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spudgun
 
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involvement   
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In case anyone has any doubts as to the potential for an Internet Forum to ruffle feathers and be taken seriously, let me remind them of this:-
Some days ago, I posted a thread urging those interested to e-mail their Members of Parliaments a letter that I prepared and posted, questioning the role of this Government and specifically, Gordon Brown in the Madeleine McCann case.
Up until that point, there had never been any mention of any potential involvement by ANY UK Media outlet.
A certain member, (whom we all know and wish well), got a rather interesting response from a certain MEP! Those e-mails were subsequently forwarded to several Portuguese Media outlets, resulting in the news debacle that followed that we are all familiar with.
What is the most VALUABLE and positive result of this tale is that, as a result of the UK Press running with the tale, it has led to the Prime Ministers Office having to make a statement, saying that the Prime Minister Gordon Brown denied giving Gerry McCann VIP treatment.
In making that response, I would respectfully have to suggest that THIS FORUM managed to illicit a response from the Prime Minister to a question that so far, no UK Media outlet has DARED to ask!!
 
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[quote="spudgun"]In case anyone has any doubts as to the potential for an Internet Forum to ruffle feathers and be taken seriously, let me remind them of this:-
Some days ago, I posted a thread urging those interested to e-mail their Members of Parliaments a letter that I prepared and posted, questioning the role of this Government and specifically, Gordon Brown in the Madeleine McCann case.
Up until that point, there had never been any mention of any potential involvement by ANY UK Media outlet.
A certain member, (whom we all know and wish well), got a rather interesting response from a certain MEP! Those e-mails were subsequently forwarded to several Portuguese Media outlets, resulting in the news debacle that followed that we are all familiar with.
What is the most VALUABLE and positive result of this tale is that, as a result of the UK Press running with the tale, it has led to the Prime Ministers Office having to make a statement, saying that the Prime Minister Gordon Brown denied giving Gerry McCann VIP treatment.
In making that response, I would respectfully have to suggest that THIS FORUM managed to illicit a response from the Prime Minister to a question that so far, no UK Media outlet has DARED to ask!![/quote]
he's denied it, now will all the government conspiracy theories stop?
i doubt it---therefore it acchieved nothing really did it?
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Would you say it has been a good or a bad thing for the Prime Minister to be linked with the McCanns?
 
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Yes but what has he denied, giving vip treatment? Who defines the definition of vip here?
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve   
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i doubt it---therefore it acchieved nothing really did it?[/quote]
Yes it has, the proles are rising
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Loz54
 
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I'm still waiting to hear back from my MP.
 
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So he's denied giving VIP treatment to them, but he hasn't denied taking personal calls from Gerry McCann - like anyone else would get??? Do you have the complete statement of what he said?
We need more than that - reckon he needs a bit more forum pushing.
 
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This forum in particluar is very important.
It's certainly had Clarence and his cohorts in a spin.
 
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That's interesting. Tony Blair would have responded with "Of course I gave the McCann's VIP treatment - all British citizens receive VIP treatment when faced with such a tragedy - yada yada yada "
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Since when has anyone believed a government/ministerial denial?
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[quote="DIBarlow"]Would you say it has been a good or a bad thing for the Prime Minister to be linked with the McCanns?[/quote]
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At the moment, I think it's entirely neutral.
Public opinion is itself mainly waiting to see the outcome, and Brown didn't do himself any harm, IMO, to be seen to offer support to a British couple who had lost their child.
If they are ever charged and convicted, I think Brown will still benefit from having helped at first and then withdrawn at the right time.
If the case is never solved, then nothing much will happen anyway. People will continue to speculate, but the interest in it as anti-government muck-stirring will be marginal. There are bigger fish to fry.
 
