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| | PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| On rereading it I cant quite believe this question she asked,
"why do people feel they need a refund what have they been saying.?"
She is as misguided as the Mccanns. | | | Back to top | | | telegram
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| | Well done Nbrado and BJR for sticking with this. Hopefully we will get some answers on 14 November. Smile | | | Back to top | | | JypsyBear
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| | PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| | Thankyou Nbrado for your taking the trouble and time to ring Esther. So from that response , if others are footing legal fees , what exactly have they used this fund for . 1. Mortgage Repayments, we dont know fully how much either? or how many real payments have been made, 2? was what was revealed thus far. So what do they need a Fund for if others are footing the bills | | | Back to top | | | nbrado
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| | PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| No problemo guys and gals.
lets see what the 14th brings in terms of how people are entitled to a refund from the board.
I did point out to esther that legally i'm not implying that they did anything wrong but the whole thing stinks on a moral issue and that is why people are upset.
it was nice of her to take the time finally to answer my questions and she was nice enough on the phone.
though it is official brian and richard are paying the bill for everyting at the moment and that includes the call center and phone lines in spain.
interesting I thought...
why the freeze on spending the fund money and having them foot the bill..
obviously the 14th is when the issue will be raised and discussed till then I suspect they dont want to touch the cash till a bulletproof plan is formulated and a reponse to those seeking refunds.
best not spend anything donated until then eh Wink | | | Back to top | | | ShuBob
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| | PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| [quote="thentherewere4"]On rereading it I cant quite believe this question she asked,
"why do people feel they need a refund what have they been saying.?"
She is as misguided as the Mccanns.[/quote]
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I believe it was a rhetorical question Wink | | | Back to top | | | thentherewere4
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| | PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| Thanks to the 2 evil dwarves,not much money has been spent then ?
Just saw it ShuBob yeah it could be or who knows?
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| | I bet they love me and nbrado, I bet we won't get any christmas cards Laughing Laughing Laughing | | | Back to top | | | ShuBob
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| [quote="nbrado"]No problemo guys and gals.
lets see what the 14th brings in terms of how people are entitled to a refund from the board.
I did point out to esther that legally i'm not implying that they did anything wrong but the whole thing stinks on a moral issue and that is why people are upset.
it was nice of her to take the time finally to answer my questions and she was nice enough on the phone.
though it is official brian and richard are paying the bill for everyting at the moment and that includes the call center and phone lines in spain.
interesting I thought...
why the freeze on spending the fund money and having them foot the bill..
obviously the 14th is when the issue will be raised and discussed till then I suspect they dont want to touch the cash till a bulletproof plan is formulated and a reponse to those seeking refunds.
best not spend anything donated until then eh Wink[/quote]
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This then begs the question: how did they manage to spend £300k up until September 7? What did they spend it on???? | | |
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| No xmas hamper for us!
if you do get one make sure its not got a ticking noise and have it checked with a geiger counter! | | | Back to top | | | bjr
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| | PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| [quote="nbrado"]No xmas hamper for us!
if you do get one make sure its not got a ticking noise and have it checked with a geiger counter![/quote]
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And don't accept any free Turkeys we could be ill right into the new year. Laughing Laughing | | | Back to top | | | ShuBob
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| | PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| [quote="sabot"][quote="bjr"]To get a company registered by the 15.5.07 he must have had the vision by Friday Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]
A very fishy day![/quote]
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Well pointed out. When was the vision does anyone know? | | | Back to top | | | Dizzy
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| OK no response but hey the vision was on the 1st Sunday which was the 6th of May 07. But who at that point as quite rightly asked by another poster had pledged their own money.
I know 100k was offered as reward money by a friend but this surley wasnt a donation.
Phone calls were made on the 7th of May so the idea 3 days after Maddie dissapeared.
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articles/9930/
"When I was praying I started thinking of all the things that were happening. There were lots and lots of ideas in my head and how we could make things better and I was really feeling very down and not sure which way to proceed. I had this mental image of being in a tunnel and instead of the light at the end of the tunnel being extremely narrow and a distant spot, the light opened up and the tunnel got wider and wider and went in many different directions. I talked to you [Kate] about it and said, ‘I am not prepared to pursue one path. We are going to do everything in our power to influence things.'
"It was almost like something - I am not saying it was the Holy Spirit - came into me and gave me that image. That is when I really felt I had a clear path."
Was it a religious experience?
"I can't say it was a vision because I am not clear what a vision is but I had a mental image and it certainly helped me decide. I became a man possessed that night. The next day I was up at dawn, making phone calls." | | | Back to top | | | | Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First | | |
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| | PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| Amazing how something is able to be made out of nothing on this forum.
