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From: ŠĦłŅĚ¥ŜŦÅŖ  (Original Message)Sent: 1/1/2005 11:31 AM

I’ve been reading the testimonies & I’m crying -- they are great ! TY all for putting them here. I’m new to the room & community -- I feel like sharing my own testimony of sorts…it might be too “descriptive�? if so, I understand. & Sorry !~

I grew up in a very “Mixed�?home-- my mother was a strict Christian-- she always taught me about God & made sure I went to church every week. My father-- he went to church with us - put up a good “act�?to everyone…but at home - was very - very abusive.. One night he got angry, took out a gun & told us -this was it -he forced us into the car---taking us up into the mountains intending to kill us�?he told my mother to get out of the car- and my mother told me to Pray -I prayed so hard---I didn’t know what to do…I heard the gun go off & my father came back to the car alone. He told me that my mother was dead & that if I wanted to live - I would do what he wanted -- the sexual abuse had started when I was very young- I learned that it was one of the only things that would “calm�?him down…so, I was more than willing to do it --afterward he put the gun to my head & I thought well God this is really it - At least I’ll be with my mom. But, suddenly he stopped & told me to get into the car…I did & we drove down the mountain…on the way down - he seemed to calm down a lot --it was usually like that…he would pretend nothing had happened & expect us to do the same…he pulled over - turned around and started going back up - I was praying the whole time -- almost all the way back up - I saw my mom -- she wasn’t dead at all - she was walking back down -- we picked her up & went home-- he hadn’t shot her either…she was beat up - but fine -- my mother always told me that if I prayed…God would protect us --& I had a hard time seeing what God did-- after all --my father still got angry & we suffered - was that protecting us? The “Miracles�?were there though--even if I didn’t want to “see�?them --One time our car broke down & wouldn’t start again on the way to church -- my father got angry and my mom & I started praying ------we were at the bottom of a big hill - he told us to get out & start pushing the car-..we tried our best -and as the car got to the hill it suddenly started going up the hill by itself- my dad was in the drivers seat of the car -& when it got to the top we saw that the car wasn‘t started at all -my dad thought we had done it -that was the first real “Miracle�?I remember---but even so-- I started blaming God & my mom for what was happening…it was usually something “religious�?that started the arguments -my mother insisted on us always going to church - & was very set in her ways when it came to being a Christian…The only time she would “give in�?was when he would go after me…so, he did often-- we would call the police at times-- my father didn’t seem bothered by that tho- he had spent over 10 years in prison - before they had gotten married…at one time when I called 911 -- he took the phone away from me & talked to the police himself -- they came -- and left -- didn’t take him to jail at all & I suppose now looking back on it -- it was probley because my mother didn’t “press charges�?but at the time - I didn’t understand at all. I learned that there was no way out--I went to all Christian schools - & was baptized when my other friends decided to be & because my mom wanted me to be�?I can’t say I didn’t love God - I did -but, I didn’t think God loved me. Things remained the same for most of growing up -We didn‘t have any $$- my father wouldn’t get a job--so, we would resort to digging behind the grocery store’s in garbage cans at night for food…which worked- my mother would pray before we went - asking God to put something special in them--lol & who knows maybe God did�?The “anger�?of my father was consistant- I would beg him not to hurt my mother -- & would do sexual favors for him -- to get him to stop…I felt like it was just as much me- since I initiated it sometimes myself---I didn’t really hate him as weird as that may sound -- I was scared of him--yes but, when he wasn’t angry -- he was a very fun person to be around -- at church -- he would joke with my friends & they would tell me what a “cool�?dad I had…When I was 11 or 12 -- my dad took me to pick Baby’sBreath -- to sell - we went camping - these guys at the same site came & asked to borrow our shovel -my dad gave them one --the next day we were getting ready to leave & my dad went to them --and asked for his shovel back - the 2 men were drunk & refused to give it back- I was in the car waiting---my dad got angry --he came back to the car got his gun &

