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From: MSN Nicknametin-lizzy  (Original Message)Sent: 2/13/2008 10:11 AM

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Mirror Forum's 81 Lies of the McCanns - Revisited

In this article Oxy Moran will attempt to debunk or validate an important list that is circulating around the internet on many Forums. The list originated, back on January 10. 2008 , on the now defunct Daily Mirror Hunt for Maddie Forum. It was included on a thread opened by Jomk2 entitled:

81 Lies and counting! Going up...

The opening post received tens of responses most supporting the notion that this was a good list of McCann lies and more than likely a growing list.

Here is the original post exactly as published in the Daily Mirror Forum:

“They lied about the checks (every hour then when that wasn’t received well ever half hour)<O:P></O:P>

They lied that they were performing the checks themselves (then it became known other men in the group were also checking on the McCann kids)<O:P></O:P>

They lied even after that in the TV interview when Kate says she discovered Madeleine gone ‘on one of my checks�?�?it was the only check she made that night.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the distance from the apartment to the Tapas bar<O:P></O:P>

They lied that you can see the apartment from the Tapas Bar<O:P></O:P>

They lied about whether they actually saw Madeleine with their own eyes or just listened at the door (as did their friends)<O:P></O:P>

They lied about who checked and when (changing their stories)<O:P></O:P>

They lied about who remained at the table all evening and who was absent<O:P></O:P>

They lied that leaving 3 children all under four years old alone at night ‘at the time was not irresponsible�?lt;O:P></O:P>

Their friends lied about seeing Murat there that night (as incoming and outgoing phone records placed him consistently at home)<O:P></O:P>

They lied about Bundleman.<O:P></O:P>

Tanner lied about when she gave Bundlemans details to the Police (changing the date)<O:P></O:P>

Tanner lied about the description of Bundleman (changing the height and appearance)<O:P></O:P>

Wilkins & Gerry or Tanner lied about that check when they were all in the same place but never saw each other.<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the door was locked and changed it to unlocked when it was not well received.<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the door was closed, then it was open because of ‘danger of fire�?lt;O:P></O:P>

They lied about the shutters being jemmied or forced<O:P></O:P>

They lied to friends, family and media when the called them that night telling them of an abductor who had broken into their apartment<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied when he said there was no way Madeleine could have gotten out of bed and then said she must have wandered off.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry later lied in his blog saying the twins must like their new cots because they were asleep by 7:30pm which was very unusual, and yet the twins were asleep by 7:30 on the night of May 3rd allegedly.<O:P></O:P>

They lied to friends, family and media in phone calls that night saying the Police had not shown up when they were already there.<O:P></O:P>

Kate lied to Mrs Fenn saying the Police had been called.<O:P></O:P>

They lied saying they had called the Police when it was in fact Mark Warner<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said it felt so safe and then said they knew they were being watched.<O:P></O:P>

They lied to family, friends and media on the phone that night when they said nobody was doing anything wheen in fact locals, holidaymakers and staff were all helping search.<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they were all searching when Kate and Gerry were hitting phones until midnight and Tanner claims she knew nothing of the disappearance until another friend knocked on her door.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied when he asked for a priest claiming not to know where the church was.<O:P></O:P>

They lied as to what time the Police arrived<O:P></O:P>

They lied that Cuddlecat was Madeleine’s favourite toy and then that it was a present to be given to her on her fourth birthday.<O:P></O:P>

They lied saying they would cooperate fully with the investigation<O:P></O:P>

They lied saying they would not do anything to hinder the investigation<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the fund was going to be a charity.<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the fund would help other missing children and families of.<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they didn’t know Murat.<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they would stay in Portugal until their daughter was found.<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they were going to learn Portuguese.<O:P></O:P>

They lied that it could not possibly be Madeleine’s blood in the trunk of their hire car. And then they took the same vehicle out of circulation so no further tests could be carried out upon it.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about not discussing the case and met with the Tapas 9 secretly.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about where his wallet was apparently stolen, Waterloo station and then near Downing Street.<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said abductions like this (snatched sleeping from a hotel or apartment) happen a lot, they don’t.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the fund not being used for personal matters and then it paid their mortgage.<O:P></O:P>