I created my limited company on a Sunday afternoon a while back via my accountant who has everything set up for it to be done automatically online. The company memorandum and articles were emailed to me as soon as my debit card online payment was taken i.e. immediately. I don't know where the idea has come from that it takes weeks or months.
The McCanns had to do it immediately because (surely you haven't all forgotten so soon?) the Portuguese secrecy laws prevented the police from making any public statement or appeal about the case so a little girl of (then) 3 years old was missing and no-one would have known what she looked like or what she was wearing when she went missing. Experience in both the US and UK has shown that the first 48 hours are critical in the investigation of missing children and publicity is essential to stand any chance of an early location of the child.
Is that not a good enough explanation? | | | Back to top | | | amplyjustified
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| | PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: The Fund and Reward - Pls read/bump - Re Companies Hous | Report this post Reply with quote |
| I too have already contacted the Charity Commission about this 'fund'. I contacted the Charity Commission within 2 - 3 weeks of the fund being set up because we know the difference between a registered charity and a Ltd. Co.
They told me that they were extremely disturbed at the way that the Maddy Fund was being advertised - it gives people the impression it is a charity when in fact it is definitely nothing at all like a charity with all of the rules and regulations which govern the conduct of the fundraisning and which controls the PROPORTION of the charities funds that are spent on overheads, expenses and wages....[/quote]
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I always thought that they may have had to chose a fund rather than a charity because of the use of private detectives, who may have had to venture into - shall we say - murky areas, in their investigations. | | | Back to top | | | Cassi
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| | PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: | Report this post Reply with quote |
| [quote="Emmet"]Amazing how something is able to be made out of nothing on this forum.
I created my limited company on a Sunday afternoon a while back via my accountant who has everything set up for it to be done automatically online. The company memorandum and articles were emailed to me as soon as my debit card online payment was taken i.e. immediately. I don't know where the idea has come from that it takes weeks or months.
The McCanns had to do it immediately because (surely you haven't all forgotten so soon?) the Portuguese secrecy laws prevented the police from making any public statement or appeal about the case so a little girl of (then) 3 years old was missing and no-one would have known what she looked like or what she was wearing when she went missing. Experience in both the US and UK has shown that the first 48 hours are critical in the investigation of missing children and publicity is essential to stand any chance of an early location of the child.
Is that not a good enough explanation?[/quote]
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No. the McCann's and company were on the telly from day 2 with pictures and descriptions. The police are allowed to comment on missing children’s cases or suspected abductions. Secrecy laws do not apply here.
Tell me, you really think that the police and the McCann's did not make any statements until 15 May?
So you are saying they needed to set up a company begging for money to get her description out and focus on the case? | | | Back to top | | | Banshee
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| | PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: time delay | Report this post Reply with quote |
| [quote="bjr"][quote="bmen"]actually there is another item in the time scale ,they initially tried to register as a charity so few days would have been wasted there before the ltd company evolved[/quote]
Oh I forgot about that do you mind if I put this comment in the Opening Post.[/quote]
McCann had his ' vision ' in church ... whether it was during Sunday mass ... or one of the regular tea-time services held for them I'm not sure ... what I am positive about is that this whole case absolutely stinks to high heaven and back ...
Strangely enough ... when this case broke on 4th May ... I distinctly remember several of the younger members on a sports forum I've been going on for years ... saying quite clearly ... " something is not right about this story ... there will be more to this than meets the eye " type comments ... at that time I was puzzled by these observations because I believed implictly what McCann was telling the world ... it was only after the Gerry one compared losing his daughter to that of being a student and finding no money in his bank account Shocked ... that bells started ringing loudly ... this was 25th May, he said this ... so, it'd appear it has always been about money ... how callous can anyone get ... saying losing a child is like going to the bank and finding you're skint ... McCann will never need to worry about being poor again ... will he ... he has made sure of that ... by his canny use of the law and media ...
GMcC gives me the impression he could be a very dangerous man when crossed. | | | Back to top | | | Emmet
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| [quote="Cassi"
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No. the McCann's and company were on the telly from day 2 with pictures and descriptions. The police are allowed to comment on missing children’s cases or suspected abductions. Secrecy laws do not apply here.
Tell me, you really think that the police and the McCann's did not make any statements until 15 May?
