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Misc Blogs : ANORAK - Nov 12 -Immigration: Brown And Livingstone Split PMerchant email
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From: MSN Nicknametin-lizzy  (Original Message)Sent: 3/23/2008 6:31 PM

Immigration: Brown And Livingstone Split

DIZZY notes: “Internal split over integration and immigration looms for Brown.�?/P>

According to the Government, in order to ensuring that immigrants to Britian are integrated we need to amongst other things, cut translation service and teach english, introduce lessons on British life, as well as providing guidance for social norms so immigrants can adapt to British life. The Government takes such matters so seriously in relation to community cohesion that they have increased the spending on such projects from £2 million to £50 million.

Meanwhile, the London Mayor, Ken Livingstone, has just finished a consultation called “London Enriched: the Mayor’s draft strategy for refugee integration in London�?which makes clear that the Mayor believes integration is “not about adapting to a given norm�? One of Livingstone’s official’s made this clear at a recent meeting of London Council’s saying that as far as the Mayor was concerned there should be no notion that foreign migrants to Brtain should adapt to existing norms in the defintion of integration.

It’s well known that these two men despise each other, the question is which one will win? Lord Protector Brown or King Newt Livingstone?

Posted: 12th, November 2007 | In: Twitterings - Best Of The Web. Follow the Comments on our RSS feed: RSS 2.0

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    carol Says:
    November 12th, 2007 at 11:54 pm

    I have consent from the sender of this email. and I think you should read it I am so ashamed that my country should act and talk in this way it is disgusting.

    The senders email is at the bottom then you will understand the MEP,s reply

    Carol Barlow

    From: Piers Merchant ([email protected])
    You may not know this sender. Mark as safe | Mark as unsafe
    Sent: 12 November 2007 15:08:38
    Reply-to: [email protected]
    To: ************)
    Roger Knapman MEP has asked me to thank you for your email and to reply as he is currently travelling to Strasbourg. First I should advise you, for your own good, to be very cautious about circulating potentially high libellous statements about Kate and Gerry McCann. The law of defamation applies to email and the internet. Secondly your suggestion that the Prime Minister is involved in some sort of conspiracy involving a clandestine cover-up is absurd. It is a wild allegation with no evidence at all. One of the first duties of the British government is to support its citizens abroad. It is therefore entirely correct that the government should do this in the case of Kate and Gerry McCann. One of the elements of this supporty is to protect British citizens against the actions of foreign governments. The Portuguese police and judicial system is known to be suspect. Elements of the police are corrupt and indeed in this case the senior detective involved has been charged with corruption. The Portuguese judicial system does not assume innocence before guilt in the way the British system does and operates an interrogatory process in which people are denounced as suspects without any proof. In this particular case the original police investigation was amateurish and flawed and to date nearly 10 different people have at one time or another been denounced as suspects. It is important to realise that Portugal has no real history of citizen’s rights and liberties or democracy. From the 1920s to the mid 1970’s Portugal was ruled by a fascist dictatorship, first under Salazar and then Caetano. Political opposition was repressed and the police and judicial system was used to achieve this. A stable multi-party democracy only came into existence in the late 1970’s and is still very young. Many of the police were trained under fascism and the institutions still bear the impact of this long period of dictatorship. In all the circumstances it is entirely right that British citizens should be protected against an unreliable foreign system. In any event I think you can rest assured that the British police and intelligence services have long had a better grip on the facts of this case than the Portuguese police. Best wishes Piers MerchantAssistant to Roger Knapman

    heres the original one I sent�?

