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From: MSN Nicknametin-lizzy  (Original Message)Sent: 2/27/2008 1:27 PM
Berlin Reporter, Phonecall, Der Telegraaf, Barn and Towel
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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Berlin Reporter, Phonecall, Der Telegraaf, Barn and Towel   
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Seismic Activity in June - Belrin Reporter's Slur on June 06th Kickstarts Bizarre Chain Of Events That Culminates in Gerry and O Brien's 25KM Phone Call on June 10th
Just wanted to start putting a timeline together based on a couple of things Scylla brought to my attention.
It's one way of putting the activity of Gerry and O?Brien on the June 10th into somekind of context. Several seismic events happened between 6th June and 13th June.
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*6th June (late afternoon) - German Reporter Accuses the McCanns
A reporter from German National radio station intimates for the first time in public that the McCanns may have been involved in Madeleine's disappearance.
“How do you feel about the fact that more and more people seem to be pointing the finger at you, saying the way you behave is not the way people would normally behave when their child is abducted and they seem to imply that you might have something to do with it?"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/t.....-19257865/
*6th June (later in the evening) - 'Credible Phonecall' from Kidnapper delays flight
Just as the McCanns prepare to fly from Berlin to Tempelhof airport in the German capital for a private flight to Amsterdam, Police get a timely 'credible call' from someone claiming to know where Madeleine is. The call, believed to have been made to police in Spain, is eventually traced to Argentina.
The couple leave for Amsterdam’s Schipol airport at 7.30pm, three hours later than planned - continuing their tour.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/t.....-19264190/
Gerry's blog: June 6th: "Afterwards we caught with a friend of mine who was attending a medical conference in Amsterdam. They have been actively campaigning here on our behalf with poster distribution, contacting media and liasing with companies to get advertising space for large posters of Madeleine".
Does this 'campaigning' include dispatching bogus tip-offs to Dutch Newspapers? Have they been offering that kind of help? And given that they arrived 3 hours late in Amsterdam at approx 8.30pm/9.00pm - how did they then manage to meet up with friends? And after such a momentous and energy-sapping day? Accusations from German reporters? Tip-offs from Kidnappers? That's right: the McCanns meet up for a few drinks with friends.
*7th June - McCanns in Amsterdam
The McCanns are in Amsterdam for more press conferences. The couple lived in Amsterdam for 12 months before the birth of the twins.
*8th-10th June - Amsterdam/Dutch Newspaper Receives Letter & Map
Dutch newspaper Der Telegraaf receive an anonymous letter and a map. The letter alleges to know where Madeleine's body may be buried. It describes an area North East of Praia Da Luz in the remote scrublands surrounding Odiaxere. The area lies roughly 19 KM north-east of Praia Da Luz. There is a reservoir a little further North - 25 KM north-east of Praia Da Luz. A series of ruinous farmhouses, barns and smaller reservoirs are dotted around this area between Odiaxere and Marmalete.
The letter and map are handed to Dutch Police who dust for prints and take DNA samples. It is in forensics before being handed back to the newspaper to publish on June 10th.
*10th June
Gerry and Kate attend church in Praia Da Luz in the morning before driving to Lagos late in the afternoon and flying to Morocco/Rabat in the evening.
A mobile phone call is made between Gerry McCann and Russell O Brien. Gerry states that they were only 5KM apart when the call is made. UK Telecomms experts contradict this statement - placing the two men some 25 KM apart.
With information gleaned from this phonecall a towel/blanket is found in an abandoned farmhouse/barn. Blood samples matching those of Madeleine and fibres from the Renault Scenic are detected on the blanket by forensics in the UK.
*11th June - Gerry expresses disappointment at decision to publish map & letter
Gerry writes in his blog of his disappointment that the Dutch newspaper decided to run the story about the letter and the map.
"We were extremely disappointed in the publication of the anonymous letter in The Telegraaf claiming to know where Madeleine is buried."
His phrasing suggests the existence of the letter and the map was already known to him. He has perhaps known about the existence of the map for some 48/72 hours. Mitchell is likely to have been informed about the letter's existence a few days prior to it being published on the 10th June.
*12th June
And on the 12th June we get yet another development: Self-proclaimed 'Spanish Investigator' Antoni Toscano takes his bizarre theory to the Clarence Mitchell:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts.....vestigator
*13th June - PJ receive letter and map.
*14th/15th June - PJ begin search for body on scrubland North of Odiaxere after a short delay.
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The statement made by the German reporter on June 6th seemed to kickstart a whole sequence of events that culminates in an unusual and secretive phone call between Gerry and O?Brien.
The previous 5 weeks had seen nothing - and then one slur later - there's one press earthquake after another.
Personally, I strongly suspect the 'credible phone call' from the kidnapper on the evening of the 6th June was staged; a direct response to the accusations made by the German reporter - a knee-jerk reaction by those involved to distract the world's attention away from the 'slur' and reinstate the McCanns as victims. And also raise the spectre of the paedophile gang: the necessary 'bogeymen'.
But where does that leave the letter and the map?
The letter arrives in offices of Dutch newspaper, Der Telegraaf just as the McCanns are leaving Amsterdam (7th/8th June). Did they send it? Did someone in their entourage send it? Was it a red-herring? Was it a clue? What's strange is that it's mailed to the Amsterdam newspaper around the same time the McCanns are in Amsterdam.
Perhaps we ought to approach the towel in the barn in much the same way: who put it there and why? Was it deliberately dropped at this location or was it simply a careless action on behalf of those responsible?
But why all this activity in such a small space of time?
The German reporter .. it seems to start here.
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Good questions... lord knows what the answers are.
 
