24 Horas Headline - Maddie was not seen after 14.30h
Goto page 1, 2, 3 Next
Forum Index -> The hunt for Maddy
View previous topic :: View next topic
Author Message
Alex33
Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 77
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: 24 Horas Headline - Maddie was not seen after 14.30h
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is the pact beginning to fold?
"Friend who had supper with the couple says that he did not see Maddie during all the afternoon
McCanns contradicted
One of the people who were between the seven friends who had had supper with Kate and Gerry McCann in the night where Madeleine disappeared disclosed to the 24horas that none of them saw the girl during all the afternoon of day 3 of May. According to this source, that
he in contrast asked for not to be identified, of what they will have said to the policy (to see box) Kate and Gerry will have lunchhed in the beach and later passed the afternoon in the swimming pool of the Ocean Club. “The children of the group had been supper to the restaurant Paradise, but the McCann had not come�? counted the source, adding that only it would come back to reencontrar Kate and Gerry in Tapas, to the supper.
The last photographic register of Maddie indicates that at least until 14h29 it she was alive. One is about a photograph taken off for Kate to the son next to the swimming pool of the Ocean Club.
Thus, the period between 14h29 and 20h40, hour the one that the McCann if had seated in the table supper in the restaurant You cover, in the Ocean Club, is still an incognito for the PJ. Contactadas for the 24horas, sources of the Judiciary one had affirmed that in the height where they had spoken with three of the friends of Kate and Gerry, nominated Rachel Oldfild, Jane Tanner and Russel the' Brien had not been made questions on the previous moments to the supper. The stories that exist are only of the Mccann.
The version of this witness opposes, thus, what he has been notified on the fact of Madeleine until having danced with the father, in the afternoon of the fatídico day, in the restaurant Paradise. “The group went many times there. But I have acerteza of that in day 3 Gerry and Kate had not been there before the supper�?
Moreover, the same source advanced that the McCann “had not locked the door of the apartment that gave for the patio�?and reaffirmed that “one of the windows of the room of Madeleine was opened�?
E more: the source advanced despite, in contrast of what he has been said, Kate did not cry out: “They take-in�?
“This is not truth. It appeared to cry out: `The Madeleine disappeared'�? The witness still pointed out the fact of the mother of Madeleine to have in such a way reacted with “as much horror and desepero�? that it was impossible to have pretending. “Gerry was histérico and started to cry out. The tears ran it for the face�? said.
For everything this, this witness mainly affirmed that it cannot leave to criticize the Portuguese policy, the one that “investigates the case�?
“It considered them suspicious, but nor it heard all the gifts. Of the seven, three had been only heard. Nobody never asked if we found that that desperation was to dissimulate�? affirmed the friends of the couple, adding that “that suffering was impossible
to be false�?"
Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Posts: 359
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:46 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bump..
thanks, very interesting, is it really starting to unfold. I'm sick of them critisizing the PJ again though.
Back to top
mum2four
Joined: 15 Aug 2007
Posts: 423
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:48 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So this contradicts the story of Madeleine seen dancing with her dad in the early evening. Interesting.
Back to top
RedLorryYellowLorry
Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 586
Location: 3rd cave on the left, Tora Bora
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:49 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Very interesting, although I'm not sure if the contradictions aren't just caused by the translation. The story has probably come from the McCann PR team, and has just become altered in translation.
_________________
"In these matters the only certainty is that nothing is certain."
Gaius Plinius Secundus (23 AD - 79 AD)
Back to top
sifta
Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 124
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:49 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Interesting.Any takers for this "friend" being Ms Webster?
_________________
"If a fish would keep his mouth shut, he never would get caught"
Back to top
Blunomore
Joined: 08 Sep 2007
Posts: 314
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:53 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
but the fact that ONE of the friends did not see M, does not mean she was not around ....
Back to top
HAL
Joined: 08 Jun 2007
Posts: 2434
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:00 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Which takes us back to the author's contention that the date stamp on the picture (13:29) might indeed be correct...or might even have been taken on another day.
"The last photographic register of Maddie indicates that at least until 14h29 it she was alive. One is about a photograph taken off for Kate to the son next to the swimming pool of the Ocean Club. "
Back to top
Justice_for_Madeleine
Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 25
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:06 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This seems to be the same source that the Mail used for thier story yesterday.
The Mail though failed to mention Madeleine not being seen again after 2.30pm. What a surprise.
_________________
Justice for Madeleine
Back to top
SirRobert
Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 635
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I will now turn to the pages of the august Times of London and the slightly less august Daily Mail to find their view on the news from 24Horas, their Portuguese paper of choice ..
... crikey, nothing at all of this amazing new story.
How very odd.
_________________
Everything undesigned or unexpected is not an accident (C A Russell KC, 1910)
Back to top
urcrazy
Joined: 16 Sep 2007
Posts: 148
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:12 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[quote="mum2four"]So this contradicts the story of Madeleine seen dancing with her dad in the early evening. Interesting.[/quote]
This story is simply a translation of the one in the Mail yesterday - there is nothing new to it since then.
