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Tripz   Post subject: Information required.Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:13 am 
 
 
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Location: SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH, IN A WORLD OF LIES  I'm interested in the JT abduction statement. So if you could be of help would you mind posting as many newspaper/TV reports that detailed JTs movements and sighting on the 3/5...Please could you add the source to these reports..Thanks. 
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Bumpkin   Post subject: Re: Information required.Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:25 am 
 
 
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Jane Tanner, late leaving her apartment for dinner because one of her children was ill, said she saw a man carrying a child in his arms in the vicinity of the McCann apartment at 9.15pm, but thought nothing of it at the time. Gerry McCann returned to the restaurant at 9.25pm, having stopped to talk to an acquaintance, who confirmed this.
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Thus the most important clue to the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance was initially ignored. At around 9:15, another friend, Jane Tanner, emerged from her own villa to see a white man in beige trousers—five feet six, brown hair (longer in the back), and perhaps 35, she later told the police. In his arms he cradled a child wearing pink-and-white pajamas.
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The story corroborates the certification of a friend of the McCann couple, Jane Tanner, that already had said previously to Polícia Judiciária (PJ) to have seen, in the night of the disappearance of Madeleine (3 of May), a man to hastily go down the street with a child rolled in a blanket, significantly to the same hour. The route that will have been taken the foot, passes for the front of the entrance of the enterprise where the parents if found it supper in this night, and later for a supermarket, that by this time already would be closed. More below, in direcção to the beach, it meets Church of Our Mrs. of the Conceição, already close to the beach.

    
 
 
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Jane Tanner was the only one to see a man carrying a child in a blanket towards the beach. However, the Tapas 9 drank about eight bottles of red and four bottles of white wine. I’m surprised they could see anything! Tanner changed her story four months later, claiming the child was wearing pink pyjamas and the man was heading towards Murat’s house.
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mexx   Post subject: Re: Information required.Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:42 am 
 
 
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Posts: 1418  Is it possible that JT did see GM carry Madeleine from the apartment at approx 9.15 on
evening of 3 May......did GM pass Madeleine to an accomplice - perhaps DP (Murat's look-a-like) BEFORE Jeremy Wilkins bumped into him and stopped him for a chat?
At 10.00 p.m. Dianne Webster thought it was a hoax, one of their games. Easily possible for GM to chat to JW without seeming worried because he wasn't.
Is it also possible that DP was unaware of what he was doing.....did DP and JT and rest of group think it was JUST a game? A sort of pass the parcel, and the last in line removed Madeleine from the scene?

    
 
 
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HiDeHo   Post subject: Re: Information required.Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:50 am 
 
 
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Posts: 756  I will add more to PEOPLE/TAPAS 7 in Madeleine Group as I find them..
http://groups.msn.com/madeleinemccann/tapas7.msnw

