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Moita Flores Interview & 'Baby-sitter' saw the suspect

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xklamation
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008
 
Mccanns: Perverting the cause of justice a new marketing ploy?
http://joana-morais.blogspot.c.....e-new.html

Moita Flores Interview On SIC at 3m. 43 sec. plus a Zap on Various Channels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ4RkaL_8Dk

Press Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFZboYocYVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROUVxrerQKg

Correio da Manha - an opinion article by Francisco Moita Flores:
http://www.correiodamanha.pt/n.....idCanal=93

Maddie and Mari Luz

Mari Luz disappeared from a public area. Maddie and her siblings were abandoned by their parents [...] they were exposed to chance

"Every time that a sequence of violent acts occurs, whether homicides, abductions, or terrorist acts, the first exercise that our common sense memory does, is to search for communions and to make analogies that tend to generalistic judgements that **** up one or another solution. When these facts have a strong impact within the media, the level of certainty that is formulated increases even more. It is therefore hardly surprising, that the disappearance of Mari Luz prompted the search for identifications with the Maddie case, leading to the comfortable and opportunistic theory that there are connections between both cases, both being the victims of a sexual predator.

There do not exist. Although close in time, they are absolutely different cases. Beginning with the space where the facts took place. Maddie disappeared from the room where she was sleeping, alongside her siblings, inside the apartment that belonged to her parents, even if only for the duration of their holidays. Mari Luz disappeared from a public space. The time coordinate is also different. The English girl disappeared during the night, the Spanish girl disappeared during the day. The location is also different. Mari Luz disappears in a street of her neighbourhood - and those who know this area in Huelva, know that we are talking about a poor community, of degraded housing or modest construction, which is inhabited by persons with financial difficulties, where the street is used by its inhabitants as a playground. To play on the streets in Torrejon is a socially normal action, there are neighborhood relationships, the bonds of social mutual recognition are evident. It is normal for a mother to send her child shopping. According to the daily behaviour patterns, it cannot be said that the parents abandoned Mari Luz. That space is the community's territory. Maddie and her siblings were abandoned by their parents, in a foreign country, in a quality resort but, due to their short stay, that was strange to them and to their children. They went out to drink while the children were delivered to chance. But within a safe, controlled unit, without space for an abductor to act naturally. The public space is where abductions take place, by excellence. On streets, in shopping areas, on beaches, or when large crowds meet in open air. The private space, the home, is the territory of love, of violence, of tenderness and of death. But this is not where differences end. Mari Luz's parents immediately communicated the case to authorities. The police heard about Maddie long after the English diplomacy and Sky News did. The parents of Mari Luz expose themselves, in their suffering and distress, to the police and to the media. Maddie's parents chose to make emotional appeals but without a coherent explanation about what happened. They brought in a spokesperson to tell the press what it wanted to hear, but themselves, when it was time, refused to talk and left. The organised web never wanted to discuss the case's details. They chose to insult the PJ and the country that gave them shelter.

The truth, the sad truth, is that two children went missing. One, almost certainly, is dead. The other, the authorities still hope to find her alive. I hope they will. Unfortunately, these are not the first cases, and they will not be the last ones. They are cases from our common life. Unfortunately."

Perverting The Cause Of Justice
http://www.correiodamanha.pt/n.....idCanal=10

PJ discard suspect as false trail
The sketch put out by the McCanns could be any of dozens or hundreds of people who could have passed through Praia da Luz ?a man now made a suspect only based on information without any consistency, and which the PJ had already discarded ?this is what a source connected with the process has told the newspaper. The purpose, eight months later, is the same as ever ?one more diversion tactic.

False Sighting in Morocco
In September, a couple of Spanish tourists divulged pictures taken in Morocco, which showed a blonde girl at the back of a woman. It wasn't Maddie.

Belgian Lead did not have foundation
In ends of July, a new lead: Maddie would have been sighted in the Belgium, in the company of a couple. A photo-fit the portrait-robot of the man that would be with the child was world wide spread. Analyses to the DNA of a little straw proved that was not Madeleine.

An Irresponsible move
Sketches of possible suspects in Portugal, without a strong reason/ foundation, could lead to lawsuits for damages by those who look like the sketch, said a judiciary source to the newspaper CM.

'Baby-sitter' saw the suspect of the McCanns as well
http://dn.sapo.pt/2008/01/21/s....._cann.html

But the DN knew that, to obtain the profile, besides this witness, the Spanish agency of detectives " Method 3 ", contracted by the MCCann, it resorted to a description done by 20-year-old Charlotte Perrington, who was working in the The Ocean Club in the time of the disappearance.