    MEP ***********: >This message was also sent to: Graham Watson MEP, Caroline Jackson MEP,>Neil Parish MEP, Giles Chichester MEP, Graham Booth MEP, Glyn Ford MEP>>> ail.com>> Saturday 10 November 2007>>Dear Glyn Ford, Neil Parish, Roger Knapman, Graham Watson, Caroline>Jackson, Graham Booth and Giles Chichester,>>The disappearance of Madeleine McCann has unquestionably become the>most heart rending, perplexing and complicated case in recent years.>There can not be anyone who would not dearly love for her to be found>safe and well and reunited with her parents. >>However, it is unequivocally clear that there is much contention,>conflict and potentially irreparable damage being caused between the>two countries concerned, Britain and Portugal, much of which appears to>have been effected by the Government of this country, including the>current Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. >>This case is surely unique in the annals of Legal history, not least>because it is unquestionably the first time that two official suspects>in a serious criminal case have ever been appointed the Director of HM>Government Media Monitoring Unit to act as their mentor and>spokesperson, effectively from as early as when Madeleine McCann first>disappeared, not to mention being permitted to form a Business COMPANY>in order to raise remuneration from sympathetic members of the General>Public. >>Furthermore, whilst it is neither prudent nor legally permissible to>specifically comment on particular aspects of the case, it is a matter>of common knowledge that the Portuguese Authorities have never placed>any significance on the alleged sighting of an ‘abductor�?made by Jane>Tanner on the night of May 3rd. It is also a matter of common>knowledge, however, that an appeal WAS made for information relating to>this ‘abductor�? both in Portugal and on the BBC’s ‘Crimewatch�?gt;programme, some weeks AFTER the alleged event, as a consequence of the>direct and personal intervention of Gordon Brown. >>Whilst it has never been reported or even intimated in any media outlet>in this country, (at least to the best of my knowledge), much of the>Portuguese Authorities, the Media, the Police and the general populace>of that country are in the belief that Kate and Gerry McCann have been>permitted to avoid the consequences of Portugal’s legal system due to>Political pressure being applied by the British Government. When>Alberto Costa, the Justice Minister, was asked on Portuguese national>television to comment on whether Political pressure was being applied>in this case he refused to comment. >>Additionally, it is commonly perceived and widely reported in Portugal>that the British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, has asked Jose Socrates>that the results of the DNA tests (from Birmingham) are not to be>published immediately in Portugal. Again, on Portuguese TV, Paulo>Rebelo, the current Chief of the Policia Justiciaria in mid October,>explained not only how the DNA results WOULD be published within the>next 24-48 hours, but that a team of Portuguese Detectives, together>with the Portimao prosecutor, were preparing to fly to oversee ‘further>questioning�?of not only Mr. and Mrs. McCann, but the other members of>the party that were in Portugal on the night of 3rd May. >>It is NOT, understandably, perceived as mere coincidence that after>Gordon Brown had ‘discussions�?with Jose Socrates on the 18th October>at the Lisbon Euro Summit, in order to make sure there was “proper>co-operation between the British and Portuguese police,�?that neither>the DNA results nor the Portuguese Police visit materialised. >>I am well aware of the curious and diverse array of Conspiracy Theories>circulating on the Internet, and I do not wish this letter to be in any>way perceived as part of either those writings, nor as part of a>’witch-hunt�?that the British media so like to refer to whenever>anything potentially detrimental is printed about the McCanns. I am, as>should every one else in this country, be reliant on one of our oldest>British bastions, that we are all deemed to be innocent until proven>guilty. >>However, it is abundantly obvious that every Media outlet in the UK is>operating under an Editorial policy being dictated to outside of the>normal realms of their respective journalistic circles. Every week,>either in the newspapers or as part of some ’documentary�? another>retired British Police officer appears to explain in detail how, not>only are Kate and Gerry McCann entirely innocent of all suspicions>being levied by the Portuguese, but that the PJ themselves are clearly>incompetent ,ineffective and are solely responsible for the failure of>Madeleine McCann being found. The most damning statements were made by>Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, the former Commissioner of the>Metropolitan Police and Gordon Browns Senior Advisor on International>Security Issues. He stated that the McCann’s were clearly the “victims>of a witch-hunt�? >>Such diatribes are frequently printed and spoken in the British media,>often with outrageous and clearly xenophobic abuse attached, levied at>the Portuguese. Do you not find it outrageous that Home Secretary>Jacqui Stevens should appear on BBC television, asking for an end to>’Media Speculation�?and to concentrate on finding Madeleine?; when the>Portuguese Police have not only stated their belief that Madeleine died>on the May 3rd, but that her parents, are two of the official suspects>in her disappearance? >>It is no secret that Gordon Brown has made innumerable personal>telephone calls to Mr. McCann throughout this case. Whilst, officially,>these calls are stated to have ceased when Mr. McCann was made an>official ’Arguido�? it is non-the-less obvious that Gordon Brown>continues to play some roll, quite possibly a pro-active one, in this>whole matter. >>It is not inconceivable that Kate and Gerry McCann were complicit in>the disappearance and possible death of their daughter. It is>inarguable that they were culpable of what is decreed to be abandonment>of their children, both under Portuguese and UK legislation. >>There is an increasing number of people in this country, (and certainly>the majority of those in Portugal), that suspect that our Prime>Minister and the Labour Party in general, is involved in either some>clandestine cover up, at worst, or at least, extending privileges and>advantages that would not be proffered to other people in the McCann’s>situation. >>Whether that is the case or not, I feel it essential that the Prime>Minister clarifies his position and involvement with regards to the>McCann’s, because irrespective of the final outcome of this case, its>repercussions may have consequences for us all. >>Yours sincerely,>>BARNES>>31abb85be464bd2c98fd/63c007ed516ff0d8118c>(Signed with an electronic signature in accordance with subsection 7(3)>of the Electronic Communications Act 2000.)>>>[ This message was sent by WriteToThem.com. If you have had any>problems receiving this message, please email [email protected] and>we’ll get back to you. See www.writetothem.com for more details about>the service. We have sent this email to [email protected]; if this>address is out of date please email us so that we can update our>records. ]>> >[/quote]

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    whats with the yahoo email shouldnt government officials have a .gov email

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    Daniel Says:
    November 24th, 2007 at 7:15 am

    I couldn’t understand some parts of this article Immigration: Brown And Livingstone Split, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.