So you are saying they needed to set up a company begging for money to get her description out and focus on the case?[/quote]
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| | Banshee, you are right they have in my opinion exploited poor Madeleine, if she was my child, I would sell everything I owned and give my right arm to have her safe with me. Anyway she would never have been left in the first place. | | | Back to top | | | bmen
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| i believe it would be a perfectly legitmate to ask all the directors we already know the 2 relatives abstained in voting, what their relationship with the 2 suspects are even a casual relationship i.e friend would in my opinion bar them from voting on any issue involving the 2 arguidos
anyone tried this yet ? | | | Back to top | | | bjr
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| | molly1 is going to ring companies house on monday and when she posts what they say, we should go from there, but you have a point there conflict of interest etc. | | | Back to top | | | lionheart
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| | PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: The Fund and Reward - Pls read/bump - Re Companies Hous | Report this post Reply with quote |
| [quote="bjr"]http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/399da18496994340755086e10276b4f4/compdetails
Above is the link for Comapnies House about the Madeleine Fund.
The date that this Company is registered is the 15.5.07 just 12 days after Madeleine disappeared.
First Madeleine went missing on the night of the 3rd May and most people did not know until Friday 4th May. Unless you wrote and posted a cheque straight away to the McCanns in Ocean village PDL Portugal to arrive in PDL by about Tuesday or Wednesday 9th/10th there would not have been enough money to even contemplate starting a fund.
Most people would have waited for at least a few days to see if Madeleine was found before sending money. So that would have been in the w/c Monday 8th.
So by the time it got to Portugal, Rothley etc it would have been the end of the week.
Mostly rewards were offered in the beginning for the safe return of Madeleine but these were would only be paid if Madeleine was found and the abductor charged.
So why register for a Fund just 12 days after the disappearance of Madeleine, surely by then there was not enough money coming in to warrant a fund.
The date of the 15.5.07 was the date the company became registered and would not have been the date the papers were sent to Companies House. Obviously it must take a couple of days to get papers drawn up, a fund set up amongest other things so this would have been done in the week commencing the 8.5.07.
So for this fund to have been in place the lawyers were there straight after Madeleine disappeared. Why? Was it to give legal comment on what might have happened on the 3.5.07 and to point out where they stood in the eyes of the law. Client confidentiality etc.
It as also been pointed out by another poster that prior to the setting up of the limited company, they also enquired about registering as a charity.[/quote]
Bump.
We have been saying such, for many months now!
This needs to be bumped so that those new to this forum are aware of The TRUTH! | | | Back to top | | | bjr
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| [quote="bjr"]Exactly why would you apply to Companies House for Fund, register a Trademark, my god these people are unbelieveable.[/quote]
They needed to apply to Companies House to set up the fund legally; there is nothing AT ALL sinister in this.
And they probably decided to trademark the name as a simple precaution against the type of scamming b*stards who always try to freeload of these things by collecting money for nothing other than their own Christmas fund. | | | Back to top | | | lynnkx
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| Unlike a normal limited company it is not set up to make profit.
It is a company that is set up to not make a profit and the directors do not receive any pay [wages].
IE - it has just been set up to receive money and to spend it... without being subject to The Charity Commission's rules and regulations Sad | | | Back to top | | | bmen
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| | exactly lynnkx the charities commission wouldnt register them they were astute enough to see what was about to happen they simply couldnt meet the requirements at that stage alarm bells should have been ringing loudly | | | Back to top | | | lynnkx
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| [quote="bmen"]exactly lynnkx the charities commission wouldnt register them they were astute enough to see what was about to happen they simply couldnt meet the requirements at that stage alarm bells should have been ringing loudly[/quote]
The Charity Commission would have registered them if they were going to behave like a charity and spend the money received mainly on the purpose of the charity.
Instead - they wanted to use the money/fund for LIVING EXPENSES plus massive wages for everybody. I have even read a report which said that Jane Tanner and O'Brien were being paid as nannies to the twins... Whoever is being paid to be nannies to the twins - the money is coming out of the fund to find Maddy Crying or Very sad
The wages bill and the expenses bill are far to high for it to be accepted as a charity - and they do not spend much money on the purpose which the fund was set up in either...
The lawyers were there to advise AGAINST setting up a charity and to advise the setting up of this special sort of 'Ltd.Co.' instead..... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad | | | Back to top | | | bjr
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| [quote="urcrazyAnd they probably decided to trademark the name as a simple precaution against the type of scamming b*stards who always try to freeload of these things by collecting money for nothing other than their own Christmas fund.[/quote]
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Double standards I am afraid they don't mind using a website that offers it's services to other grieving parents. The person that runs their website contacted the family of the young girl in Hampshire offering his services. I would hazard a guess, but I bet he didn't offer to do for free. | | | Back to top | | | | Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First | | |
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