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[quote="urcrazy"][quote="DIBarlow"]Would you say it has been a good or a bad thing for the Prime Minister to be linked with the McCanns?[/quote]
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At the moment, I think it's entirely neutral.
Public opinion is itself mainly waiting to see the outcome, and Brown didn't do himself any harm, IMO, to be seen to offer support to a British couple who had lost their child.
If they are ever charged and convicted, I think Brown will still benefit from having helped at first and then withdrawn at the right time.
If the case is never solved, then nothing much will happen anyway. People will continue to speculate, but the interest in it as anti-government muck-stirring will be marginal. There are bigger fish to fry.[/quote]
That's a very reasoned view urcrazy.
IF there is found to be some other 'undisclosed' connection however then the repercussions could be much greater.
 
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Now he has formally denied it, if at a future date it is proven that he did in fact do exactly that, we will have proof of a lie. This can be added to the collection of lies we know we've already been told, which are always denied. When you have a big enough collection - you send them to Parliament and they have an inquiry, which results in a bigger lied having to be told to cover-up all the others. It called politics.
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve   
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[quote="spudgun"]
In making that response, I would respectfully have to suggest that THIS FORUM managed to illicit a response from the Prime Minister to a question that so far, no UK Media outlet has DARED to ask!![/quote]
DARED to ask? Of course they haven't "DARED" to ask.
Mis-representing the facts, regurgitating gossip & generally making it up as they go along - would not be so easy to get away with if the Prime Minister was their target. They'd find themselves in big trouble if they so much as thought about it.
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No, Brown made a colossal mistake.
Say what you like about TB, but in matters such as this he'd always pass on his regrets etc but leave the matter to the relevant authorities - the PJ and legal system in this case. Even in the beginning when the news first broke, he would not have got personally involved, but would of course wanted to have been kept up-to-speed with the case. Sad incidents happen like this all the time, kids being shot, going missing...You can't make one more special than another.
But then TB didn't jump on bandwagons, he's a lawyer and knows how fatal this can be if you get it wrong. Brown jumped, and thought after. A bit like what he's done with every issue, policy since he's been in his much yearned for position of POWER!!!
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[quote="rhodes03"]
he's denied it, now will all the government conspiracy theories stop?
i doubt it---therefore it acchieved nothing really did it?[/quote]
££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Remember when TB said "Watch my lips" about Tax?
If any New Labour Politician said anything, I would need at least ten signed statements to back it up.
I wouldn't trust GB as far as I could kick him.
Where was the Goverment Support for RM and Michael Shields??
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You're all looking at it from the wrong end of the telescope. The McCanns are victims.
 
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Spudgun -- I agree with you. I think the point is that the question was asked and answered in the media. That the answer wasn't very full, is irrelevant -- it is the asking of the question "out loud", so to speak, that is key.
well done
 
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Of course if there is an "undisclosed connection" the biggest hurdle is getting the public at large to cotton on. Does the forum need its own spin team? Gordon Brown might deny VIP treatment to Gerry McCann (but to who else might he be offering "help"?) but why would the Portuguese talk of it being a "political" issue rather than a police investigation in the UK? And I'd ask again what Spudgun has - what was this business about Mr Brown "preparing" the British public - and we never heard any more (though I think the "preparation he had in mind was rather different to what some here hoped). It was noticeable from the comments on newspaper websites that when the reading public get it spelt out to them that there is "terrifying political influence" - courtesy of the unnamed breakaway Tapas lawyer - all that still occupies the readers' comments is the identity of the Tapas. We may as well throw in the towel.
 
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I agree Spudgun. Through this forum there has been a 20,000+ signature petition, 'Tapas 9' is widely quoted, Team Mc has addressed discrepancies highlighted here (and not in the UK press) and now Gordon has responded to concerns because of the actions of she-who-can't-be mentioned. Despite posters being called 'sad', 'vindicative' or 'deluded' I believe this forum has been 'helpful'!
 