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AUG 11- 24 Horas JT declarations to the Police casts doubt on the McCanns
Jane Tanner's declarations to the Police casts doubt on the McCanns
Key witness that claimed the kidnapping backwards
The Portuguese police still believe that Gerry and Kate are connected to the disappearance of the daughter. This conviction was strengthened with the visit to England. A couple's friend also helped
The thesis of the eventual abduction of Madeleine McCann was compromised by the interrogatories made this week in Leicester, England. The key witness that claimed that Maddie was taken wrapped in a blanket by a man on the 3rd of May of 2007 from a flat in Praia da Luz, Algarve, was heavily shaken when she admitted to the authorities that she only left the Tapas Bar, where she dinned with the McCanns and more six friends, after the alarm given by Kate. Jane Tanner admits that she saw a person before she went to dine but she did not see with precision what that person was carrying and it could be a simple tenant of the Ocean Club. "It was a precious deposition because it permits to concentrate the investigation in only one line, meaning that Maddie's parents are involved in the disappearance of the child direct or indirectly", said to 24 Horas a high judicial responsible connected to the process. According to the same source, "the thesis of an eventual abduction is more and more weak".
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NOV 16 - JT Lies (trannyfattyacid)
16/11/07
http://trannyfattyacid.blogspot.com/200 ... links.html
All day the BBC radio has been running trailers for Panorama, and have been quoting Jane Tanner.
The Daily Mail picks up the story:
""I have not spoken because the Portuguese police told us not to talk about these things at all.
"From day one we have done everything we could to help them with the investigation. Maybe I am talking now because I have been called a liar and a fantasist.""
Ok let's see if she is a fantasist and a liar.
Take the drawing of the abductor. In some descriptions the child is said to be wrapped in a blanket, and the drawing would appear to support this. And it would appear that the implication is that this blanket is the pink blanket that Madeleine used as a comforter.
However there is a fly in the ointment, in the form of this report from the Times:
"Silvia Batisa, head of administration at the complex, helped to comfort the family and interpret their interviews with the police: “The parents were devastated, in a panic. They wanted more police and dogs immediately. Kate said all the time, ‘Please find my daughter�?and ‘Madeleine is beautiful�?�?
She recalled that the twins were still asleep in their two cots and there was the small, bright pink wool blanket that Madeleine likes to hold when she sleeps. “We walked out quickly so as not to wake up the twins. The parents immediately said, ‘She’s been kidnapped�?�?said Batisa."
And consider this from the Daily Mail today:
""I went out the front door of our apartment (on the night Madeleine disappeared) and I saw Rachel saying Madeleine had gone," she told the BBC.
"And then I saw Kate and Fiona (Payne, another of the McCann's friends) running around shouting 'Madeleine', and Kate said to me, 'Jane, Madeleine's gone, Madeleine's gone'.
"And that's the first I heard."
That was at around 10pm, she said, admitting she was not sure of the exact time."
Which would suggest that Jane Tanner is now claiming that she was not at the Tapas bar when the alarm was raised. She would seem to be suggesting that she was in her apartment.
This would seem to directly contradict all previous statements with regard to timing.
And she repeats that she saw the 'abductor' at around 9.15pm. This despite two independent witnesses, and Gerry McCann, saying that they saw neither Jane Tanner or this mystery man.
""I know what I saw and I think it's important that people know what I saw because I believe Madeleine was abducted.""
Of course none of this has anything to do with Panorama broadcasting this program to mark the 200th day since Madeleine disappeared. Quite why the BBC is allowing itself to be used in this way is open to question. Sure Panorama has every right to examine the issue. But why choose to air the program on the 200th day?
Especially as the BBC has largely choosen to ignore the story, claiming that it does not want to add to the feeding frenzy of rumour. And yet chooses to broadcast an interview with Jane Tanner, whose evidence is widely considered as partial and suspect.
However it remains to be seen whether the BBC will allow questions to raised as to the validity of Ms Tanner's statements. Or if this will be yet another opportunity for the McCann's to broadcast prooganda; this time at the licence fee payers expense.
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Maddy may have been killed: police
Evening Standard
Published: August 20, 2007, 23:37
".....Jane Tanner has already told detectives that she saw a man walking away from the apartment carrying a child in a blanket. Ms Tanner now thinks the child could have been Madeleine...."

http://groups.msn.com/madeleinemccann/t ... 9758384682
Friday, November 16, 2007
Jane Tanner Interview/CBS 48 Hours 11.16.07
Owen Williams on Nov 16 -
This is the woman who believes she was the last person to see Madeleine McCann alive.
Holidaymaker Jane Tanner claims to have seen a man carrying the missing British toddler in his arms away from the Portuguese resort where she disappeared in May.
She has spoken exclusively to a US television show that has investigated the tot’s whereabouts. The programme, 48 Hours Mystery, airs tomorrow / tonight (Sat Nov 17).
But in a preview shown in the States today (Fri Nov 16), she opens up about the sighting for the first time.
She said: “I never in a million years thought it could have been Madeleine.
“I just saw somebody walking across the top of the road, and that person was carrying a child.�?BR>Madeleine, now four, went missing from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3 while her parents Gerry McCann and wife Kate, dined nearby at a tapas bar.
The woman - one of the so-called ‘tapas seven�?- says she saw the man carrying a child wearing pink pyjamas, the same colour as Madeleine’s.