In a testimony given previously to the authorities, already divulged by the DN, Perrington it affirmed to have seen the Briton Robert Murat ?the other arguido/suspect in the process, besides the McCanns - talk in the esplanade of the Baptista supermarket, in the Praia da Luz, with a " man between the 27 and 35 years, of middle stature, eyes dark and of Portuguese or Spanish appearance ".

Either way, the portrait-robot (sketch) spread by the McCann fits also in a description done by the Judicial Police officer in May, in a time in which the theory of the kidnapping was concentrating the attentions of the investigators.

“He better show up "

Clarence Mitchell empathized yesterday that the mysterious character will have also " similarities " with a portrait - robot spread previously by the MCCanns, based on the evidence of Jane Tanner, friend of the McCann, who said to have seen a man carry a child in the arms. " Who is he?, where is he? and which is, if in fact exists, his connection with Maddie's disappearance? ", he questioned. The spokesman of the McCanns - who ask “priority " in the investigation of this lead - challenged still the suspect to show himself: " If he is innocent, we want that he shows up for his own good, so that it can be cleared. We believe that this man can be tied to Madeleine's disappearance ".

In Portugal, the "revelation" of the MCCanns - that Maddie appears near to the witnesses' new investigations in the case and little after the disappearance, in Spain, of Mari Luz Cortez, of five years - is being received with skepticism.

To the DN, Carlos Anjos, of the Association of the Officials of Criminal Investigation, did only a comment on the new trace: “The notion was lost completely ".

The writer and investigator Moita Flores went further, descrediting the sketch and accusing the MCanns of using “in an opportunistic way ", the recent disappearance of Mari Luz. With Peter Sousa Tavares


Jane Tanner: I wish I'd seen abductor's face
28 October 2007
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/.....ge_id=1770

The key witness in the hunt for Madeleine McCann has admitted she would not recognise the man she says abducted the four-year-old, it was claimed today.

Jane Tanner, a close friend of Gerry and Kate McCann, is certain she saw a man carrying Madeleine from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz 45 minutes before her mother raise the alarm at 10pm.

But a friend of Ms Tanner - a member of the so called "Tapas Nine" who dined with the youngster's parents the night she vanished - has revealed the witness now fears she would not recognise the suspect again.

Gail "snail with rheumatics" Cooper sees a "creepy" Moroccan Man which Jane"spaced out" Tanner confirms and a Metodo3 Paedophile Gang
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/.....article.do

In the days following Madeleine's disappearance, Mrs Cooper, from Newark, Nottinghamshire gave a statement to police describing him.

But Portuguese detectives failed to quiz her further and a image of the suspect has never been produced until she was reinterviewed last week by the McCanns' private detective agency Metodo 3.

It also emerged yesterday that a 12-year-old girl living locally has come forward with information after seeing a "strange man".

(...)She also blasted Portuguese police for not taking her report seriously of the sightings during her family holiday between April 18-25 last year to celebrate her 50th birthday.

"It's certainly some time since I went to the police. I was a bit surprised it took so long for something to be done," she said.

With the help of police artist Melissa Little, two sketches of the man have been produced.

He has been described as aged 38 to 45, with sallow skin, lank, long dark hair, a distinctive droopy moustache and large teeth.

Yesterday Jane Tanner said one of the sketches showing the man wearing a safari jacket and light-coloured trousers "strongly resembles" the man she saw carrying a child wearing pyjamas identical to those worn by Madeleine on the night of the disappearance.

Mrs Cooper's evidence also echoes that of another holidaymaker, Paul Gordon, 34, who saw a man hanging around the McCanns' apartment days before Madeleine vanished.

The father of two told police that he spotted a man outside the two-bedroom flat's patio doors while his own two children were sleeping inside.

Mr Gordon, who stayed in the Ocean Club flat immediately before the McCanns did, said when he confronted the man he claimed to be collecting money for an orphanage in the mountains.

Yesterday there were fears that the second man - who does not match the description of the figure seen by Mrs Cooper- may have been an accomplice checking out the layout of the apartment and security with a view to snatching a child.

A friend of the McCanns said yesterday: "We fear that a group of two or three paedophiles may have fishing around the apartments, casing it with a view to taking children."