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[quote="matti"]Now he has formally denied it, if at a future date it is proven that he did in fact do exactly that, we will have proof of a lie. This can be added to the collection of lies we know we've already been told, which are always denied. When you have a big enough collection - you send them to Parliament and they have an inquiry, which results in a bigger lied having to be told to cover-up all the others. It called politics.
Galloway on the state of Parliament - a shiver looking for a spine to run up.
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All political preferences aside ....
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"Gordon Brown has personally intervened in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann after her parents became frustrated by the lack of progress in the police investigation.
After a series of telephone conversations with Madeleine's father, Gerry McCann in recent days, the Chancellor requested assistance from the Foreign Office and the Home Office. He asked that pressure be brought to bear on the Portuguese authorities to allow more information about the inquiry to be made public.
Gerry and his wife, Kate, have been desperate for a description of a man seen carrying what appears to have been a child on 3 May to be made public, but Portuguese police refused for three weeks because of the country's laws, which forbid the details of an investigation being released.
The Observer understands that Brown gave the McCanns an assurance he would do 'anything he can' to help. The British embassy duly applied pressure on the Portuguese authorities to find more flexibility in their secrecy laws. British ambassador John Buck visited the Algarve last Thursday. A day later Portuguese police made a U-turn and issued a detailed description of the man, said to be white, 35 to 40, 5ft 10in and of medium build, with hair longer around the neck, wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.
Asked whether Brown had influenced the decision, Clarence Mitchell, a Foreign Office spokesman for the McCann family in the Algarve, said: 'Draw your own conclusions.' He said in a statement: 'I can confirm that telephone conversations have taken place between Gerry McCann and Chancellor Gordon Brown. During them, Mr Brown offered both Gerry and Kate his full support in their efforts to find Madeleine, although details of the conversations will remain private.'
Although they have praised the efforts being made to find their daughter, the McCanns were said to be increasingly frustrated in recent days at delays and communication problems. The family have met lawyers in the Algarve and threatened legal action to push for the information to be released because of the exceptional circumstances.
The Observer can confirm that a top law firm in London had been asked late last week to seek legal avenues through which the McCanns could be kept up to date on the latest developments in the investigations.
It also emerged yesterday that The Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall had been following the case 'closely and with deep concern'."
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What exactly did he do wrong? He's a human being and this very forum board proves exactly how passionately people feel about the case. If he buried his head in the sand and did sweet FA, would that make you happier?
Of course it wouldn't.
You enjoy & revel in the negative aspects of life (it seems to me). Do yourselves a favour, and start looking for the bright side? At the end of the day, you've lost the plot. Why are you taking it all so personally? If the pro-mccanns ever get made fools of (by the i***** on this forum) for their belief - at least they still have that spark of basic human kindness - nd do not use this sad tale as a launching pad for their own personal agenda ....
e.g driving home their own political stance, expressing deep-seated frustration & bitterness etc. etc.
 
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[quote="BlueBerry"]Mis-representing the facts, regurgitating gossip & generally making it up as they go along[/quote]
Sums up parliament in a nutshell.
 
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I really think it is very poor when people on this forum who dare to ask legitimate questions about this case are told in effect to "get a life" as though there is something wrong with wanting to know what happened to Madeleine. I don't like the phrase "chimp" or "troll" for people who offer support and understanding to the McCanns but equally why should people who have questions be told they are sad etc? It's such a cheap shot - to try and make someone feel nasty or vindictive when often posts asking questions are perfectly reasonable. I'm very very surprised that those who want the best for the McCanns aren't actually agreeing that it would be good if there was more transparency in this case and then people wouldn't need to ask questions. I'd have thought many people would want to know if the phone records had gone to the PJ and the DNA had been handed over - that way surely the McCanns would be able to show their innocence. But no, there seems to be a "stalling" and I think that bothers people. And why not? The public at large were invited emotionally and financially into the McCanns' tragedy at the start of this - with almost indecent haste in fact - and they rose to the occasion. Now they have invested in it, they want the best outcome for Madeleine and if they see that as asking questions, what's wrong with that? The thing that makes me most suspicious about this whole case is the fact that people so keen to show the McCanns are innocent (which they may well be, I have no idea) seem not to want to ask any questions that - taken to their logical conclusion - would release the McCanns from suspicion, if they are innocent of any involvement.
 