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Madeleine McCann Witness Consumed by Guilt For Not Reporting Man
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By Lynda Johnson
May 28, 2007
Madeleine McCann was spotted by a woman on the night she disappeared in Portugal. At the time, she just did not did not realize the significance of what she was seeing, reports now claim and guilt is consuming her. The vital witness, a close friend of Kate and Gerry McCann, was on her way to join Madeleine’s parents for dinner at the tapas bar when she saw a man with a blonde girl wrapped in a blanket.

Madeleine McCann Witness Consumed by Guilt For Not Reporting Man
The scene is eerie. On the night Maddie was snatched, she saw a man with a blonde girl wrapped in a blanket. She was wearing “distinguishable�?pink pajamas, the woman has told police. At the time she thought it was odd, but only realized to her horror too late that it was probably Madeleine.
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Also, The woman saw the man close to the open window of the bedroom where Madeleine, then 3, had been sleeping with her two-year-old twin brother and sister, Sean and Amelie. It is being described as the clearest evidence yet about what happened on the night Madeleine disappeared 25 days ago.
This will bring more criticism to Portugal cops. The friend reported the sighting to police immediately but detectives released the description only after Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister in waiting, intervened last week. Despite the three-week delay, hundreds of people have called police with information. What is wrong with these investigators?
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The man is white, 35 to 40 years old, of medium build and 5ft 10in. He has short hair and was wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.
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Months later, when the Cooperman sketch (face only) was released, Clarence Mitchell told us that Jane Tanner was 75% certain this was the man she saw abducting Madeleine.
 
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Revealed: what happened the night Madeleine went missing
Daily Mail. Last updated at 10:11 24 August 2007
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Fifteen minutes earlier, at 9.15pm, a friend of the McCanns, Jane Tanner, who had gone to check on her children, saw a man walking away from the Ocean Club resort carrying a small child. Ms Tanner later described the pyjamas the girl was wearing - matching the description of those worn by Madeleine on the night.
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A family friend of Gerry and Kate McCann has told police she saw a blonde-haired girl being carried away from an Algarve holiday apartment wrapped in a blanket at the time Madeleine is believed to have been snatched from her room.
The key witness, who is wracked with guilt, was on her way to dinner with Gerry and Kate McCann when she saw the man close to the open window of the bedroom where four-year-old Madeleine had been sleeping. The girl he was carrying was wearing pink pyjamas, the same as Madeleine's.
Her statement, which is the clearest evidence to date about what happened to Madeleine on the night she disappeared 25 days ago, comes as it was revealed that Mr and Mrs McCann are hoping to meet the Pope to discuss the plight of their daughter.
The parents, both strong Catholics, are expected to attend a general audience in Rome on Wednesday. It will be the start of a series of visits the couple are planning to make around Europe to keep Madeleine’s case in the public eye in the hope that she may still be found.

