Lee37
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject:
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I agree Spudgun. Through this forum there has been a 20,000+ signature petition, 'Tapas 9' is widely quoted, Team Mc has addressed discrepancies highlighted here (and not in the UK press) and now Gordon has responded to concerns because of the actions of she-who-can't-be mentioned. Despite posters being called 'sad', 'vindicative' or 'deluded' I believe this forum has been 'helpful'!
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lizzie1000
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:
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[quote="matti"]Now he has formally denied it, if at a future date it is proven that he did in fact do exactly that, we will have proof of a lie. This can be added to the collection of lies we know we've already been told, which are always denied. When you have a big enough collection - you send them to Parliament and they have an inquiry, which results in a bigger lied having to be told to cover-up all the others. It called politics.
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BlueBerry
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject:
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All political preferences aside ....
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"Gordon Brown has personally intervened in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann after her parents became frustrated by the lack of progress in the police investigation.
After a series of telephone conversations with Madeleine's father, Gerry McCann in recent days, the Chancellor requested assistance from the Foreign Office and the Home Office. He asked that pressure be brought to bear on the Portuguese authorities to allow more information about the inquiry to be made public.
Gerry and his wife, Kate, have been desperate for a description of a man seen carrying what appears to have been a child on 3 May to be made public, but Portuguese police refused for three weeks because of the country's laws, which forbid the details of an investigation being released.
The Observer understands that Brown gave the McCanns an assurance he would do 'anything he can' to help. The British embassy duly applied pressure on the Portuguese authorities to find more flexibility in their secrecy laws. British ambassador John Buck visited the Algarve last Thursday. A day later Portuguese police made a U-turn and issued a detailed description of the man, said to be white, 35 to 40, 5ft 10in and of medium build, with hair longer around the neck, wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.
Asked whether Brown had influenced the decision, Clarence Mitchell, a Foreign Office spokesman for the McCann family in the Algarve, said: 'Draw your own conclusions.' He said in a statement: 'I can confirm that telephone conversations have taken place between Gerry McCann and Chancellor Gordon Brown. During them, Mr Brown offered both Gerry and Kate his full support in their efforts to find Madeleine, although details of the conversations will remain private.'
Although they have praised the efforts being made to find their daughter, the McCanns were said to be increasingly frustrated in recent days at delays and communication problems. The family have met lawyers in the Algarve and threatened legal action to push for the information to be released because of the exceptional circumstances.
The Observer can confirm that a top law firm in London had been asked late last week to seek legal avenues through which the McCanns could be kept up to date on the latest developments in the investigations.
It also emerged yesterday that The Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall had been following the case 'closely and with deep concern'."
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What exactly did he do wrong? He's a human being and this very forum board proves exactly how passionately people feel about the case. If he buried his head in the sand and did sweet FA, would that make you happier?
Of course it wouldn't.
You enjoy & revel in the negative aspects of life (it seems to me). Do yourselves a favour, and start looking for the bright side? At the end of the day, you've lost the plot. Why are you taking it all so personally? If the pro-mccanns ever get made fools of (by the i***** on this forum) for their belief - at least they still have that spark of basic human kindness - nd do not use this sad tale as a launching pad for their own personal agenda ....
e.g driving home their own political stance, expressing deep-seated frustration & bitterness etc. etc.
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DIBarlow
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve
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[quote="BlueBerry"]Mis-representing the facts, regurgitating gossip & generally making it up as they go along[/quote]
Sums up parliament in a nutshell.
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foxglove
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:
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I really think it is very poor when people on this forum who dare to ask legitimate questions about this case are told in effect to "get a life" as though there is something wrong with wanting to know what happened to Madeleine. I don't like the phrase "chimp" or "troll" for people who offer support and understanding to the McCanns but equally why should people who have questions be told they are sad etc? It's such a cheap shot - to try and make someone feel nasty or vindictive when often posts asking questions are perfectly reasonable. I'm very very surprised that those who want the best for the McCanns aren't actually agreeing that it would be good if there was more transparency in this case and then people wouldn't need to ask questions. I'd have thought many people would want to know if the phone records had gone to the PJ and the DNA had been handed over - that way surely the McCanns would be able to show their innocence. But no, there seems to be a "stalling" and I think that bothers people. And why not? The public at large were invited emotionally and financially into the McCanns' tragedy at the start of this - with almost indecent haste in fact - and they rose to the occasion. Now they have invested in it, they want the best outcome for Madeleine and if they see that as asking questions, what's wrong with that? The thing that makes me most suspicious about this whole case is the fact that people so keen to show the McCanns are innocent (which they may well be, I have no idea) seem not to want to ask any questions that - taken to their logical conclusion - would release the McCanns from suspicion, if they are innocent of any involvement.
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joaohonesto
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve
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[quote="rhodes03"]he's denied it, now will all the government conspiracy theories stop?[/quote]
of course not �?denying it doesn't mean it isn't true. Check out the damning video:
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject:
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[quote="BlueBerry"]All political preferences aside ....
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"Gordon Brown has personally intervened in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann after her parents became frustrated by the lack of progress in the police investigation.
After a series of telephone conversations with Madeleine's father, Gerry McCann in recent days, the Chancellor requested assistance from the Foreign Office and the Home Office. He asked that pressure be brought to bear on the Portuguese authorities to allow more information about the inquiry to be made public.
Gerry and his wife, Kate, have been desperate for a description of a man seen carrying what appears to have been a child on 3 May to be made public, but Portuguese police refused for three weeks because of the country's laws, which forbid the details of an investigation being released.
