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| | From:  _Xer (Original Message) | Sent: 10/31/2008 12:21 AM |
How accurate would those FREE IQ tests online be?
Does it prove you are actually a moron if you take one?
Aren't real IQ tests timed?
What are the categories and increment delimits for scores on REAL IQ tests?
What is a minimal score for MENSA?
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| | | From: _Xer | Sent: 10/31/2008 8:25 AM |
So a score of 59% on a free IQ test doesn't mean I'm stupid? (whew) Great! That used to be a failing grade in school.
I didn't go looking for it, Gryphon. I was just browsing some sites on periodic tables and several of them had ads for the same stupid free IQ test. Idly, I tried it to see how it would turn out. Thank you for reassuring me.
My wife believes IQ tests are really Cultural tests. She also thinks they are more likely to measure 'class' than IQ. That's a shame if true, 'cause before taking that stupid online test I always thought I had class. 
Lucky for us, despite your exploding head, your heart has always been in the right place. that's why I've always loved ya.'    |
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I agree with your wife in that some of the IQ tests are a bit "Cultural" (in that someone raised in South Africa, for example, wouldn't have scored as well on the Wexler-Adult as I did, even if the South African were ten times more intelligent than I....) I took that test back in the 1970's, and I don't think Mensa uses it for qualifications any longer. Some of the newer tests, however, have gone out of their way to remove as much of that cultural bias as possible.  You do have "class" Xer, you just hide it sometimes..... We can all use all we can get. Even more important in these chaotic times. I'm so very worried about what is going to happen after the Election results come in next week. I'm predicting some major unrest - regardless of who wins.....  |
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You know, Gyrp, I do not ever recall worrying about anything that I cannot control or have some influence over. If you cannot change it, the deuce with it.
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IQ tests.... (sigh) If only things like that, and creativity could be measured. Biggest problem with IQ tests, my opinion, is the latitude and longitude comparison of what is, with what is, shifted. The reality of genius, creativity, defies measurement. It is spontaneous, and should it erupt during a testing situation, nothing on the test is prepared to deal, or positively interact with it. You either conform to the test, or you don't. A 98% score really says, "98% conformity with what this test attempts to explain." If moments of creativity, and especially improvisation occur, they are distractions, and disruptions. Genius isn't seen in the complex, but in when the complex is made simple. E = mc2 The famous Beethoven Fifth Symphony crafted from four notes Robin Williams was nearly kicked out of Juilliard because of his inability to focus on the page, and desire to break away into improv. Houseman however, saw a little deeper, and paired him with Chris Reeve as a study buddy, to focus that creative genius so the improv would be complimentary, rather than combative and thus, distracting. If I were Milos Foreman, I would have cast Williams as Mozart. However his body hair might be problematic. (Never knew a more hairy human being). Williams is damn close to being fur. Point is, his genius is always based on, and erupts from the simplest of ideas. No test I know, measures that. If one has to take a test, to know or to find out, how is a test going to reinforce and reveal that? You either know, or you don't. Test won't matter. If you have to ask, and study the problem, the answer is probably not. Does that matter? Not a hill of beans. One genius is no matchwit for two ordinary others. Mensa is sexist. why not Womensa? Mundane
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Egads. "PC" is one reason I refused to join the Feminist Movement. To me, the word "men" has far larger implications than just describing the male gender.  Mensa is Latin for Table. Around which all Members are equal. I'm sorry you have such a negative impression of Mensa, Pikes. It's the only group to which I belong. |
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Gryphon, I see your intelligence, mensa not withstanding. It isn't mensa that irritates me. Its the tests! Seeking a membership of brilliance based on tests, when the tests only measure one set of predictability, misses a most important, fundamental quality of genius, found in immeasurable, and unpredictable creativity. |
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Gryph...your assessment of the feminist movement is interesting. I'd like to hear more about your thinking..."PC" talk didn't really begin until long after the feminist movement. Speech and language shape thought, so drawing awareness to the words we use, and their subliminal implications (postMAN, fireMAN, policeMAN, etc) is necessary in my estimation not petty. I think people who have taken pc speech to the extreme have done so mockingly or out of a lack of knowledge of the purpose behind drawing attention to language. I still move in a world where I'm Mrs. Hamilton and my husband Dr. Hamilton...and I had mine first! (and no one mistakenly accused me of having the terminal degree -- called me Dr. when I hadn't earned it yet, and it was assumed that he did) There are cultural assumptions behind language and lexical choice. That's why, to me, it matters. |
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| | | From: _Xer | Sent: 11/1/2008 8:17 AM |
Folks, lets be careful not to make Gryphon feel surrounded?