told them again to give the shovel back -they refused - I remember thinking they were so stupid not to just do what he said --he shot both of them- & we just left them there to die- He warned me not to tell anyone about it -we met my mom in town -- & the next day or so�?he went to the police station himself & told them that he was the one that had shot them- they put him into jail�?my mom & I stayed there for a few months--until somehow he convinced them that it was Self defense and they let him go…A little after that time -I was about 13 my Dad - left us…I have no clue why�?He moved to Arkansas --& I went to visit him in the summer-- --only occasionally he would start drinking & get angry…I would leave and spend the night with a boyfriend �?When I went back home in the Fall --my mother sent me to a Boarding School…she always had insisted I go to Christian schools…I felt very “unwanted�?I didn’t want to be there-- I wanted to be at home with my mom--The school - was very nice -- but, it cost a lot of money -$2000.00 a month for room & board/ food etc. that we couldn’t afford. I worked 8 hours a day after school to pay for it & then spent the summers there working to pay for the entrance fee’s to get back in---I was forced to go to the campus church - we didn’t get a choice to skip- & I always felt like that I wanted the chance to really decide for myself wither I wanted God in my life & never felt like I had a choice-- it was always expected …I felt something missing that I couldn’t get right�? Something good did come of going to boarding school - I met my husband there-- we dated all through high school. He was a spiritual leader type -he loved God & got me more involved in the spiritual aspects--- we would take walks & pray for our friends --he would give student week of prayers for the school--& I felt more at peace with God then--like God was real & a part of our life…We graduated -- & didn’t want to be separated --he lived 6 hours away from where my mom lived-- so we wouldn’t have gotten to be together --We didn’t really think things through -- we ran off & got married -- guess we figured that our parents would have to accept that we were together…which didn’t happen - we got a reality check when his mom said we couldn’t live there -- we stayed with his dad for a while -- until my husband came home one afternoon & said …Guess what I did today? I joined the Army ! I tried to talk him out of it -- but knew he was right ..we needed a way to live-- he left for boot camp & I stayed with my mom --who was doing a lot better--- she had met a very…very nice man - a pastor-- & had gotten re-married…It was nice to see her happy for once�?After my husband came back from boot camp - we went & got a house near the base he was stationed at -- I guess I expected us to get involved with church & for things to finally be good for us too…but, well Army life changed things-- my husband started smoking & drinking a lot -having friends over -- partying-- we stopped going to church alltogether--which actually felt nice in a way---we didn’t “Have�?to go anymore…my husband wanted to start a family & have kids--- but I was a bit scared -- I told him no- I didn’t want kids while he was in the military & gone so much- …�?he didn’t like being in the army either & couldn’t wait to get out…lol - We were married 5 years & then something unexpected happened-- On one of the weekends we went to his dads-- he wanted to make extra money - logging - & an accident happened �?he rolled the cat over and a log fell on him - killing him instantly - It was a hard time �?I still wonder -- God -? Is he there in heaven with you?…or did we mess that up when we stopped going to church & stopped praying�?I don’t know- I miss him a lot - but a long enough time has gone by-- that I’m not crying every night anymore-- well my story is going on and on-- I’ll try to fast forward a bit-- After…I started going back to church-- went to college -- & got a job teaching kindergarten at the local church school…I still felt like I was “pretending�?to be a Christian - I made sure I went to church & was hoping maybe God would notice--------& make himself more “Real�?somehow…but, things didn’t change - just got worse-- I found out something about the associate pastor & it became a huge issue �?I was asked to leave the church…At that point�?I said ---ok God -- so, you’re done with me!! -- you don’t want me in your church!! …You never have felt real!! …………�?no matter what I do -- it’s not good enough--- I’m Tired --------------------- just so --------Tired------- of pretending …�? Why can’t I be like other Christians? God -- ? You’re real to them!!…�?The only thing that half--way made me feel like I was getting things right -- was going to church every week & now --- well I’m not even welcome there anymore. So, I have to say --I gave up ! -------I said forget it ……You‘re done with me God..& I‘m done with You!! Good bye!!! A few years later ..I was walking in a big walkathon -- there were people on the sidelines holding signs -- & one of them said -- The Goddess Loves You! I had never seen that before! I wasn’t sure if they were joking or not - so, I stopped and asked more about it ..they said well- if you’re meant to learn about this path -- a teacher will come to you. I thought - hmm what a lousy blow off - & I went on my way…but a few days later - a friend of mine was getting married…It was a fast planned wedding - so, I was calling friends to invite them …going down the list -- there was someone I hadn’t talked to since I was a kid-- an old family friend…I called her up & we started talking -- she said hey- I know you are on a spiritual search in your life right now-- I’m wiccan we are a Nature based religion that worships the Goddess & my husband is a Magician …Why don’t you come here & live with us for awhile to learn…I thought instantly of the people at the walkathon & what they had said -- I thought wow--- amazing -- so�?I moved there to my friends house & got into Spiritulism - I started Meditations & doing Spiritual readings for people using Tarot Cards --at first with my Christian background - I didn’t believe in it really--but -I would ask people to be honest & tell me --if they were accurate�?amp; no one ever