The Observer understands that Brown gave the McCanns an assurance he would do 'anything he can' to help. The British embassy duly applied pressure on the Portuguese authorities to find more flexibility in their secrecy laws. British ambassador John Buck visited the Algarve last Thursday. A day later Portuguese police made a U-turn and issued a detailed description of the man, said to be white, 35 to 40, 5ft 10in and of medium build, with hair longer around the neck, wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.
Asked whether Brown had influenced the decision, Clarence Mitchell, a Foreign Office spokesman for the McCann family in the Algarve, said: 'Draw your own conclusions.' He said in a statement: 'I can confirm that telephone conversations have taken place between Gerry McCann and Chancellor Gordon Brown. During them, Mr Brown offered both Gerry and Kate his full support in their efforts to find Madeleine, although details of the conversations will remain private.'
Although they have praised the efforts being made to find their daughter, the McCanns were said to be increasingly frustrated in recent days at delays and communication problems. The family have met lawyers in the Algarve and threatened legal action to push for the information to be released because of the exceptional circumstances.
The Observer can confirm that a top law firm in London had been asked late last week to seek legal avenues through which the McCanns could be kept up to date on the latest developments in the investigations.
It also emerged yesterday that The Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall had been following the case 'closely and with deep concern'."
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What exactly did he do wrong? He's a human being and this very forum board proves exactly how passionately people feel about the case. If he buried his head in the sand and did sweet FA, would that make you happier?
Of course it wouldn't.
You enjoy & revel in the negative aspects of life (it seems to me). Do yourselves a favour, and start looking for the bright side? At the end of the day, you've lost the plot. Why are you taking it all so personally? If the pro-mccanns ever get made fools of (by the i***** on this forum) for their belief - at least they still have that spark of basic human kindness - nd do not use this sad tale as a launching pad for their own personal agenda ....
e.g driving home their own political stance, expressing deep-seated frustration & bitterness etc. etc.[/quote]
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roseland69
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject:
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[quote="foxglove"]I really think it is very poor when people on this forum who dare to ask legitimate questions about this case are told in effect to "get a life" as though there is something wrong with wanting to know what happened to Madeleine. I don't like the phrase "chimp" or "troll" for people who offer support and understanding to the McCanns but equally why should people who have questions be told they are sad etc? It's such a cheap shot - to try and make someone feel nasty or vindictive when often posts asking questions are perfectly reasonable. I'm very very surprised that those who want the best for the McCanns aren't actually agreeing that it would be good if there was more transparency in this case and then people wouldn't need to ask questions. I'd have thought many people would want to know if the phone records had gone to the PJ and the DNA had been handed over - that way surely the McCanns would be able to show their innocence. But no, there seems to be a "stalling" and I think that bothers people. And why not? The public at large were invited emotionally and financially into the McCanns' tragedy at the start of this - with almost indecent haste in fact - and they rose to the occasion. Now they have invested in it, they want the best outcome for Madeleine and if they see that as asking questions, what's wrong with that? The thing that makes me most suspicious about this whole case is the fact that people so keen to show the McCanns are innocent (which they may well be, I have no idea) seem not to want to ask any questions that - taken to their logical conclusion - would release the McCanns from suspicion, if they are innocent of any involvement.[/quote]
Good point, very well made.
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SirPrize
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:
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........ By eliciting a response from Gordon Brown, this will open the door to further questions.
I hope those questions are more direct and along the lines of,
What can a UK citizen abroad expect in the form of Government support if involved in a criminal event?
Was Mr Murat offered those same services?
Another coincidental {?} offshoot is the recent Private Prosecution re: Child neglect news.
This guy is also a UKIP member, so maybe this news is to reiterate a party stance on the "McCann" issue in particular instead of some broadly discussed political involvement issues.
Some of the isuues are being broken down into their various components and the door is now opened for journalists to discuss "these issues" without breaching any possible legal repurcussions of team McCann.
{Or political pressure if indeed that is the case}
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lovejust
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 811
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why this Forum WORKS Gordon Brown forced to Deny Involve
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[quote="spudgun"] snipped for bandwidth
What is the most VALUABLE and positive result of this tale is that, as a result of the UK Press running with the tale, it has led to the Prime Ministers Office having to make a statement, saying that the Prime Minister Gordon Brown denied giving Gerry McCann VIP treatment.
In making that response, I would respectfully have to suggest that THIS FORUM managed to illicit a response from the Prime Minister to a question that so far, no UK Media outlet has DARED to ask!![/quote]
That's good. I hope the next family of a missin person abroad will call and get their spokes person. They might be lucky if Clarrie is still tight up with the McCanns. They should not forget to ask for the ambassadors to meet them on their tour and have their "travel agent" arrange that the pope desinfects his ring before they kiss it.
ROFLMAO, no preferential treatment....
I want to make a bet that for countries like Germany and the US the ambasador only is dusted off and transported to the airport for heads of state.
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lovejust
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject:
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[quote="SirPrize
Was Mr Murat offered those same services?
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I believe not, but I sincerely hope he will ask for that NOW and FULL!!
(I hope for him that the next Clarrie is a bit more up for his task)
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Kate said: 'If I weighed another two stone, had a bigger bosom and looked more maternal people would be more sympathetic'
No Kate you should have BEHAVED more maternal'.
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poorhorse
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It's a definitely a sign of obsessional behaviour when you see signs of "your work" all over the place.
It's a forum one of the millions of forums discussing this case.
Get a bit of perspective, for pity' sake.
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