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Taken from the MF, just in case it gets lost.

BishopBrennan



Joined: 06 Dec 2007
Posts: 36

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: Bags, Chaplins Restaurant, and Murat

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Copied this directly from the Anorak Forum. Original source unknown. Credible do you think?

SNIP> [from England/CyberSleuths]
ok, have been told some stuff…the blue sports bag isn’t the one seen in any photos. The bag was reported by Gerry as missing when Maddy disappeared. It is not the same bag found in a lay-by near the airport or the one found by fishermen. The information i have comes from somebody in Portugal. The PJ have the bag and have had said bag for months (part of the forensics that were sent to Birmingham). The bag apparently ‘came-in’ to questioning when the McCanns were made arguidos. The police KNOW about the bag and the McCanns know that the police KNOW. Gerry was seen with the bag, he was followed by police putting it into another car (not the rental car)…they followed him and retrieved it. I’m told it’s contents are important but i couldn’t get info on what they were.

Next, they did dine at Chaplins (another restaurant/bar) that is a long, long way from the appartment on the 2nd may. It was here that the Ocean complex people eventually found them on the night of the 2nd may (maddy disappeared on the 3rd)when Mrs Fell a resident had heared Maddy crying for almost two hours and reported it. It is this night that the police are focusing on as my source tells me the police believe it’s this night Maddy died.
The nanny apparently was paid to say she saw maddy on the third and that Maddy was signed into the creche but didn’t attend (from sources remember not confirmed).

The Brit paedo has been elliminated as he hasn’t been in Portugal for over two years. Finally…do you remember Gordon Brown was to prepare the British public for the outcome of the next few months ? this was said at the Lisbon summit…well i and many others thought it was because the McCanns would be charged. However i’ve been led to believe by the same Portugese source it was more about the forensic results from the back of the car and in the appartment. There is a BIG difference between body fluids and bodily fluids..Maddys was supposidly found with some mix of ‘quote’ northern European male.

Also i’m forgetting…the source has also said Murat did know them as he had dined with them at Chaplins restaurant days previous and Kate had been with him at his house when she and Gerry fell out�?big argument and she left and went to Murats. This info is all circulating at the moment, can’t confirm if it’s true or not but it’s certainly something to chew over..

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Detective173



Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 129

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: Cybersleuths discussion

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Am posting this reply of Tony Bennett's on Anorak to the 'cyberleuth' claims. The 'Truth for Madeleine' website forum run by Stevo, who also posts regularly on Anorak, is also working on the assumption that Madeleine died/was killed on the night of 2nd/3rd May:

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367 Tony Bennett Says:

December 31st, 2007 at 6:28 pm

re: 277 Tinsel

I’ve never visited Cybersleuths, but here for what they are worth are my observations on your post 277 today:

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England/CyberSleuths: “ok, have been told some stuff…the blue sports bag isn’t the one seen in any photos. The bag was reported by Gerry as missing when Maddy disappeared. It is not the same bag found in a lay-by near the airport or the one found by fishermen. The information I have comes from somebody in Portugal. The PJ have the bag and have had said bag for months (part of the forensics that were sent to Birmingham). The bag apparently ‘came in’ to questioning when the McCanns were made arguidos. The police KNOW about the bag and the McCanns know that the police KNOW. Gerry was seen with the bag, he was followed by police putting it into another car (not the rental car)…they followed him and retrieved it. I’m told its contents are important but I couldn’t get info on what they were�?

REPLY: If “The bag was reported by Gerry as missing�?is true and if this is also true: ‘The bag apparently ‘came in’ to questioning when the McCanns were made arguidos�? then this would be a major development. But I don’t expect that either the PJ or Team McCann will comment on it.

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England/CyberSleuths: “Next, they did dine at Chaplins (another restaurant/bar) that is a long, long way from the apartment on the 2nd May�?