Kate lied about coming into contact with 6 dead people in her 1 day a week job as GP to explain the cadaver scent on her clothing.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about cuddlecat having the scent of Madeleine and being comforting and then as soon as they heard the dogs were coming Kate announced she had washed it because it smelled of sun tan lotion. Making forensic analysis of it much harder.<O:P></O:P>

They about the crime scene, about how many people came into the crime scene, walked around and contaminated it, again making investigation much harder and destroying much evidence according to detectives.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about the existence of the tennis bag.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about going to sue media companies.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the film deal.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about sacking Justine McGuinness and her subsequent departure.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about returning to Portugal for questioning voluntarily and now will only do if their Arguido status is lifted. They have also appointed General Pinochets extradition-fighting lawyers.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about his faith.<O:P></O:P>

They lied to the local catholic priest (who now claims he was deceived by the McCanns) and then deserted him for the Anglican reverend instead and never, ever took confession apparently.<O:P></O:P>

They said a lie detector test would clear them and now refuse to take one.<O:P></O:P>

They lied for months saying they were not suspects in the disappearance of their daughter and were then both made formal Arguido / suspects under Portuguese law.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the possibility of sedation and then claimed ridiculously that perhaps the Abductor had sedated all 3 of their children before making off with Madeleine.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about Kate’s ability to cope with three children on her own when her own Parents and her own diary say different.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the amount of alcohol consumed that night.<O:P></O:P>

In another lie about cooperating they refused to provide their mobile phone records to the pj.<O:P></O:P>

Kate explaining away the scent of death of cuddlecat because she took the childs 4th birthday present cuddly toy to work and exposed it to contact with 6 dead people.<O:P></O:P>

They lied how everything had been so normal up til May 3rd when it is now known that Mark Warner staff had received complaints from other holidaymakers because of their home alone children crying and seeming in distress. This also brought Mark Warner staff looking for the McCanns on the night of the 2nd and insisting they attend to their distressed children.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about 90 minute tennis lesson with several versions of the story being put out by official sources within the McCann Camp<O:P></O:P>

They and at least one friend lied about Madeleine’s last meal on May 3rd.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the abductor entering through the window and then changed it to the patio doors.<O:P></O:P>

Matthew Oldfield lied about his check on the McCann children changing his story not once but twice.<O:P></O:P>

Kate lied about physically searching for her daughter but then admits to not have done so in a tv interview.<O:P></O:P>

McCanns claim they were the first to arrive to tapas on May 3rd, Rachel Oldfield claims they were the last to arrive.<O:P></O:P>

Despite being in Rome and Madrid and claiming to be spending the rest of the week quietly at home in PDL with the twins, the hire car in it’s first week clocked up over 500 miles.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about his checks on the children in the apartment, at first having claimed to have entered several rooms later then claiming the abductor must have hiding in the apartment while he was there.<O:P></O:P>

Gerry and O Brien have lied about their locations when holding a mobile phone call together on June 10th as verified by phone records and pinpointing.<O:P></O:P>

Jane Tanner has changed her statements, arrival time at tapas, direction of travel, checking times for night of May 3rd.<O:P></O:P>

Najova Chekaya who joined the tapas 9 at the table at 9:30 states nobody left the table until Kate went to check. Putting Oldfields, O Briens, Tanners and Gerry McCanns statements into question.�?BR>

Oxy Moran Revisits the List of 81 Alleged Lies<O:P></O:P>

After discovering the list of 81 lies is actually 71, Oxy Moran in his continuing search for truth went back to scrutinize the list of alleged lies . He slotted each of the 71 alleged lies into one of six categories:

See Message # 2<O:P></O:P>



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From: MSN Nicknametin-lizzySent: 2/13/2008 10:14 AM

1 Mistaken Identity<O:P></O:P>

One so-called lie can be innocently explained as a case of mistaken identity, there being at least 2 other people resembling Murat in PDL<O:P></O:P>

Their friends lied about seeing Murat there that night (as incoming and outgoing phone records placed him consistently at home)<O:P></O:P>