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[quote="rhodes03"]he's denied it, now will all the government conspiracy theories stop?[/quote]
of course not ?denying it doesn't mean it isn't true. Check out the damning video:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dWcyZ5N1G8
 
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[quote="BlueBerry"]All political preferences aside ....
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"Gordon Brown has personally intervened in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann after her parents became frustrated by the lack of progress in the police investigation.
After a series of telephone conversations with Madeleine's father, Gerry McCann in recent days, the Chancellor requested assistance from the Foreign Office and the Home Office. He asked that pressure be brought to bear on the Portuguese authorities to allow more information about the inquiry to be made public.
Gerry and his wife, Kate, have been desperate for a description of a man seen carrying what appears to have been a child on 3 May to be made public, but Portuguese police refused for three weeks because of the country's laws, which forbid the details of an investigation being released.
The Observer understands that Brown gave the McCanns an assurance he would do 'anything he can' to help. The British embassy duly applied pressure on the Portuguese authorities to find more flexibility in their secrecy laws. British ambassador John Buck visited the Algarve last Thursday. A day later Portuguese police made a U-turn and issued a detailed description of the man, said to be white, 35 to 40, 5ft 10in and of medium build, with hair longer around the neck, wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.
Asked whether Brown had influenced the decision, Clarence Mitchell, a Foreign Office spokesman for the McCann family in the Algarve, said: 'Draw your own conclusions.' He said in a statement: 'I can confirm that telephone conversations have taken place between Gerry McCann and Chancellor Gordon Brown. During them, Mr Brown offered both Gerry and Kate his full support in their efforts to find Madeleine, although details of the conversations will remain private.'
Although they have praised the efforts being made to find their daughter, the McCanns were said to be increasingly frustrated in recent days at delays and communication problems. The family have met lawyers in the Algarve and threatened legal action to push for the information to be released because of the exceptional circumstances.
The Observer can confirm that a top law firm in London had been asked late last week to seek legal avenues through which the McCanns could be kept up to date on the latest developments in the investigations.
It also emerged yesterday that The Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall had been following the case 'closely and with deep concern'."
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What exactly did he do wrong? He's a human being and this very forum board proves exactly how passionately people feel about the case. If he buried his head in the sand and did sweet FA, would that make you happier?
Of course it wouldn't.
You enjoy & revel in the negative aspects of life (it seems to me). Do yourselves a favour, and start looking for the bright side? At the end of the day, you've lost the plot. Why are you taking it all so personally? If the pro-mccanns ever get made fools of (by the i***** on this forum) for their belief - at least they still have that spark of basic human kindness - nd do not use this sad tale as a launching pad for their own personal agenda ....
e.g driving home their own political stance, expressing deep-seated frustration & bitterness etc. etc.[/quote]
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[quote="foxglove"]I really think it is very poor when people on this forum who dare to ask legitimate questions about this case are told in effect to "get a life" as though there is something wrong with wanting to know what happened to Madeleine. I don't like the phrase "chimp" or "troll" for people who offer support and understanding to the McCanns but equally why should people who have questions be told they are sad etc? It's such a cheap shot - to try and make someone feel nasty or vindictive when often posts asking questions are perfectly reasonable. I'm very very surprised that those who want the best for the McCanns aren't actually agreeing that it would be good if there was more transparency in this case and then people wouldn't need to ask questions. I'd have thought many people would want to know if the phone records had gone to the PJ and the DNA had been handed over - that way surely the McCanns would be able to show their innocence. But no, there seems to be a "stalling" and I think that bothers people. And why not? The public at large were invited emotionally and financially into the McCanns' tragedy at the start of this - with almost indecent haste in fact - and they rose to the occasion. Now they have invested in it, they want the best outcome for Madeleine and if they see that as asking questions, what's wrong with that? The thing that makes me most suspicious about this whole case is the fact that people so keen to show the McCanns are innocent (which they may well be, I have no idea) seem not to want to ask any questions that - taken to their logical conclusion - would release the McCanns from suspicion, if they are innocent of any involvement.[/quote]
Good point, very well made.
 