Clarence Mitchell, the Foreign Office liaison officer for the family, is helping the McCanns plan the trip. “I can confirm that approaches have been made to Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor and to the British ambassador to the Holy See and we are certainly exploring the possibility of Gerry and Kate McCann visiting Rome to meet the Pope in the near future,�?he said.
The family friend said she had see the man at 9.30pm as she arrived late for dinner with Madeleine’s parents and other friends at a tapas restaurant on the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz where they were all staying.
She did not realise the significance until Kate McCann went to check on her children, Madeleine and two-year-old twin brother and sister, Sean and Amelie, 30 minutes later and discovered her elder daughter was missing. Madeleine had been wearing pink and white pyjamas with Eeyore on them.
The friend immediately reported the sighting to police but detectives only released the description after Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister in waiting, intervened with the Portuguese authorities last week.
Despite the three week delay hundreds of people have called police with information since the description was released on Friday night. The man is white, approximately 35 to 40 years old, of medium build and 5ft 10ins tall. He had short hair and was wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.
At least one witness has reported seeing a person carrying a child close to the church in Praia da Luz, about 700 metres from the Ocean Club. Mrs McCann and her husband, Gerry, yesterday made one of their regular visits to the Catholic service at the Our Lady of Light church where prayers were said for the safe return of their daughter.
A police source said that the friend who believes she saw Madeleine being carried away was in the group of three British couples and a single woman who had travelled with the McCanns to Portugal. She thought the man’s behaviour was unusual but assumed it was a father taking his sleeping daughter home had no reason at the time to think it was suspicious.
“She thought it was odd, but thought it was the man’s own child. He was walking urgently, neither running or walking but something in between,�?said the source.
“It was only when Kate said that Madeleine had gone that she made the connection. She had seen enough to make her believe it was Madeleine and she had described the pyjamas, which were distinguishable.�?/DIV>
“She feels guilty that she was the last person to see Madeleine and didn't do anything, but there is no sense of hostility (from the McCanns),�?said the police source. “They don’t blame the woman, they feel sorry for her. But she feels guilty that she was the last person to see Madeleine.�?/DIV>
Mrs McCann and her husband, Gerry, are convinced this was the abductor and were angry at the delay in publicising the description.
“In the view of the parents this sighting was Madeleine was being taken,�?said the police source. “They have has put a timeline together which they have presented to police and believe this was Madeline. That is why they have never believed she had wandered off.�?/DIV>
 
Mrs McCann discovered her daughter was missing when she entered her ground-floor bedroom at 10pm. It is believed that Madeleine was taken between 9.10pm and 9.15pm.
The rear patio doors to the apartment had been left unlocked to allow easy access for regular checks by the parents in the group. The other parents made entered the apartment after 9.10pm to check that the children were asleep but had not actually gone in to the bedroom to avoid waking them.
Mrs McCann, a locum GP from Rothley in Leicestershire, realised something was wrong when she entered the apartment as an internal door blew shut. She found the window in the bedroom had been opened and its shutter raised. The pink soft toy cat which Madeleine carried with her everywhere was still in the room.
Mr and Mrs McCann, both 38, had grown increasingly frustrated about the failure of the Portuguese police to make a public appeal for sightings of the abductor. When their friend returned home she repeated the statement to Leicester police, which is coordinating the inquiry in Britain and regards her as the “principal witness�?
The police source admitted: “The officers who were first given the description just did not seem interested and they just seemed to have filed it away.�?/DIV>
Mr McCann, a consultant cardiologist, last week had several telephone conversations with Mr Brown after the Chancellor promised to help the couple. The pair have formed a close bond because Mr Brown’s elder son, John, is slightly younger than Madeleine and they both come from Scotland.
British Government officials put pressure on their counterparts in Lisbon for the suspect’s description to be released despite the appeal breaching strict Portuguese laws covering the secrecy of police investigations.
Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa of the Policia Judiciaria said: “The parents of Madeleine had already asked us to reveal the details that could help with the investigation. The release of the detail was authorised by the public prosecutor�?
Mr Sousa said that since the appeal was made the calls from the public “are almost exclusively about the description we have released.�?/DIV>
Portuguese police still have only one official suspect, Ralph Murat. His house is less than 100 metres from where Madeleine was snatched and he worked as an official police translator in the investigation into her abduction.
The police source said that detectives had studied computers taken from the villa that Mr Murat, 33, shares with his mother had found evidence of links to websites featuring paedophile pornography and bestiality. However, there was no material linking him to Madeleine’s abduction and detectives have been unable to gather enough evidence to arrest him. The source said that Mr Murat has “a very interesting and relevant sexual history.�?/DIV>
Mr Murat, an estate agent, insisted yesterday: “It isn’t me. But the description is so vague that it won't put me out of the picture. I hope that I will soon be in a position to clear my name.�?/DIV>
“It has been almost two weeks since my life was turned upside down by these allegations and I am on tenterhooks about what will happen now they have released this.�?/DIV>
Mr McCann has said anyone suspected in the case should be assumed innocent until convicted by a court.
Mr Murat’s estranged wife, Dawn, said she had been twice visited by police at her home in Hockering, Norfolk.
Mrs Murat said that officers asked about Mr Murat's state of mind. "They wanted to know if he was under any stress and did I have any fears about him.
“I've had to explain to my little girl why her Daddy is on the TV in our sitting room all day. I'm convinced Robert is innocent. He would never hurt a child."
She said her husband had called her 15 hours after Madeline disappeared and asked to speak to their daughter. After they spoke Dawn said: “Rob told me how much better he felt now that he had heard her voice. He said he knew she was safe.�?/DIV>
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The story corroborates the certification of a friend of the McCann couple, Jane Tanner, that already had said previously to Polícia Judiciária (PJ) to have seen, in the night of the disappearance of Madeleine (3 of May), a man to hastily go down the street with a child rolled in a blanket, significantly to the same hour.
The route that will have been taken the foot, passes for the front of the entrance of the enterprise where the parents if found it supper in this night,
and later for a supermarket, that by this time already would be closed.
More below, in direcção to the beach, it meets Church of Our Mrs. of the Conceição,
already close to the beach.
 