said no -- they all said wow your accuracy is amazing…I’d even do readings for Christian skeptics --- who just wanted to “Prove me wrong�?..they would leave with -- hmmm, how did she know & do that? I thought well this is what I’ve been wanting my whole life -- something REAL -- but, it wasn’t really worshiping a God or Goddess at all - at least I didn’t feel like I was--I had my favorite Goddess I prayed too -- but it was more to help guide my energies & meditations. It was more about me & the Magickal Energies -- Someone told me about spiritual circle chats on the computer & I thought it looked interesting so..I started coming to the religion section of the msn chatrooms. I would mostly go into the Ask A Witch room -- but, sometimes couldn’t help but wander into the Christian chats and listen to them praise God -I always felt sad -deep down I knew that God & Jesus were real --- and I was throwing my chances of Heaven away -but I was really lost -- didn’t know how to find God- The more I went into the christian chatrooms -- the more I knew what I was doing was wrong ..the time came when my friend wanted me to make a commitment into their Spiritual Group - I wanted to …I actually fit in there & was comfortable there�?.but -- my heart was saying No -- This isn’t right�?maybe it was God’s help. I told them no, I can’t -- and left…�?This is when God really started to work in my life�?I moved to a new town --- I found a job as a preschool teacher & went out and bought a very very tiny camping trailor & parked it 15 miles out of town in a small trailor park --I pretty much kept to myself -- didn’t have anyone over ever & didn’t have any friends…I thought maybe I could save enough for a bigger trailor--I looked at the other trailors in the park…all the big fancy ones with tip outs & I thought more as a joke ..lol someday �?.ya -- I’ll have one of those..but mine will have a washer & dryer in it too…I hadn’t been there long when one night my car started to break down -- It was like 10:30 at night & I thought oh no--- God -- help me please�?just help me make it to the trailor�?it did & I went in …laid down on my bed & started to cry .. I didn’t know what to do-- I didn’t have anyone to call for help -- I didn’t have any money at all to even ask anyone to tow it ………I didn’t know anyone at all ! I hadn’t been there long -- maybe 10 minutes�?amp; there was a knock on my door -- I thought oh..hmmmmmmm who could that be? No one ever came to visit me…I opened the door & was very surprised to see a friend of my husbands -- that I hadn’t seen for over 4 years --standing there…I don’t know how he knew where I lived …he said well I was just driving around & thought I’d come see how you were doing …I answered politely -- I’m ok …didn’t mention anything about my car -- didn‘t want to seem like I was desperate lol �?.& then he looked at my car and asked -- well how is your car been running?? --- of all the people --- this guy was a mechanic --I broke down & said awful-- my car just blew up…he said well let me look at it & then said your right, it is going to take too much for a quick fix -- I’ll tell you what -- you can buy this car that I’m driving right now -- I’ll come back tomorrow & you can come with me to my house & I’ll let you have it --just make payments when you can- …………�?I was in a shock -- I couldn’t believe what had just happened --- thought for a minute that it had been some kind of weird dream lol my car breaks down …at like 10:30 at night & the only mechanic that I’ve known that I hadn’t seen for over 4 years shows up out of the blue at that second & asks me how my car is & gives me another car? …�?.I thought God ??? Is that You ? Really taking care of me?? I knew it was …I didn’t understand why -- but -I cried & cried that whole night & got my bible out and started praying -- God really was there & he did care about me!!!!!!!!!!!! I decided to give God my whole heart forever !!! …�?.And things just got better ! A few weeks later the owners of the trailor park came to me & said we just bought a new house & there is a big 40 ft trailor on the property …you can buy it from us if you want…it’s really nice & has tip outs with a washer & dryer in it …lol -- now I was sold before seeing it even …yipppieeeeeeeeee A washer & dryer & tip outs !!!!!!!!! Nice hu ! That’s been about a year ago & I feel better with God than I ever have�?I’m not leaving again--------- I have a lot of things I need to work on & at times I still feel lost …but with God we can get through it together --I’ve been working on dealing with the things in my past lately --it’s been hard & I’ve had a lot of flashbacks --& Emotional breakdowns ..God & prayer�?has helped me through it�?I love God with my whole heart ---and know that God does answer Prayer & does care about even me!!! Thankyou for reading on and on ----with my long testimony --- With God All things are Possible & God in His time will make everything like it should be!!

Love ya ~JULIE~



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From: CherylSSent: 1/2/2005 5:52 AM

wow Julie, thanks for your testimony. Just a couple of things...because you have been in all this spiritual wiccan stuff....do you have a church to go too now? As this is important, you need to go and get some good teaching, and make new friends, you need fellowship and bible study. Remember, if you have truly made a commitment to God....He won;t ever walk away from you!!!! but you have to come to Him, and confess to Him, and above all Trust Him!  God Bless, you, Cheryl S




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From: MSN NicknameMrsteddybear8Sent: 1/2/2005 3:38 PM





wow julie....I read your whole story yesterday. I had to let it sink in..did u get christian counseling..any one to go though what u went though should have it..my childhood was bad also...kinda different from urs..I did get tons of counseling ...Im not ready to tell my story yet...but I did my comsellor...Im not getting counseling now...but doing great....love the lord...and always believed in him...even when life gets tough...with god all things are possible...I do believe that...need to talk Im here....my email is  [email protected]

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