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From: MSN Nickname_Xer  (Original Message)Sent: 11/7/2008 10:02 PM
For those of you with 'regular' jobs with 'normal' hours... Have a lovely weekend.

We'll be celebrating mom's birthday after-the-fact this Saturday with mom and my elder sis. Mom loves Chinese food, and she loves watching my wife's students perform. So, Saturday afternoon we are going to the Crossroads Mall in Bellevue for a performance. Beforehand, we will enjoy a snack at a small South Indian place in the food court of the mall. Mom loves Indian food too (remember we've taken her to India twice). After the performance, we are going to the International District in Seattle for Chinese food. Mom's already tickled pink just anticipating it all.

Right now, I need to head over to the hospital for some cardio-therapy. They love to close up and slip out early on Fridays, so I gotta run now.

Best,
Xer


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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/12/2008 8:43 AM
Who did you think I was talking about?

Wasn't sure. Could have been still President Bush?

What I'd love to have gotten a photo of, but never did, is a yeti riding a yak. Now, that would'a been a cool shot. Equivalent to looking up a tornado's... er nose?

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/12/2008 8:45 AM
...and y'all love me anyhoo.

Right?



Roger that, sweet thang!

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/12/2008 6:31 PM
You know what was freaky about that tornado, is at the store (about a mile away),
I saw this storm coming out of the northwest, headed southeast, and it had a significant about of pea green, and a whipped looking wall cloud. There were fairly large hailstones falling in the parking lot- just here and there, but they were golf ball sized. While I raced home, I turned on the radio, and a tornado warning had been issued. When I got home, I raced inside to get the camera. When I went outside, the shot I took (several of them) was looking straight up, and it was dead calm. Spooky calm.
 
While I know we were lucky, tornados happening here are rare, and if they touch down, it is very brief. East, away from the mountains is another story. Usually conditions that form tornados, which occur here regularly in early summer, also tear the storms apart before they can really crank up, so we get a lot of hail instead. The steering winds off the mountains do that. But ~50 miles to the east, the storms can rebuild, and out there, without the mountain steering winds, the storms start rotating without anything to tear them apart, and those head off into Kansas and Oklahoma, were we read about the havoc they usually cause.

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From: KC KittySent: 11/12/2008 8:21 PM
Don't I know it.  I live in Tornado Alley in the Land of Oz.  If I looked up and saw what you took that photo of, I would have grabbed Toto and...
 
1.  Suffered a heart attack
2.  Lost my house
3.  Been sucked up into oblivion
 
KC

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/12/2008 8:50 PM
What causes that green color in the air before some storms? I've always thought it was electricity in the air. Since you have such a broad base of knowledge, Pikes, perhaps you can tell me?

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/13/2008 3:46 AM
Xer, this is an educated guess, from lots of observation of storms, and some understanding of what happens inside them.
 
Blue green, or pea green is a result of light refraction, due to water movement in the air inside the storm.
 
The bluegreen color occurs when updrafts and downdrafts occur, but rotation can't get generated. Dewpoint and humidity also play a role in the dispersal of water, scattering light. Since the water droplets are more condensed, light wavelengths are absorbed, except for blue, which has shorter wavelengths. Storm energy is released as hail.
 
Pea green occurs with mesocyclones because of higher dewpoint, humidity, and most importantly, rotation, which scatters the light differently, The water droplets are less dense, and allow wavelengths beyond blue to penetrate, not be absorbed, and some color in the next primary spectrum, the yellows, influence the blue, resulting in the distinctive tendency toward a more greenish hue, with the yellow and blue in combination.

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From: MSN NicknameneverCominHomeSent: 11/13/2008 5:40 PM
When I lived on a farm in MI, I recall one BADBOY thunderstorm, and the sky went a funky orange...the hairs on my arms stood straight up...and POW lightning hit the pasture right next to my porch.  And the smell....talk about scary...

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/14/2008 7:26 PM
That's likely a good guess. Thanks, Pikes. When still living in Houston, generally every year or two, I would notice the air turn green before it rained, not necessarily the clouds overhead, but the air. In all these years it's only happened once in the Northwest that I've seen. Green air and a quiet stillness before the rain comes gives me a sort of spooky feeling.

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/14/2008 7:37 PM
Hum, not spooky really. I mean not like Ichabod Craneish. But, more like a creepy feeling?

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/15/2008 4:07 AM
My family went on vacation to the SE, and spent the night at Mammoth Cave, at the old Mammoth Cave Hotel.
 
We took the new Violet City Lantern tour, which requires guests to carry kerosene lanterns, seeing Mammoth Cave the way it was seen before electricity.
 
When the tour ended, on the way back to our room, we saw bright green, almost irridescent cirrus clouds. Never before saw anything remotely like that. I took pictures of them, but the colors were not visible in the pictures, when we could finally view them. We went to our room, and changed clothes, in preparation to find a place for dinner. When we went outside, I saw dark scud, just above the trees, moving very fast, and knew what was about to happen. I hurried the family back inside our room, and had them huddle between the beds, pulling a mattress over the space in between. Then the power went out, and it was really dark. The power remained out until the next day.
 
My idiot wife (bless her sometimes pointed head) went to the door, and walked outside, because she "wanted to see what was happening." I yelled at her to get back inside, and close the door, and she got really mad at me, and started in that she just wanted to see. There is a big difference between calculated risk curiosity and life-threatening ignorance. The kids screamed at her to listen, and while she came back inside, she was in a foul mood, and didn't believe me. Midwest tornados are nothing to mess with. We were surrounded by forest, and without any way to see for any "good" distance, I knew we might be in some real trouble. She was in a foul mood with me the rest of the night (we don't exactly "get along.") I didn't care. I kept the kids as calm as possible, assuring them that we'd be OK, that we were in a stone building, as "interior" as we could get, and the worst was probably over. In my heart, I was not so sure. I stayed awake all night, just in case.
 