this seems a very different, interesting route
It does'nt sound like Jane's version
Past the entrance to the Ocean Club (Where Gerry was standing)
Past the supermarket (Where the dogs picked up the scent)
Past the church
Close to the beach (where Smith saw someone)

    
 
 
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Respect4Kids   Post subject: Re: Information required.Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:37 am 
 
 
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Posts: 687  Morning Tripz, while I was looking for a particular footage of Gerry describing the "abductor", I found this:
hope it can be of help.
" MAN'S DESCRIPTION
White
5ft 7ins
Medium build
Short hair
Wearing a dark jacket, beige trousers and dark shoes
Carrying "a child or an object that could have been taken as a child" "
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tdee   Post subject: Re: Information required.Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:52 am 
 
 
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Location: i am a lost soul!  Key witness Jane Tanner saw a dark-haired man carrying away a child wearing pink floral pyjamas about the time that the four-year-old vanished from her parents' holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7098390.stm
with video
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There is another conundrum too. It concerns the sighting by Jane Tanner of the man carrying a child. He was wearing beige trousers and smart black shoes. Her report is taken seriously by police
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/arti ... ldren.html
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Jane Tanner, 37
Dr O'Brien's partner. She arrived late at the tapas bar after treating their sick daughter.
On the way, she passed the McCanns' apartment and saw a man carrying a child. Crucially, her description of the child's clothes matched Madeleine's pink pyjamas
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Ms Tanner did not see the man's face - but the sketch shows him to be slim and of southern European or Mediterranean origin. He has unkempt, jet black hair plastered back across his head and the slight hint of a beard around his chin.
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Minutes before the alarm was raised, Ms Tanner saw a man carrying a child away from the Mark Warner holiday complex in Praia da Luz.
She revealed she did not get a close look at his face and was unsure whether she could identify him.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liv ... -20133858/
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Jane Tanner told the program, "As I was walking up the road, this man ... was walking across the top of the road, carrying a small child. And the thing that I noticed the most was he was holding her, and I could see her bare feet . . . and the bottom of the pajamas. ... It was just complete shock and complete horror that, you know, I might have seen Madeline being abducted."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/ ... ated_story
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She said she spotted the man striding from the area of the McCann's apartment but had not realised the relevance of what she saw at the time.
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Posts: 1321  Oh for goodness sake!
So JT sees someone walking from the direction of Mccs apartment, and does nothing?
Not even check her own children (also near Mcs apartment), or goes to Tapas & says I think we all ought to check on our children?
I´m sorry, but if this was someone walking with a child they had just kidnapped, I can´t help thinking there would have been something odd in their behaviour.
Something to make you check your own children, and to tell your friends to do the same.
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