I won't respond to either question yet. They were asked of her, and it is her right to have first response.
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Gryphon, there is another group you belong to, the Americans who finally put their foot down, said ENOUGH, and elected the first Black man to the highest office in the nation. That's a pretty large group, gal. Glad you are one of the 'good guys.'
My wife is terrified McBrainDrain will win, but I am positive the dullard and his patsy will be crushed. If America allows the corrupt Republican Party to steal this election also..... I suspect we will see a second civil war. It will certainly cause me to become a political activist again.
There is no way the Republicans can win this time without extraordinarily corrupt measures. The ONLY argument the Reps can trot out is the boring-to-tears argument about Democrats and taxes? What the hell do they think government can run on, charitable contributions? Without taxes, we have no police force, no roads, bridges, traffic lights, street signs, military to protect us from China.
Without taxes China OWNS every last one of us and our great-grandchildren. I am so so so sick of the totally inane Republican arguments, I'm beginning to wonder how I could ever have considered myself a Republican IN MY LIFE. Talk about BRAIN DEAD people!!!!!
Anyone who is stupid enough to not vote for Obama because he is black (and LOTS of people will be making up every excuse, to themselves, they can think of to pretend it isn't because of the color of his skin) deserves to have to learn Chinese to be able to survive in America.
If Obama doesn't win, I fear we will have even less influence on the world than England did after losing their Empire. What is England today? They are our perverted (buggering) old uncle hanging ragtag onto America's glory. What will America become if McDope wins? We will be serving tea to our Chinese masters for the next two hundred years... or more. |
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Pikes, what's the criteria for joining the Chamber of Commerce? (Owning a business) The criteria for joining the Masonic Lodges? (Belief in God and being Male and being recommended by another Mason) The criteria for joining the NRA? (filling out an application and paying some dues - don't even need to own a gun) Every group has its own criteria for membership..... A couple of decades ago, Mensa started culling the qualifying tests due to discovered "Cultural Bias." But, yes, scoring in the top 2% of qualifying tests is still the criteria for joining Mensa. As I said, it's a group for those of us who's talents are test-taking - not "unpredictable creativity." How in the world would you ever measure such a thing, anyway? Jen, I believe "The Feminist Movement" actually began in the 60's - when we "Hippies" decided that all humans should be considered equal, and have the same Rights. When Bella and Gloria and other powerful women started getting more vocal (and "PC"), I decided I wasn't equal - I was superior, so why should I "settle" for equality? Blame it on my Grandparents. They raised me to believe that words were more powerful than swords. Words were valuable, and those collected into books were precious and should be protected and revered (Libraries were as sacred as the Church!) So, changing a word to remove an offending "man" ending because some folks get subliminal messages from same is practically sacreligious! You'll have to kill me to get me to change this phrase: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident: that ALL men are created equal." I never read nor heard that phrase as referring to only the testosterone-poisoned gender....  And, yes Xer, I am proud to be an American. Like you, I am worried about the Chinese. I've been worried about them since the 60's when everybody else was worried about "Russians" (back when they were really still the USSR). I said then, and I'm still saying it 4 decades later. Due to the complete cultural differences between China and most of the rest of the world, they don't think the same as we do. They do NOT value human life like we (and the Russians) do. When I learned of how the Russians defended their country with pitchforks and hoes against the invading Nazis, I knew then that these were folks who thought just like we do! As for paying taxes, yes I understand they are necessary. Got to pay for the infrastructure, the Military, heck - even the salaries of Politicians for life (that I would love to see changed!) Like Obama, I think the Rich don't pay their fair share. They can afford to hire the Accountants to discover ways to hide income from Uncle Sam, so the taxes they do pay don't impact like the taxes on the poor (which I am now....) I've never voted for a person because of their gender or race. I do my research online or in Libraries when that is available (on most State-level, or Fed-level Politicians,) and ask my neighbors and other elected officials when researching a Local Politician. I started my research on Obama back in 2004 when he made that speech at the Democratic Convention. I was blown away by his charisma then, and had to learn more about him. He has only continued to amaze me. I'm so happy to have lived to see him win this Election. I just pray he lives to serve his 8 years!  |