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From: MSN Nicknametin-lizzySent: 3/23/2008 7:50 PM
in Sol online today:

http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Soc...sier=Madeleine

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com... 86581&page=39 post #583

Madeleine case
English politician says that the Portuguese police is corrupted


By Margarida Davim

Piers Merchant, who is an aide to the Member of European Parlament Roger Knapman, accuses the Portuguese judicial system of being "corrupted" and explains that the English government has been involved in supporting the McCanns because "Portugal has no real history of citizen's rights and liberties or democracy".

Piers Merchant, an aide to the Member of European Parliament Roger Knapman, accuses the Portuguese judicial system of being "corrupted" and explains that the English government has been involved in supporting the McCanns because "Portugal has no real history of citizen's rights and liberties or democracy".

To the conservative English politician, all the support that has been given to the McCann couple by the English government is justified by the need to protect their citizens from the Portuguese judicial system "which is known for being suspect".

The statements from Piers Merchant - from the UK Independence Party - were made as a reply to a letter that had been sent by Brigette Barnes, an English citizen, to the Member of European Parliament, Roger Knapman.

In that document, which Sol was able to access, the English woman expressed her concern over the involvement of Gordon Brown in the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and questioned the statements that were made by several British ex-policemen to UK media about the alleged incompetence of the Policia Judiciaria.

In the e-mail that she received from the MEP's cabinet, Barnes was confronted with a series of accusations to the Portuguese police and the Portuguese state. "Elements of the police are corrupt and indeed in this case the senior detective involved has been charged with corruption", can be read in the reply.

Confronted by Sol, the English politician reaffirmed the statements he had made in the e-mail that he sent to Brigette Barnes, according to which "many of the [Portuguese] police were trained under fascism and the institutions still bear the impact of this long period of dictatorship [of Salazar]".

In a text that contains references to Salazar and Marcelo Caetano, Merchant explains to the English citizen that "Portugal has no real history of citizen's rights and liberties or democracy".

Therefore, this Conservative politician believes that the involvement of Downing Street in the case of Madeleine McCann is justified: "British citizens should be protected against an unreliable foreign system".

Piers Merchant devalues the worries of the English voter, concerning the loss of credibility of the Portuguese authorities in the English media, classifying the initial investigation of the disappearance as "amateurish".

To Sol, the aide assured that whenever he replies to the letters that are sent to the MEP he guarantees that the answers are of his responsibility: "The opinions are more mine than Knapman's, even because I am a politician myself and stand by my ideas, but generally speaking, my ideas are very similar to his".

Merchant - who replied in Knapman's name - also took the opportunity to warn the author of the letter that concerning everything she writes, "the law of defamation applies to email and the internet", and advises her "for her own good, to be very cautious about circulating potentially high libellous statements about Kate and Gerry McCann".

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From: MSN Nicknametin-lizzySent: 3/23/2008 7:52 PM
The [Portuguese] Minister of Justice and the national director of Policia Judiciaria have today considered "unqualifiable" and "irresponsible" the statements that were made by an aide to a British MEP who accuses the Portuguese judicial and police system to be "corrupted".

Piers Merchant, an aide to MEP Roger Knapman, cited by weekly 'Sol' on-line, accuses the Portuguese judicial system of being "corrupted" and refers that the English government has been involved in supporting the McCann couple because "Portugal has no real history of citizen's rights and liberties or democracy".

According to 'Sol', the statements made by Piers Merchant, from the UK Independence Party, appeared as an answer to a letter that was sent by an English citizen to MEP Roger Knapman, concerning the disappearance of English girl Madeleine McCann on May 3, in the Algarve.

In the same response, it is said that "elements of the [Portuguese] police are corrupt and indeed in this case the senior detective involved has been charged with corruption".

In a statement to Lusa Agency, the Minister of Justice, Alberto Costa, considered that those are "unqualifiable statements from the UK Independence" which "do not express, at all, the position of the British authorities".

The national director of Policia Judiciaria, Alipio Ribeiro, classified the statements from the aide to the British MEP as "primitive" and "irresponsible".

"I am certain that the United Kingdom's authorities and its citizens, in general, do not subscribe to them. Nothing willmove us from continuing our police activity within the principles of strict democratic legality", Alipio Ribeiro stated to Lusa Agency.

Little girl Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3 from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, where she was in the company of her twin siblings, while their parents were dining in a restaurant nearby.