McCanns now claim they urged use of police sniffer dogs!
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KlausEngelmann
Joined: 31 Aug 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: McCanns now claim they urged use of police sniffer dogs!
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Guardian: "McCanns urged use of police sniffer dogs"
"Couple became suspects because of the forensic tests they had requested"
Actually, I think the PJ thought they were suspects for reasons other than just that. Appears to me the angle here is to make it look like they were in control of events - i.e. the suggestion is "if we had anything to hide why would we suggest dogs that could discover death scents all over the place and DNA in the apartment and our car?".
I'd say this contradicts the attempts to seek out a lawyer who can refute DNA evidence in court however. (If you thought there was none, why would you need to refute it?).
What will we hear next?
"McCanns requested to be interrogated for 11 hours straight"
"McCanns asked for case against them to be prepared and filed with prosecutor"
"Kate asked for PJ to take copy of private diary"
"Gerry suggested dogs sniff for body fluids in boot"
"McCanns urged to have their phone calls and emails bugged"
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scenicroute
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:28 am Post subject:
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Guilty or not, I can't help hating the mccanns.
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davey4justice
Joined: 07 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:30 am Post subject:
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What next?
'McCann's requested guilty verdict.'
'McCann's requested forty year sentences.'
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Brave Sir Gerry ran away, boldy ran away away...
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SuspiciousMinds
Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 176
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:46 am Post subject:
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[quote]What will we hear next?
"McCanns requested to be interrogated for 11 hours straight"
"McCanns asked for case against them to be prepared and filed with prosecutor"
"Kate asked for PJ to take copy of private diary"
"Gerry suggested dogs sniff for body fluids in boot"
"McCanns urged to have their phone calls and emails bugged" [/quote]
[quote]'McCann's requested guilty verdict.'
'McCann's requested forty year sentences.'[/quote]
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Finmental
Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Posts: 442
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:47 am Post subject:
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who paid for these expensive dogs then, let's see an invoice, paid by.....
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HAPPYDOG
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject:
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If you read this is says that they
they say they didn’t know that the police were searching for a body, when they asked PJ themselves, in July, to cooperate with a South-African professor who is a specialist in searching for cadavers.
(last paragraph of this article).
I think there's definately some spin going on don't you?
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Correio da Manha Aug 24 (courtesy astro)
English dogs denounced residue
Blood found in the McCanns�?van
The Policia Judiciaria collected a residue which the English dogs identified as being blood, in the car that was rented by the McCanns. The biological sample was sent to the Birmingham lab, but the result is not known yet.
The collection of the sample has confused the investigation. This is because the car was rented by the McCanns over a month after Madeleine disappeared, which means the child could never have traveled in the vehicle. And in doubt of what residue this is �?if it really is human blood, if it is possible to define a genetic profile, if it coincides with the 4-year old child -, the investigators keep all scenarios open. Nobody assumes publicly that the parents are suspects, but the possibility of their involvement is not being dismissed either.
As CM could further discover, at least one more organic residue was collected in the car of one of the family’s friends. It is unknown, in this case, whether it is a blood trace or some other residue, like saliva or even a blood stain.
The discoveries were made by the English dog, which is a specialist in the detection of residues, during the intense searches that were performed on all the vehicles of persons that could be related to the McCanns in any way. Robert Murat and his mother also saw their cars being inspected, but everything indicates that nothing relevant was found by police authorities.
Mosaic taken from bedroom
The second residue, which is also presumed to be blood because it was detected by the English dog, was found in the apartment where the girl disappeared from. CM knows that the residues were on the floor, but invisible to the naked eye. The tiles had to be removed from the apartment so the residue could be collected and sent to England.
It is also unknown what the exams�?result is: is the blood from Madeleine, from a stranger or from a sexual predator that is referenced on the sophisticated English database? Or is it not even human, or not identifiable, because the trace is so tenuous that it is not possible to extract a genetic profile?
There are many doubts and the impasse is increasingly evident. Although Policia Judiciaria does not depend on the results in order to strengthen the death theory that has been constructed for several weeks, these might be fundamental, if they point at a specific suspect.
The collected samples
The English dogs arrived in Portugal during the month of July. They are both specialists in finding residues, the first in blood residues, the second in the presence of cadavers. The animals remained in our country for approximately 15 days and checked the entire area that surrounds the Ocean Club. Besides the cars and the apartment, they found death odors on the beach.
Dog became nervous upon entering apartment
The dog that is specially trained to detect the odor of cadavers was very nervous when he entered the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared. The animal immediately ‘called�?his keeper, who understood his signs as the detection that, at that spot, a cadaver had been present. The discovery, if confirmed, also indicates that the body would have remained on that location for at least two hours, after death. Specialists say that only after that amount of time the odor becomes detectable.