On another Paper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crim.....86,00.html

The family of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann yesterday released an image of the face of a man they believe could be involved in her disappearance, as they launched an international appeal to trace him.
Drawn by an FBI-trained police artist, it is the first detailed likeness of any suspect in the eight-month-old case. He was described as "disturbing" and acting suspiciously by a British holidaymaker who came across him at her apartment 600 yards from that of the McCanns in the same resort in Portugal.

The long-haired man seen by Gail Cooper, 50, three times in late April last year, was said by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, to bear a "strong resemblance" to the man she saw carrying a child in pink pyjamas and bare feet from the complex on May 3, the night Madeleine vanished.

Clarence Mitchell, Kate and Gerry McCann's official spokesman, said that when shown the sketches, Tanner was struck by the likeness to the man she had seen carrying the child she now believes was Madeleine.

However, in a BBC Panorama interview in November Tanner said she could not remember, or did not see, the face of the man she saw carrying the child.

At a news conference in London, Mitchell said: "Our main objective is to find this man, to find who he is. We believe he is a link to finding Madeleine and with the grace of God we believe we will find Madeleine McCann."

The McCanns' private investigators, Metodo 3, spoke to Cooper last week. They hired artist Melissa Little to draw two images based on the interview. Cooper, from Newark, Nottinghamshire, originally gave police a statement in May.

It was Little who did the early drawings of the faceless man carrying a child in pyjamas based on Tanner's statements.

The drawings, including that of the man walking, wearing a safari jacket and light-coloured trousers, have been passed to the police.

Cooper described seeing an olive-skinned man in his 30s or early 40s with a drooping moustache and scraggy, collar-length hair, on a number of occasions at the resort, according to Mitchell. He is described as being of slim build, 5ft 7in to 5ft 10in tall, and was wearing light-coloured clothes.

Cooper said she saw the man walking alone in a downpour on the deserted beach at Praia da Luz on April 20. Later the same afternoon, she said the same "unpleasant" man knocked on her apartment door. She said he was nervous and agitated and claimed to be collecting for a local orphanage.

He spoke fairly good English, but with a heavy accent. She thought he might have been from Africa, perhaps Tunisia, but possibly from Spain. She did not think he was Portuguese.

Mitchell said that two days later Cooper, who was on holiday with her husband, John, saw the same man hanging around a children's outing to the beach organised by the Mark Warner resort. Madeleine took part in the same outings in the days leading up to her disappearance.

Mitchell said that when she saw the sketches, one a full-face portrait, the other showing him walking, Cooper described the first as an "excellent" likeness and the second as "very good".

In the Panorama interview, Tanner said she lived with the burden of knowing that in all probability she could never identify the man she glimpsed only briefly that night.

"He had his face turned away from me, sort of sideways and it was very dark. I just didn't see it properly I wish to God I had," she said. She told the programme she thought the man was "local or Mediterranean looking rather than British". She said: "He was dressed in that sort of smart casual way that European people dress, not the way Brits on holiday dress."

The McCann team has drawn up a plan of how they wish the investigation to proceed. It includes a worldwide search for the man, coordinated by a central telephone number manned by Metodo 3. The McCanns also want a full review of all police records and statements, including one taken from a 12-year-old girl who reported sightings of a strange man in the Portuguese resort last May.

Thirdly, Mitchell called for complete collaboration between the Portuguese police, Interpol and the authorities in Spain, Morocco and Britain.


Gerry's Blog/Diary and now it's the man described by Jane Tanner, thought it was DESCRIBED by Gail Cooper?
Day 262 - 20/01/2008

Today we have released drawings of a man who needs to be eliminated from the investigation to find Madeleine. A witness, Gail Cooper, who was holidaying in Praia da Luz shortly before we arrived, saw him on several occasions. She found the man, who claimed to be collecting for an orphanage, very intimidating. After interviewing Gail, our private investigators commissioned a forensic sketch by a FBI trained artist. The man has many similarities in looks and clothing he was wearing to the description of the man given by Jane Tanner. Click Here to see the drawings.(cartoons)http://www.findmadeleine.com/news/drawing.asp

The man Jane saw walking away from the apartments where we were staying was carrying a child, around 9.10pm on the night Madeleine was abducted. Jane described pyjamas matching those Madeleine was wearing without knowing what she had on that fateful night. We are convinced that this was when Madeleine was taken. Jane has been shown these sketches of the man. She feels he has a strong resemblance to the man she saw on May 3rd.carrying the child away.
 
