superior court, not Canada's.    I actually deleted parts of the article that had nothing to do with the story itself and probably should have deleted more...sorry about that.  I love Canada!
 
Like I said, this could just as easily happen here, too.   The situation (girl suing her dad and the courts supporting her in it) is out of control and stupid.
 
Kids needs to learn to respect authority.  Parents need to learn to quit giving in to their "darling angel babies" over every little thing, and make them learn to live with repercussions of their actions.  There is a difference between standing up for our kids and supporting them when they are wronged or make mistakes, and bailing them out of every little mess they get themselves into.
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname€Rëïbèççà•£ïåh�?/nobr>Sent: 11/24/2008 9:48 PM
It more than undermines a parent's authority.  It also begins to reduce the RESPECT factor that kids need to have for their parents.  Kids want boundries set.  I think it was a bit much to take it to court and how did this girl pay a lawyer to take her case anyhow?

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From: imjustnotmeSent: 11/26/2008 7:01 AM
I think the Canadians have free medical, why not free legal assistance?
ImJust

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From: MSN Nickname©Rowan©Sent: 11/26/2008 3:04 PM
 
Read the comments in the Glove and Mail Canada posh paper.
 
Selkie.

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From: MSN Nicknametinycat2Sent: 12/3/2008 2:09 AM
only one question in this issue isnt the state or law tell kids well suppose to tell kids to do as their parents say but in this state there isnt even a scare task anymore for young kids but i always though the law was on the parents side

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From: MSN Nickname_SassySuthernGal_Sent: 12/3/2008 2:26 PM
I'm in agreement with the majority of them, Selkie. We have our share of idiot judges, too.  I don't see this as a slam on Canada as a whole, just on that particular judge.  I'd be interested to know what made her rule the way she did.  Maybe it would make more sense, then, because it sure doesn't with with limited information I've seen on it.

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