Trail ends at the beach, south of the Ocean Club
The authorities walked the dogs at the surroundings of the Ocean Club. The trail that was defined by the dog that detects cadaver odors ends at the beach, south of the resort. CM knows that the policemen opened holes so the odor, in case the body was buried, would become detectable, and the dogs nervousness was evident. The area was then searched, but nothing found. The trail that was found by the dog matches the theories that were presented by the South-African specialist that was hired by the family.
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Silent Lab
The Forensic Science Service (FSS), in Birmingham, UK, does not offer an explanation for not having yet concluded the tests that were performed on the material residues that are linked to the Maddie case, which they received from Portuguese authorities.
Yesterday, CM searched for that answer with the communications cabinet of the lab, but no clarification was possible. The FSS is a unit with public capitals. It is independent from any police or system, but gives priority to services that involve the British polices.
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The witnesses that shake the friends�?group version
The contradictions that were found in the versions of the group of friends of the McCann couple have mainly been evidenced by depositions from Pamela Fenn, a neighbor of Gerry [and] Kate in the Ocean Club apartment, and from Dianne Webster, 63, the mother of Fiona Payne, who was present at the dinner of May 3 with her husband.
Pamela Fenn was heard by PJ on Monday for 4 hours, and her deposition shows some important details. The most relevant one is in the difference of 40 minutes between the moment when she offered to call the police for Kate McCann, who then said she had already done so, and the registered time of the call to GNR, informing of Madeleine’s disappearance. This witness, who was counseled by PJ not to make any statements to the media, also said she heard the child crying for her father, on the eve of her disappearance.
Dianne Webster is also a witness of some importance. The version that was presented by Maddie’s parents and by other members of the group, that there was a kind of rotation in the checks on all of their children, who had stayed each in their apartment, was not confirmed by Dianne Webster. In the version that she told the investigators, Dianne Webster, the grandmother of two of the children that were at the Ocean Club, did not confirm that organization of the couples to check their children in the apartments, and said each was responsible for ‘watching�?their own children. There are also mismatching versions about who got up during dinner to go to the bedrooms.
The detail that allegedly 14 bottles of wine were consumed at dinner by those nine persons is neither confirmed nor denied by the PJ’s investigators that were contacted by CM, who just stated: “It’s not in the case file�? At the present state of investigations it is not dismissed as a possibility that it may be essential to hear the elements of the group again, which is composed by couples Russell O’Brien and Jane Tanner, David and Fiona Payne, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield, Kate and Gerry McCann.
English conspiracy admitted
The possibility is put between ‘clenched teeth�?and is not clearly assumed. But it is starting to ‘go around�?the heads of policemen who, over the last three months, have committed body and soul to clarifying the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
The results of analyzes to residues that were found in Portugal were sent to England, but British authorities failed to explain the delay of the answer. There is no justification for the absence of preliminary results of exams whose conclusion date was set at between 6 and 14 days. It has been 17 and news coming from England leave nobody at rest. On a daily basis, newspapers report imminent operations, point to suspects, seem to be involved in a “giant machine�?whose sole purpose is to prepare British population for the possibility that the crime is going to be ‘in house�?
From the initial theory of a kidnapping in an “almost third-world�?country, where policemen were inefficient and children are not safe, the British media now turn to the possibility that it may have been an accident. And newspapers that are generally considered more “rigorous�?�?the case of ‘The Times�?is evident �?even present results of exams that the Portuguese police still does not know. It is being said that the blood that was found in the apartment belongs to a man and the lab announces it will open processes of violation of the judicial secret. But then they state the results are not ready, thus making it impossible to understand if the information is correct or not.
Several sources contacted by CM state their reservations on the events of recent days. And although they do not assume a “war�?with British authorities, who until now have shown themselves as rather cooperative with the investigation in Portugal, they admit that in England there is a “damage control�?policy. After all, the English have played tough, and a turnaround in the investigation could have devastating consequences even at government level. The prime minister, Gordon Brown, got directly involved in the case, not only expressing his solidarity with the McCann couple, but also through the direct involvement of people that are close to him, in aiding and supporting Maddie’s parents. On the other hand, British diplomacy itself opened the necessary channels for the McCanns to be received in several European countries and even by the Pope, in the Vatican.
Confusing the policemen there is also the alleged desire of the McCanns to return to their country. After insisting for three months that they would not return without finding their daughter, they now show themselves in the disposition of returning to England, while one of the justifications is perplexing, to say the least:
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