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As I said, it's a group for those of us who's talents are test-taking - not "unpredictable creativity." How in the world would you ever measure such a thing, anyway? A test won't measure it. I see that ability in you, without need for a test. Kind of a "takes one to know one" method. I was once asked to create a gifted program for a public screwl. The process was an application, a series of interviews, including a visit to the student's room. There, on shelves, or walls, or in notebooks, were windows into the mind. In what, was the child interested? That's how MIT does it. Gifted people know their gifts with a passion, and pursue them relentlessly. They surround themselves with evidence of their gift, and getting to know them is like opening the door to their room. You walk in, and stand in amazement at the miracle opened up before you. At the center of it, is that smiling face who says, "welcome to me." Your talents far exceed test taking, and you know it. It just so happened the test was aligned with your intellect, to provide others with a window into your mind. I believe the test method in this example, is meant for something clinical, and impersonal. That doesn't work for me, because a keen intellect is someone I want to know better. "It takes one to know one," is deeper than a superficial adage, because of our relentless curiosity to connect with someone, from whom we can learn, and with whom we can be understanding friends. |
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Gryphon, your observation of the Chinese is mine as well. The dragon is awake. One thing I noticed about the Chinese students at Juilliard, is their formidable and flawless technique, but total lack of understanding about interpretation and story telling in music. They can play with passion, only with great difficulty, and what sounds like passion, is usually nothing more than relentlessly practiced clinicism. If that lack of "humanity" is cultural, and I believe it is, we are headed for real trouble. It was difficult to be friends with the Chinese students, in particular, because their interest is a goal, and not in people. They will throw anyone in their way under a train, and will stop at nothing to stand in front of the line. In fact, I believe we are already at war. The war with Japan didn't end either. It shifted weapons. They could not beat us militarily, so they turned to economics. Our dullard leaders fail to understand the gravity of the economic war, or how vulnerable in this, we are. Sometimes around "quitting time" on Wall Street, I felt like I was in Hong Kong. It wasn't that way when I was in NYC for undergrad study. |
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| | | From: _Xer | Sent: 11/1/2008 8:06 PM |
Okay kiddos. I got to be honest with you. The silly score on the silly i.q. test came out at 145. The only IQ tests I ever took for real were in school. The last was in junior high. As soon as I began taking the silly joke online I immediately wondered about timing, and wondered if response time was programmed into the thing. In the off chance that it was, I self-limited the time for each page. With enough time, I am certain I could have puzzled out the 'correct' answer for each question. Though I did try and impose time constraints on myself, without a stopwatch and someone to 'man' it, there was no real 'quality control' there. Aside from the brevity of the test, when the score came back as high as it did, I was certain the thing was a stupid joke. That's why I queried Gryphon. I am aware she used to be a test taker. I have never been good at taking tests in school because they are really MEMORY tests, and my brain is more interested in other areas than memorizing and regurgitating. I like to think, and suspect that is in part because I was always handicapped in school by a checkerboard education. We moved A LOT! How could the poor little schmuck I was, stand a chance in testing situations when he hadn't been there when the material on the test had been taught to the class by the teacher? Yet, I still had to take their f*cking tests!!! Yes, I am still angry to this day. It was a totally unfair load to dump on a little boy's psyche. So, I loved when they trotted out the IQ tests. For me they were the equalizer. The other kids were as much ignorant as I was. For me that made IQ tests fun. It always frustrated the Dickens out of me that I never could finish one though.
Gryphon, the very act of taking a written test is culturally biased. Why not make little white kids and Asian kids have to take a test in the African bush with little kids raised in that environment. Can you see how it is impossible to remove the culturalism from ALL IQ tests? |
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145. What does that mean? If five points higher, and let's round it up, it means that xer has a knowledge base equivalent to half the population twice his age. Therefore xer is able to run with a crowd who is around age 120 to 140. |
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| | | From: _Xer | Sent: 11/2/2008 9:43 AM |
No wonder I feel so old all the time!
Suspect I'll continue taking that 'test' result with a gain of salt, Pikes |
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I run with the same crowd xer. |
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