More like the police than the police - new tactics in hunt for Madeleine
http://news.scotsman.com/lates.....3692117.jp

McCanns employ rhetoric and methodology of authorities as they unveil drawing of suspect, writes Martyn McLaughlin

IT HAD all the features of an official police press conference: a solemn appeal for sightings, delivered with detective-speak phrases such as "eliminating suspects in the investigation".

However, the man standing behind the lectern was not a senior policeman but a PR consultant hired by a family determined to find answers even if it means going it alone.

Eight months on from the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the private-investigation team sanctioned by her parents is increasingly employing the rhetoric and methodology of the police.

Yesterday, in what Kate and Gerry McCann hope will spark a breakthrough, the couple's official spokesman released, for the first time, an image of a suspect to the media and public.

The distribution of the artist's impression, created by Melissa Little, an FBI-accredited police artist hired by the McCann team, spoke volumes not only about the family's resolve, but their frustration with the official investigation.

The language of Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' public face, was unequivocal as he addressed the media from a lectern in a London hotel. "Who is he? Where is he? What, if any, is his connection to Madeleine's disappearance?" he said. "If he is innocent, we want him to come forward for his own sake so he can be ruled out. We believe this man could be linked to Madeleine's disappearance."

One former senior officer with Strathclyde Police suggested the family's approach was designed to keep public interest in the case buoyant, but said they may still have to rely on the resources of the police.

He said: "The language and the presentation that are being used imitate the police thanks to their PR people. They know that's a good way to catch the public's eye. It's an authoritative approach and it captures people's attention. I don't think there's any real policing expertise, though.

"I'd say it's highly unlikely they have anywhere near the resources of an active policing force. The parents don't know how to conduct an investigation and they're dependent on people they are hiring, who, in some cases, may not be best suited for the job. I think, as time goes on, it's unlikely they will find any new information on their own, outside of the chance someone will respond to this kind of public appeal."

In any case, it appears Mr Mitchell's tactics yesterday were borne largely out of dissatisfaction at the apparent impotency and silence of the Portuguese police, though he was careful not to cast aspersions: "We're not going to criticise the police in any form ?they have got a difficult enough job. It seems drawings of this sort are not done as a matter of course in Portugal."

Nonetheless, the private investigation now appears to be regarded by the McCanns as their best hope of tracing their daughter. Having secured the image of the suspect, their team has now drawn up an action plan for how they want the investigation to proceed.

Firstly, they want a worldwide search, co-ordinated by a central phone number manned by their private-detective agency to identify and locate the man in the sketches. All information would be passed on to the Portuguese police.

Secondly, they want a full review of all police records and witness statements, including one taken from a 12-year-old girl who reported sightings of a strange man in the Portuguese resort in May last year.

Thirdly, Mr Mitchell called for complete cooperation between the Portuguese police, Interpol and the authorities in Spain, Morocco and Britain.

With tension between the McCanns and the Portuguese police still evident, the latter demand may not be straightforward. Worse still, they appear to be getting little return on the £50,000 a month being paid out to Metodo 3, the Barcelona-based private
-detective agency.

'DISTURBING' MAN IS NEW SUSPECT
THE new suspect in the case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance was spotted by a holidaymaker three times walking around the complex where the four-year-old was last seen.

The sketch was based on an interview with Gail Cooper, a grandmother from Nottinghamshire, who originally gave a statement to police in May last year.

Mrs Cooper described seeing an olive-skinned man with collar-length scraggly hair acting suspiciously on a number of occasions.

On 20 April, Mrs Cooper said, she saw the man walking by himself in heavy rain on the deserted beach at Praia da Luz. Later the same afternoon, Mrs Cooper said she received a visit from the same man, whom she described as "disturbing".

Two days later, Mrs Cooper saw the same man hanging around a children's outing to the beach organised by the Mark Warner resort.


Who is Melissa Dring Little?
http://www.totallyessential.co.....FSPQ9000C7

Melissa was born in Winchester, England, in 1944 and is the daugther of the portrait painter William Dring RA. She trained in Fine Art at Winchester School of Art and the Royal Academy Schools, and is a member of The Pastel Society, exhibiting her work in the annual spring exhibition at the Mall Galleries, London. She combines a successful career as a portrait painter with that of a freelance police forensic artist serving regional forces throughout the UK. Her degree in the Psychology of Facial Identification was followed by an invitation to the FBI Police Academy in Quantico, Virginia to undertake a training course for police artists.