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........ By eliciting a response from Gordon Brown, this will open the door to further questions.
I hope those questions are more direct and along the lines of,
What can a UK citizen abroad expect in the form of Government support if involved in a criminal event?
Was Mr Murat offered those same services?
Another coincidental {?} offshoot is the recent Private Prosecution re: Child neglect news.
This guy is also a UKIP member, so maybe this news is to reiterate a party stance on the "McCann" issue in particular instead of some broadly discussed political involvement issues.
Some of the isuues are being broken down into their various components and the door is now opened for journalists to discuss "these issues" without breaching any possible legal repurcussions of team McCann.
{Or political pressure if indeed that is the case}
 
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve   
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What is the most VALUABLE and positive result of this tale is that, as a result of the UK Press running with the tale, it has led to the Prime Ministers Office having to make a statement, saying that the Prime Minister Gordon Brown denied giving Gerry McCann VIP treatment.
In making that response, I would respectfully have to suggest that THIS FORUM managed to illicit a response from the Prime Minister to a question that so far, no UK Media outlet has DARED to ask!![/quote]
That's good. I hope the next family of a missin person abroad will call and get their spokes person. They might be lucky if Clarrie is still tight up with the McCanns. They should not forget to ask for the ambassadors to meet them on their tour and have their "travel agent" arrange that the pope desinfects his ring before they kiss it.
ROFLMAO, no preferential treatment....
I want to make a bet that for countries like Germany and the US the ambasador only is dusted off and transported to the airport for heads of state.
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[quote="SirPrize
Was Mr Murat offered those same services?
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I believe not, but I sincerely hope he will ask for that NOW and FULL!!
(I hope for him that the next Clarrie is a bit more up for his task)
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Kate said: 'If I weighed another two stone, had a bigger bosom and looked more maternal people would be more sympathetic'
No Kate you should have BEHAVED more maternal'.
 
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It's a definitely a sign of obsessional behaviour when you see signs of "your work" all over the place.
It's a forum one of the millions of forums discussing this case.
Get a bit of perspective, for pity' sake.
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Well if you're looking, you're all over the place too. Get a bit of perspective yourself!
 
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[quote="foxglove"]Well if you're looking, you're all over the place too. Get a bit of perspective yourself![/quote]
Huh?
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve   
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[quote="joaohonesto"][quote="rhodes03"]he's denied it, now will all the government conspiracy theories stop?[/quote]
of course not ?denying it doesn't mean it isn't true. Check out the damning video:
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Where can we see the response from Gordon Brown?
 
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Hey Spudgun! Great eh?
I'm far from convinced that internet petitions work, least of all the one run by number 10! But there seems to be something in FORUM POWER!
And thanks to the Mirror. Whatever your motive? Whatever your politics?
You've given us this great opportunity to help further justice in Britain. Not just for Madeleine McCann either. Thanks again.
...and Spudgun, that letter was a very good idea! (Good video too mate.)
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[quote="urcrazy"][quote="DIBarlow"]Would you say it has been a good or a bad thing for the Prime Minister to be linked with the McCanns?[/quote]
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At the moment, I think it's entirely neutral.
Public opinion is itself mainly waiting to see the outcome, and Brown didn't do himself any harm, IMO, to be seen to offer support to a British couple who had lost their child.
If they are ever charged and convicted, I think Brown will still benefit from having helped at first and then withdrawn at the right time.
If the case is never solved, then nothing much will happen anyway. People will continue to speculate, but the interest in it as anti-government muck-stirring will be marginal. There are bigger fish to fry.[/quote]
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Any keyboard warrior can make silly allegations.
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 Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve   
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[quote="rhodes03"
he's denied it, now will all the government conspiracy theories stop?
i doubt it---therefore it acchieved nothing really did it?[/quote]
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Methinks you watch far too much TV. Conspiracy Theories? Sorry, but I don't subscribe to them. I simply want to know answers to simple questions.
Like why Gordon Brown has had innumerable telephone conversations with the McCanns. Like why the Government Media Monitoring Director is, and always has been, the McCanns mentor and spokesperson. Like why the Labour Government arranged a papal visit to the Vatican, state visit to the American White House and other meetings with European and world leaders. Like dictating editorial policy to newspapers here and abroad.
Perhaps you think such behaviour acceptable? Or perhaps you can remind me where such services, personal attention, privileges and treatment were ever afforded to other suspects in an overseas Crime?
I'm afraid Gordon Brown has rather shot himself in the foot here. He had an opportunity to state that it was "ludicrous" to suggest that he or the British Government had interfered, involved itself or otherwise become embroiled in the Madeleine McCann case. He did not. What he said, or rather his spokesperson said, was that Mr. Brown "denied giving Gerry McCann VIP treatment", which is entirely mendacious because it is abundantly clear, FOR WHATEVER REASON, (and I am not going to wildly theorise what), that VIP treatment is EXACTLY what the McCanns have received.
 