2 Jomk2’s Unsupported Assertions<O:P></O:P>

Some of the alleged lies appear to be based on JomK2’s unsupported assertions<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied to friends, family and media when they called them that night telling them of an abductor who had broken into their apartment<O:P style="FONT-STYLE: italic"></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>They lied how everything had been so normal up til May 3rd when it is now known that Mark Warner staff had received complaints from other holidaymakers because of their home alone children crying and seeming in distress. This also brought Mark Warner staff looking for the McCanns on the night of the 2nd and insisting they attend to their distressed children.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied when he asked for a priest claiming not to know where the church was.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied as to what time the Police arrived<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that Cuddlecat was Madeleine’s favourite toy and then that it was a present to be given to her on her fourth birthday.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the fund would help other missing children and families<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they didn’t know Murat.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that it could not possibly be Madeleine’s blood in the trunk of their hire car. And then they took the same vehicle out of circulation so no further tests could be carried out upon it.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about where his wallet was apparently stolen, Waterloo station and then near Downing Street.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Kate lied about coming into contact with 6 dead people in her 1 day a week job as GP to explain the cadaver scent on her clothing.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about cuddlecat having the scent of Madeleine and being comforting and then as soon as they heard the dogs were coming Kate announced she had washed it because it smelled of sun tan lotion. Making forensic analysis of it much harder.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the crime scene, about how many people came into the crime scene, walked around and contaminated it, again making investigation much harder and destroying much evidence according to detectives.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about the existence of the tennis bag.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about sacking Justine McGuinness and her subsequent departure.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about his faith.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied to the local catholic priest (who now claims he was deceived by the McCanns) and then deserted him for the Anglican reverend instead and never, ever took confession apparently.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the possibility of sedation and then claimed ridiculously that perhaps the Abductor had sedated all 3 of their children before making off with Madeleine. <O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Tanner lied about when she gave Bundlemans details to the Police (changing the date<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Tanner lied about the description of Bundleman (changing the height and appearance) (OM : not unheard of or unusual for a witness to improve recollection) <O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>


<O:P></O:P>They lied about Bundleman. (OM : We dont know for sure)<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Despite being in Rome and Madrid and claiming to be spending the rest of the week quietly at home in PDL with the twins, the hire car in it’s first week clocked up over 500 miles<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the amount of alcohol consumed that night<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

3 Not Lies<O:P></O:P>

A small number of the lies were actually not lies based on my understanding of what has been supported on the public record<O:P></O:P>


<O:P></O:P>They lied for months saying they were not suspects in the disappearance of their daughter and were then both made formal Arguido / suspects under Portuguese law. (OM : but they were'nt arguidos when they made the claim!<O:P></O:P>

They and at least one friend lied about Madeleine’s last meal on May 3rd.<O:P></O:P>

They lied about not discussing the case and met with the Tapas 9 secretly. (OM : we dont know what was discussed...CM said not the case.)<O:P></O:P>

They lied about going to sue media companies. (OM: This issue was overtaken by the naming of arguidos)<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the film deal. (OM: seemed consistent in their statements even if the whole idea was bad pr)<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the fund was going to be a charity.

They lied about the fund not being used for personal matters and then it paid their mortgage. (This use was not excluded in the publicly available stated goals)

Gerry lied when he said there was no way Madeleine could have gotten out of bed and then said she must have wandered off. (Not aware of first assertion as Gerry admits checking in his room for Maddie as she sometimes get out of bed)

4 Prudent Legal Advice After Being Named Arguidos<O:P></O:P>

Many of the so-called lies could readily be understood as the McCann’s changing their stated intention based on the advice of legal counsel<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they would stay in Portugal until their daughter was found.<O:P style="FONT-STYLE: italic"></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about returning to Portugal for questioning voluntarily and now will only do if their Arguido status is lifted. They have also appointed General Pinochets extradition-fighting lawyers.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They said a lie detector test would clear them and now refuse to take one.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

In another lie about cooperating they refused to provide their mobile phone records to the pj.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied saying they would cooperate fully with the investigation<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied saying they would not do anything to hinder the investigation<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

5 Open to Different Interpretations<O:P></O:P>

Some of the McCann’s statement may have ultimately proved to be inaccurate but its Jom2k that has chosen to interpret them as a lie ie a knowing attempt to deceive. Other reasonable people could easily conclude there is no intent to mislead.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Gerry later lied in his blog saying the twins must like their new cots because they were asleep by 7:30pm which was very unusual, and yet the twins were asleep by 7:30 on the night of May 3rd allegedly.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied to friends, family and media in phone calls that night saying the Police had not shown up when they were already there.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Kate lied to Mrs Fenn saying the Police had been called.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied saying they had called the Police when it was in fact Mark Warner<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said it felt so safe and then said they knew they were being watched.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied to family, friends and media on the phone that night when they said nobody was doing anything wheen in fact locals, holidaymakers and staff were all helping search.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they were all searching when Kate and Gerry were hitting phones until midnight and Tanner claims she knew nothing of the disappearance until another friend knocked on her door.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said they were going to learn Portuguese.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied when they said abductions like this (snatched sleeping from a hotel or apartment) happen a lot, they don’t.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about Kate’s ability to cope with three children on her own when her own Parents and her own diary say different.