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If anyone can fill the blanks in the timeline, that would be cool. Or if anyone has links to Gerry's blogs around this time .... 
 
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Re that Dutch letter, given the McCann's had just visited Amsterdam to publicise the case, it's probably just as likely that it was penned by some local nutter after seeing the McCann's on the news. Surely?
 
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Maybe the letter was from a shy pscyhic.
 
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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.c....._to_50.htm
Significant that he suddenly starts making so many "errors" on the dates here (also, re the June 13 entry - there was a lot of discussion a couple of days back on a thread started by CheeseMaster - the entry kept changing (content/date), then later disappeared).
I'm not a great one for the "coded blogs", but two things stick out around this time:
June 7: "Afterwards we caught with a friend of mine who was attending a medical conference in Amsterdam."
June 9: "No major news on the investigation front- we still believe it is just a single phone call away."
 
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From the Express article:
"Madeleine’s parents say Toscano refuses to answer any questions they put to him."
Hmmm ... a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Excellent investigative work, Blackwatch.
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[quote="firbank1"]Re that Dutch letter, given the McCann's had just visited Amsterdam to publicise the case, it's probably just as likely that it was penned by some local nutter after seeing the McCann's on the news. Surely?[/quote]
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Possible. But the letter bore striking resemblances to another letter some years before that accurately located the bodies of two Belgian girls, Nathalie Mahy and Stacy Lemmens (their murderer was of Moroccan descent)
But although it bore all the hallmarks of the previous letter - it was judged to be the work of someone else making it look like the first letter.
This is curious in itself. But what's more curious is that it pinpoints a location that either Gerry and O Brien appear to have made their June 10th call.
And because of this call a blanket is found that contains fibres from the McCann's Renault Scenic and samples of Madeleine's blood.
 
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i wonder whether all of this (Berlin reporter, Argentinian t/c, Toscano, Dutch letter) was instigated by the PJ to guage reaction. this was before the cadaver dogs, right? and the PJ only had a hunch to go on.
they were surveilling ROB. would they have let let him get so far out of sight that he was able to comfortably deal with disposal?
i can't believe they would be so stupid as to leave a bloodied towel lying around. i wonder whether it's true, or whether the PJ simply want GMC to telephone ROB and ask him if he left a towel behind.
 
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[quote="scotbot"]From the Express article:
"Madeleine’s parents say Toscano refuses to answer any questions they put to him."
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Yup. Toscano. Appears from nowhere and is not known to Spanish Police. Also contacts Mitchell before anyone else. The PJ takes his claims as seriously as they do the Morocco and Malta sightings and the work of the Metodo 3. In fact you could say he's a less fashionable version of the Metodo 3. A prototype. A dummy run. Work in progress.
He is also alleged to have been stopped from entering the McCanns apartment. But what was he doing visiting them in the first place? He'd just handed in his final report to the PJ. Why would he need to speak to the McCanns directly?
Was he picking up his pay cheque for services rendered? Renegotiating terms? Considering blackmail? Angry? Or just plain insensitive.
He came along just at the right time: just a the German Reporter had brought doubts into the public arena.
 
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[quote="emma2"]i wonder whether all of this (Berlin reporter, Argentinian t/c, Toscano, Dutch letter) was instigated by the PJ to guage reaction. this was before the cadaver dogs, right? and the PJ only had a hunch to go on.
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Sounds plausible enough. Trying to provoke a move by those responsible. Shaking things up?
 
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UncleMonty:
Cheers to you and Finmental for that. I thought remainder of the June 6th blog entry was interesting:
Gerry's blog: June 6: "Afterwards we caught with a friend of mine who was attending a medical conference in Amsterdam. They have been actively campaigning here on our behalf with poster distribution, contacting media and liasing with companies to get advertising space for large posters of Madeleine".
The friends are not just there for a medical conference, they have spent some time there campaigning for them too, contacting media etc
Would they be in a position to have produced the 'Der Telegraff Map and Letter? Did they meet up to finalize/discuss the plan?
I also can't believe that they met up with friends so late. They only left Berlin at 7.30pm. How long is a flight from Berlin to Amsterdam? Including check-in and baggag retrieval?
And how did they find time or energy to fit in a social visit after hearing only hours earlier from the alleged kidnapper of their child (the phonecall that delayed their flight)?
More bizarre behaviour.
**edits - blog entry was 6th not 7th June.
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[quote="blackwatch"][quote="emma2"]i wonder whether all of this (Berlin reporter, Argentinian t/c, Toscano, Dutch letter) was instigated by the PJ to guage reaction. this was before the cadaver dogs, right? and the PJ only had a hunch to go on.
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Sounds plausible enough. Trying to provoke a move by those responsible. Shaking things up?[/quote]

exactly. the PJ were trying to get them to move the body and talk about things.
i think we will find that it is the telephone evidence after the event that will be the most crucial evidence.
 
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