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I doubt if the Dour Scott reads anything here in person but do believe the likes of Clarrie "has his Ear" & does influence matters through the "Old Boy network"..
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I agree with foxglove said: "Of course if there is an "undisclosed connection" the biggest hurdle is getting the public at large to cotton on. Does the forum need its own spin team? Gordon Brown might deny VIP treatment to Gerry McCann (but to who else might he be offering "help"?) but why would the Portuguese talk of it being a "political" issue rather than a police investigation in the UK?
And I'd ask again what Spudgun has - what was this business about Mr Brown "preparing" the British public - and we never heard any more (though I think the "preparation he had in mind was rather different to what some here hoped). "
This is the important part.
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I'm pro Madeleine, believe in love and want justice for Maddy NOW!!!!
 
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not exactly sure what you are trying to do here. why shouldn't the government help it's own citizens...i don't understand why it is such a problem, i'd expect governmental help if my child were abducted in a foreign country.
it seems that anyone who shows support is on the hit list 
 
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It is amazing how some people think they are important and they direct something or anything in Madeleine's case.
It is actually very sad to imagine some sad soul behind the screen who thinks that his sick theories are making a difference.
In a way they do, every day, every moment, if untreated, his madness becomes more severe
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It is amazing how some people think they are important and try to direct attention away from what happened to Madeleine McCann.
It is actually very sad to imagine that some poor child may be forgotten because some sad (superior) soul behind the screen thinks his insults are making a difference.
In a way, they do, every day, every moment as the public's gullibility becomes more severe.
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[quote="DIBarlow"]Would you say it has been a good or a bad thing for the Prime Minister to be linked with the McCanns?[/quote]

A very bad thing.......Potentially office-exiting.
 
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from what i can find out i dont think joanne lees had the same kind of support when the australian media were dragging her name and reputation through the mud and i remember uk coverage giving the impression that she could have done it.
also there is a case in the midlands at the moment where the brother of a man who was found hung from a tree in an indian village is trying to find out what happened. the story goes that he tried to rape one of the women from the village and the men killed him for it but the case has been so badly managed and the "alleged" victim so suspect that his brother doubts the story - he has had to use his own money to go backwards and forwards to india to try and investigate himself as the police arent helping and the embassy are no better.
dont see any evidence of govt support for one of their own there either
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Agreed HeartShapedBox...."one of their own" - a phrase somewhat open to abuse I'd have thought.
 
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i agree Foxglove - i wish we fit into that category - life would be so much easier
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HeartShapedBox, call me puritanical but I'm very glad not to be "one of their own" - though it might depend on what any of us take that to mean.
 
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i was only joking Foxglove - i love children too much to become one of them as parental responsibility seems to be an overqualification for joining that particular group.
i dont mean love children in the way they do either.
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