Gerry and O Brien have lied about their locations when holding a mobile phone call together on June 10th as verified by phone records and pinpointing.

<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

6 Confused Stories about Checking the Appt, Oxy Moran Cant Explain Away

This next category of so-called lies relate to the checking of the kids, and who saw what between 8.30pm and 10pm on May 3<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the checks (every hour then when that wasn’t received well ever half hour)<O:P style="FONT-STYLE: italic"></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that they were performing the checks themselves (then it became known other men in the group were also checking on the McCann kids)<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied even after that in the TV interview when Kate says she discovered Madeleine gone ‘on one of my checks�?�?it was the only check she made that night.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the distance from the apartment to the Tapas bar<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that you can see the apartment from the Tapas Bar<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about whether they actually saw Madeleine with their own eyes or just listened at the door (as did their friends)<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about who checked and when (changing their stories)<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about who remained at the table all evening and who was absent<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Wilkins & Gerry or Tanner lied about that check when they were all in the same place but never saw each other.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Matthew Oldfield lied about his check on the McCann children changing his story not once but twice.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Kate lied about physically searching for her daughter but then admits to not have done so in a tv interview.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

McCanns claim they were the first to arrive to tapas on May 3rd, Rachel Oldfield claims they were the last to arrive.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Gerry lied about his checks on the children in the apartment, at first having claimed to have entered several rooms later then claiming the abductor must have hiding in the apartment while he was there.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Jane Tanner has changed her statements, arrival time at tapas, direction of travel, checking times for night of May 3rd.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Najova Chekaya who joined the tapas 9 at the table at 9:30 states nobody left the table until Kate went to check. Putting Oldfields, O Briens, Tanners and Gerry McCanns statements into question.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that leaving 3 children all under four years old alone at night ‘at the time was not irresponsible�?/P>They lied about the abductor entering through the window and then changed it to the patio doors

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the door was locked and changed it to unlocked when it was not well received.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied that the door was closed, then it was open because of ‘danger of fire�?lt;O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

They lied about the shutters being jemmied or forced<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>

Who and Why?<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>As for category 6 of the alleged lies, I simply cannot reconcile these multiple versions of events between 8 and 10pm on May 3<O:P></O:P>. Therefore, until these statements are clarified, it would seem reasonable to conclude that there is some untruthful statements among those made by the Tapas 9.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>In the absence of more facts, it’s not unreasonable for a skeptical mind to subscribe to the simple hypothesis that as educated people the McCann’s were wracked with guilt about leaving their kids alone while they partied with friends in a different building. They were also probably conscious that their actions were not only irresponsible and highly embarrassing (you try telling your parents you left 3 kids alone under 3 years old in an unlocked holiday apartment overseas, while you were on the booze), and possibly criminal. Perhaps some of their friends in a misguided attempt to help their heart-broken, guilt-filled friends, chose to help them minimize their exposure by exaggerating the frequency of checks.<O:P></O:P>

Conclusion and Oxy Moran's Columbo Moment<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>And so as I finish my analysis I’ve come close to concluding that based the so-called 81 lies of the McCanns, the parents could be guilty of no more than child endangerment, obstructing justice, bad parenting skills, manipulating their friends and taking advantage of good natured people throughout the world.<O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>But just when I was ready to bless my conclusion that Maddie was most likely abducted, I had my Columbo moment. You see, there’s one item not listed on the list of 81 that is troubling me.<O:P> </O:P>

Why did two highly trained British dogs pick up the scent of a cadaver in apartment 5a and then follow it all the way to the O'Brian/Tanner apartment next door? <O:P></O:P>

I’m just not buying these highly trained police sniffer-dogs had a bad day at the office. <O:P></O:P>

<O:P></O:P>Unless someone can come up with a better explanation then I’m again back in a position where I must conclude that it’s reasonable to ask questions about that night that look beyond neglect and obstruction of justice.