She has lectured at the Durham Police Training College, where she ran courses for forensic artists. She is married with two sons.
She also did the portrait of the British author Jane Austen.

Artist Statement
http://www.axisweb.org/seCVFU.aspx?ARTISTID=6625
Concepts:
Lively characterful portraits, full of alertness and spontaneity, in oils, pastel and pencil, to commission. Also, sensitive posthumous portraits.

Influences:
Following in the footsteps of my father, the portrait painter William Dring RA, I studied at the Royal Academy schools, London and subsequently took a degree in psychology, leading to training in police facial identification. My portrait subjects range from police artist impressions to portraits of prominent high-achievers in public life
 

 


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From: MSN Nicknametin-lizzySent: 2/5/2008 4:25 PM
chalice
Thanks for all of those articles . Nice work Smile
 
Especially for the Moita Flores translation .

"Maddie's parents chose to make emotional appeals but without a coherent explanation about what happened. They brought in a spokesperson to tell the press what it wanted to hear, but themselves, when it was time, refused to talk and left. The organised web never wanted to discuss the case's details. They chose to insult the PJ and the country that gave them shelter. "

Might be an idea to copy the entire post into the all relevant articles thread?
 

 
shuttleBunny
thanks for gathering this info all in one place
 

 
tripz
I have two Qs to ask. .

""Cooper said she saw the man walking alone in a downpour on the deserted beach at Praia da Luz on April 20. Later the same afternoon, she said the same "unpleasant" man knocked on her apartment door. She said he was nervous and agitated and claimed to be collecting for a local orphanage.""

Q1.Based on the statement above; Did anyone else residing or holidaying in PDL, come in contact or have this man knock at their home/apartment on the 20/4/07 asking for money to support an orphanage?

""He spoke fairly good English, but with a heavy accent. She thought he might have been from Africa, perhaps Tunisia, but possibly from Spain. She did not think he was Portuguese"".

Q2.Based on the statement above- Could a holidaymaker from the UK, tell the difference between Portuguese and Spanish facial characteristics, is this at all possible without the relevant degree in this subject anthropology?
Also is the term "generalisation" an acceptable parameter in ascertain a positive identification?

Embarassed 3Qs.

justice
tripz
 

tripz
bump 4 3Qs above! Idea
 

 
amplyjustified
[quote="xklamation.[/quote]

Gail "snail with rheumatics" Cooper sees a "creepy" Moroccan Man which Jane"spaced out" Tanner confirms and a Metodo3 Paedophile Gang
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/.....article.do

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'This is London' s reporting has gone down if you are informing us that this is what is in the article.
 

 
constant_dieter
No wonder kids went missing at Ocean Club.

Charlotte Pennington, hired to look after them at the creche, spent all her time out and about watching the locals and noting their whereabouts and actions.

Did she ever do any of the work she was paid to do?
 

 
bluebabe
There was also a man hanging around on the beach that particular week when the children were taken to the beach by nannies from Mark Warner creche-and also a mother saw a man trying to take photos of little girls but stopped him at doing so.

Just perhaps if this man in question was so thwarted in his daytime attempts that when he saw a child fitting the description he needed for whatever purpose be it child trafficking or whatever-then he would observe the family movements for a few days before striking.

A stranger man was seen hanging around the apartment by 5a and Mrs Fenn's niece saw him. There was also a man in the stairwell spotted by cleaner and he never shifted-anyone recall this in media. There had been spate of burglaries in the area beforehand,sometimes paedo's etc are also burglars.
 

 
Hoof_hearted
[quote="constant_dieter"]No wonder kids went missing at Ocean Club.

Charlotte Pennington, hired to look after them at the creche, spent all her time out and about watching the locals and noting their whereabouts and actions.

Did she ever do any of the work she was paid to do?[/quote]

Don't forget the man 'HIDING' in a boat off the shore, wearing a HIGH VIS vest, and kicking something in the boat FFS.

Interesting questions too.

Funny how the same artist was commissioned to draw for Tanner, and Cooper, and yet Cooper knew nothing of the Tanner pic - very very odd. I mean, being so close to the case, holidaying in PDL a few weeks previous with children herself, one would think she would have followed the case to some extent huh?

 


jd1974

I feel sorry for the poor guy, it is obvious why he was begging for money...he needed new clothes. According to the witnesses he was wearing the same exact clothing on April 20 and May 3, 2 weeks wearing the same clothes.