Emily (daughter) and I saw a dense white "rain curtain" pass outside the back window, in the forest behind the hotel. At the same time, the wind came up, but only for a moment, really intense in the forest. The hotel room was in something of a depression, so it was a little protected, but the back window was large, and a concern for me. The bathroom was "not" as interior.
 
Next morning, there were uprooted and downed trees all over- big oaks and other hardwoods, to 3 or 4 feet in diameter. We walked around, somewhat in shock from the damage in the forest, and took lots of pictures of it. Driving out of the park, there were limbs and debris scattered everywhere. Cave City had a number of buildings with missing roofs, and collapsed walls. Duh.
 
That "rain curtain" we saw, was probably the tornado. We were lucky. My wife never apologised, or seemed to understand the situation.
 
Of all people, she should know better. She was "in" the EF5 Xenia, Ohio tornado in 1974, when it went through Randolph County, Indiana, before crossing the state line. That was in her "druggie" years though, and I don't believe she saw much damage from that tornado, or paid attention to it.

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/15/2008 8:50 AM

wow!


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From: Old CootSent: 11/17/2008 8:38 PM
wow squared

oc...

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From: The GryphonSent: 11/18/2008 12:12 AM
The first Tornado I ever survived was in southern Missouri when I was a Junior in High School back in 1964.  Daddy had moved us there (from New Mexico) a few months' prior to start a "Recreational Farm" on 80 acres in the Ozarks he'd purchased (where visitors could "experience the Farm Life" complete with horseback riding, camping, fishing, and helping with "farm chores.")  When the tiny radio that Daddy liked to carry in his shirt pocket said "Run for cover, Tornado coming!" Daddy pulled open the storm cellar door (for the FIRST time since we'd moved in,) and ordered my two sisters, Mom, and me into the dark recesses of that "shelter."  
 
Spider webs!!!!   I would rather face a Tornado head on, than risk having one of those "creepy crawlies" touching me!   When I hesitated at the top of the steps, frozen in fear of the potential vampiric spiders that were sure to be lurking below in the dark, Daddy grabbed me by shirt collar and belt loops, and tossed me down the steps into the cellar.....  Sisters and Mom followed shortly thereafter, and Daddy came last, closing the door behind him. 
 
In one way, I was glad for the dark (Daddy had the only flashlight, and he wasn't shining it into the back where I was quietly freaking out,) but I was still thinking a bunch of wind could not be worse than what I couldn't see lurking around me in that darkness. 
 
As the Tornado passed over us, the sound was indescribable (yes, sort of like a train, but not really....,) but what I remember most was the temporary inability to BREATHE!!!    Nobody ever mentions that part of a Tornado. 
 
After the Tornado blew past, and it got strangely quiet outside, Daddy struggled to push up the door of the storm cellar (debris had piled upon it).   Our house was still standing, as was the brand new Barn Daddy had had built starting days after we moved in.  The old, dilapidated barn was down (which was a GOOD thing, Daddy had nearly burned out the transmission in his Tractor trying to PULL it down thinking to prevent injuries if it fell down on our heads!)  It took some time to round up the Horses and the cow and her calf after the storm, but they were all uninjured.  Apparently, they'd run to the farthest portion of our property, where the Tornado didn't touch down....   Even the chickens had weathered the Tornado by finding shelter in the new barn. 
 
Grandfather used to say, "Every Experience Offers Instruction.  Up to each individual to extract Knowledge from that Experience!"  
 
I learned that Tornadoes can be very scary (un-related to the terrific winds,) Mom learned that treasures can be stashed in unexpected places (the storm cellar was a cache of canned goods from previous residents,)  and Sisters learned a new way to torment me (teasing me about multi-legged creatures.) 
 
Now, here I am, Decades later, living about 200 miles south of that old farm in Missouri, still in the Ozark Mountains, and still keeping an ear to the radio for Tornado Warnings!   I don't have a storm shelter here at this house, and would probably not get into it anyway (since I'm still afraid of spiders...,) and have weathered a couple of Tornadoes here in Arkansas. 
 
I'd still rather live in an area with the occasional Tornado, than live where the Earth Shakes or Hurricanes level or Blizzards Blast...... 
 
Thanks, Pikes, for inadvertantly leading me down Memory Lane..... 
 

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/18/2008 2:41 AM
Shaking ground ain't as likely to kill me as a tornado. This far north, our ground shakers can't even begin to compare with the ones in Cali-forn-i-a-o. I like here very much. After having seen most of the Continental US, by the age of twenty-one, I decided I'd make the Pacific Northwest my home for life. Have never regretted it for one single minute! After a couple of years, you hardly even notice the omnipresent rain. You even get used to the moss and mildew after a while... and the webbing between fingers and toes is hardly even noticeable at first. After a while, you forget what it was even like to not have it! No, you can keep them tornadoes, thank you very much.

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From: MSN Nickname_XerSent: 11/18/2008 2:58 AM
Oh, Pikes, about your wife. Sorry, bud. Sounds like you married down. When I met my wife, who was beautiful and talented, both those attributes came behind her brilliant mind when I started thinking about marriage. Physical beauty passes with time, but a mind, if active, remains long after. I am so happy to have met this woman! To have such a mind for casual conversation with is an incredible blessing. One I enjoy every day we have together. I can't imagine life without her. Who could I possibly feel comfortable talking with every day?

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