REPLY: This is the day I have down for them dining at Chaplins. The consensus is that Chaplins is up to a half-mile (800 metres) from the Ocean Club apartments - about 6 to 8 minutes’ walk according to some. According to the information on the Net published by Chaplins, they are usually open to 2am

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England/Cybersleuths: “It was here that the Ocean complex people eventually found them on the night of the 2nd May (Maddy disappeared on Thursday the 3rd) when Mrs Fell a resident had heard Maddy crying for almost two hours and reported it�?

REPLY: Mrs Pamela Fenn, I think. The initial reports said Madeleine was heard crying ‘from 10.30pm to 11.45pm’ and that this was on Tuesday 1 May. As time has gone on, it looks like 1 May was an error and that Madeleine was heard crying by Mrs Fenn on Wednesday 2 May. Of course, 10.30pm to 11.45pm is only an hour-and-a-quarter. To think that the poor girl was sobbing away for up to two hours calling out for her Daddy is almost unbearable to think about. I have never seen anything about the Ocean Club staff going out looking for the McCanns on Wednesday night and tracking them down to Chaplins. That would indeed be a sensational development if confirmed and would also blow the ‘half-hour checking’ idea to smithereeens

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England/CyberSleuths: �?It is this night that the police are focusing on as my source tells me the police believe it’s this night Maddy died�?

REPLY: So do I. Initially the PJ were reported as saying that they were looking at the ‘missing six hours’ from 2.29pm (last photo) onwards. As time has gone on, the strength of the reports proclaiming that Madeleine was alive and seen on 3rd May have looked weaker and weaker.

If Madeleine died/was killed on the night of 2nd/3rd May, then as night follows day these must be true:

* David Payne lied about seeing Madeleine at 6.30pm to 7pm
* The nanny (Charlotte Pennington) lied about seeing Madeleine at the creche (her stories were not actually self-consistent in any event)
* Claims that Madeleien was signed into the kids’ club/register that day would be false
* The famous �?.29pm’ photo (Madeleine by the pool) that Stevo et al have analysed at length would be a fake
* The story of her being seen eating with her family at the El Paraiso restaurant - according to Miguel Matias and his ‘grainy’ CCTV video - would also be false, but then that has ALREADY been exposed a false story produced by a serial con-man
* Gerry McCann lied about his 9.05pm visit to check on Madeleine when he claimed he ‘gazed upon her lovingly and thought how beautiful she looked and how lucky he was’ - with the abductor hiding behind the door as he gazed at her (cough)

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England/CyberSleuths: The nanny apparently was paid to say she saw Maddy on the third and that Maddy was signed into the creche - but didn’t attend (from sources remember, not confirmed).

REPLY: I am not surprised. If true, I would love to know how much her ‘thirty pieces of silver’ amounted to. And whether perhaps contributions to the ‘Find Madeleine Fund’ have been used to pay her

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England/Cybersleuths: “The Brit paedo has been eliminated, as he hasn’t been in Portugal for over two years. Finally…do you remember Gordon Brown was to prepare the British public for the outcome of the next few months? This was said at the Lisbon summit…well I and many others thought it was because the McCanns would be charged. However I’ve been led to believe by the same Portuguese source it was more about the forensic results from the back of the car and in the apartment. There is a BIG difference between body fluids and bodily fluids…Maddy was supposedly found with some mix of ‘quote’ northern European male�?

REPLY: I think I’d rather not think too closley about what may have happened

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England/Cybersleuths: Also I’m forgetting…the source has also said Murat did know them as he had dined with them at Chaplins restaurant days previous�?

REPLY: It’s plain that Gerry did already know him from his reported and televised ‘no comment’ comment in May, and his accompanying body language as he said that. Of course he and Murat knew each other. If he can be evasive about that, so can he be evasive about so much else

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England/Cybersleuths: “…and Kate had been with him at his house when she and Gerry fell out…big argument and she left and went to Murats�?

REPLY: If I read this right, Gerry and Kate fell out, then she ran off for consolation to Murat? But when?

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England/Cybersleuths: This info is all circulating at the moment, can’t confirm if it’s true or not but it’s certainly something to chew over�?