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From: Old Coot  (Original Message)Sent: 11/2/2008 6:43 PM
We read a lot about the poor educational system in the US and how it is broken. The part of the story that concerns me is my perception that the articles are about public education and private and home schooling education is not factored in. I do not know the stats, but here in Greenville there are a number of private schools and from what I can tell well attended. A few weeks ago, I had the opportunity to talk with a couple of three parents who had their kids in private high school. Capsule: " the public schools are sub part and we scrimp so that the kids can go to the private high school".

oc...wonder if the rest of the US is sort of like that??


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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/2/2008 10:40 PM
OC, my experience is private schools are generally even more inferior to public screwls. Parents best look before they leap, as in speaking with successful graduates- not other buy-in parents, or reading private screwl slick brochures with fantastic claims that may or may not be true, and have no way of verification.
 
For example, many private screwls give some standardized test, to "demonstrate" student proficiency. Usually these are tests chosen because their method makes the screwl look better, not because the kids actually learn better. For example, the old ITBS, in which a section has something of a weighted comparison with grade level performance. Parents are tickled pink to see their sixth grade reading at a tenth grade, or phs (post high school) level. If they compared tests, they'd find that most all the kids measure that way, and is one reason better public screwls moved away from the ITBS system. Inaccurate assessment.
 
Second, private screwls don't pay as well as public screwls, and often offer no insurance benefits, or retirement. Therefore their teachers, a dime a dozen, are often either unqualified, or biding time until they can get a better paying public screwl job. If you know how poorly paid the public screwl positions are, you understand why that isn't exactly attractive, and more and more rarely do you find that individual who is both dedicated, and willing to make that often thankless sacrifice.
 
Third, private screwls usually don't have the best quality books, computers, lab equipment, etc. Often, they use discards from nearby public screwls, or donations.
 
Fourth, parents are expected to participate and help with all kinds of fundraisers, so your tuition doesn't totally pay the bill. Anything and everything extra, you have to pay for, atop the tuition bill. Furthermore "full pays" can do less wrong than "partial pays and get away with it." Meaning the kid of a full pay kid will only recieve a friendly scolding for an activity that would get your partial pay kid expelled. Your partial pay kid can receive a letter of warning for misconduct which a full pay kid won't.
 
If you, as a parent of a partial pay, begin to ask administrative questions of the private screwl management, you may find yourself banned from campus. Full pays are totally accomodated and patronized, at least with lip service, for the same concerns.
 
This is a subject that Americans would do well to have a book on. But then fewer people have time to read, and the internet is replacing books. Lord knows, the internet is filled with great things, and an equal amount of bogus fraud, because it is no skin off anyone's nose to publish bogus fraud, like the investment, and therefore need for accuracy a book requires.

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From: Old CootSent: 11/4/2008 12:55 PM
Pikes, thank you very much for your response. I believe you. Do you feel that the same pretty much applies to church run schools.

oc..

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/4/2008 3:57 PM
Yes, in terms of their ability to pay their teachers. Sadly, low pay rarely attracts strong talent; a mistake education industry-wide makes.
 
Americans decry the poor state of their schools, but don't seem to understand application of their own measurement of decent pay to attract top candidates.
 
I believe church run schools are more likely to have their hearts in the right place though, even if they can't financially compensate their teachers adequately. However, they are also beseiged by parents with children who were behaviorally expelled from public screwls, who must find an alternative. Often, the children haven't connected their behavior with their expulsion, and thus, continue to misbehave in their new venue. Sadly, the apple often falls close to the tree, and the parents of these students are often just as badly behaved in their adult way.

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/4/2008 9:15 PM
Pikes, I was trying to get Bob here to see the pictures of Hanging Lake. He did come back, but not in time to see those pix. Could I impose on you again to show us the Hanging Lake photos? Bob has done a lot of hiking in Washington State as well as diving around the world. Sorry to impose....

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/5/2008 4:17 AM
No sweat, Xer.
 
How about this awakening of America?

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/5/2008 5:00 AM
Gooood mooorning A - mer - i - ca!!!!

barack is talking now..............

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From: MSN NicknameGratefulDiverSent: 11/9/2008 2:35 PM
Pikes, BEAUTIFUL SHOTS! I checked out your whole photo album. Love 'em.
 
Hey Coot ... Greenville, WHERE? I graduated from Greenville H.S. (TN) in 1970.
 
Nice to see y'all ... haven't been around much these past few months.
 
... Bob (Grateful Diver)

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From: The GryphonSent: 11/9/2008 4:05 PM
Bob!!!!   I'm just blown away by the photos you posted!   I'm also very envious of your comfort under the water.   I can barely swim, so I sure do appreciate it when someone can show me the beauty I'm missing by being unable to Dive. 
 
Thank you! 

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