The question of whether they really are on CCTV (and remember, the waiters claim to be sure and the film is supposed to be with the police) can only be solved if the PJ admit they have it and that the waiters didn't get the date wrong.
Their testimony is far too detailed to be a complete fabrication - they are either mistaken over the days (unlikely given that the Mail linked it directly to them seeing Gerry later than night in anguish on the beach) or the Oldfields, Tanners are lying.
Back to top
sentinel
Joined: 17 Jun 2007
Posts: 853
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:16 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
the house of cards starts to topple
Gerry was histérico
_________________
Every being in the universe knows right from wrong......... Prot
Back to top
kpnuts
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 679
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:32 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[quote="urcrazy"][quote="mum2four"]So this contradicts the story of Madeleine seen dancing with her dad in the early evening. Interesting.[/quote]
This story is simply a translation of the one in the Mail yesterday - there is nothing new to it since then.
The question of whether they really are on CCTV (and remember, the waiters claim to be sure and the film is supposed to be with the police) can only be solved if the PJ admit they have it and that the waiters didn't get the date wrong.
Their testimony is far too detailed to be a complete fabrication - they are either mistaken over the days (unlikely given that the Mail linked it directly to them seeing Gerry later than night in anguish on the beach) or the Oldfields, Tanners are lying.[/quote]
====================================================
I wouldn't say there is "nothing new" in it. 24 Horas has, unlike the British papers yesterday evening, at least realised the significance of establishing the veracity or otherwise of the McCanns' attendance at the Paraiso snack get-together.
Namely the fact that if the McCanns did not attend, it takes the last "documented" sighting of Madeleine alive and on this planet back to the 1.29pm/2.29pm photograph, the authenticity of which is furiously disputed elsewhere on this forum.
And it is not only 24 Horas "source" (which admittedly does seem to be the same source as yesterday evening's Daily Mail/Evening Standard source). The Mail itself (or Evening Standard; which are the same anyway in online terms) actually changed its report to state clearly and unambiguously that the McCanns were NOT at the Paraiso snack get-together, having previously reported the tragic perfect daddy Gerry stuff from the real or imagined waiter's quotes.
Admittedly, it is difficult to see how the newspapers, regardless of whose agenda they were pushing, could have got such detailed quotes from waiter and owner of Paraiso unless the McCanns had actually been there in the first place, all the more so if such testimony could be disproven by CCTV footage!
But it is equally difficult to see how the 24 Horas source (almost certainly a Tapas 7er) can claim the McCanns were not at Paraiso, given the supposed CCTV footage. And I would take the view that Tapas 7 have more to lose in terms of credibility than a waiter/cafe owner -- who could, of course, have been made an offer they couldn't refuse from a journalist's cheque book -- from telling such easily disprovable (CCTV) lies.
Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 635
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:43 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is picked up from the Mail. I don't know if the Portuguese actually identifies the source as a 'he', though. That's one for the linguists.
But 24Horas does, though, highlight that this evidence is in direct contradiction of the supposed CCTV story and goes further in having the 'source' imply that the day the cafe owner remembers was not the day in question.
This might indicate that the Mail actually got their story yesterday from 24Horas - they ran a big story last week from 24 Horas - along with the Times from the same source - which appeared to trash the forensic evidence.
_________________
Everything undesigned or unexpected is not an accident (C A Russell KC, 1910)
Back to top
GoodForYou
Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 901
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:12 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The witness still pointed out the fact of the mother of Madeleine to have in such a way reacted with “as much horror and desepero�? that it was impossible to have pretending.
Thiat looks like the same source the Daily Mail spoke to. That statement above was the key information in the Daily Mail.
I would say it has to be either one of the Paynes or Mrs Webster, probably the latter.
Back to top
GoodForYou
Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 901
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:19 am Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It was first reported that the McCanns did not tell police they were at the beach snack bar.
Now this witness says they weren't.
Two options:
So could the staff be mistaken? They may have later found the CCTV footage and remembered it, but from another day.
Or are the friend/s trying to undermine the story of the snack to help the McCanns? But why would that be? What purpose would it serve to hide that they were at the beach snack bar?
Back to top
Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First
Forum Index -> The hunt for Maddy All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2, 3 Next
Page 1 of 3
24 Horas Headline - Maddie was not seen after 14.30h
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3
Forum Index -> The hunt for Maddy
View previous topic :: View next topic
Author Message
Bedouin
Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Posts: 181
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[quote="mum2four"]So this contradicts the story of Madeleine seen dancing with her dad in the early evening. Interesting.[/quote]
So did the barman who saw them dancing see a double? Does someone have a child who looks v much like Madeleine? Did that child dance with Gerry in order to fuel the idea she was still alive then?
No, I can't think of anyone with a child who looks like Madeline and I believe Murat's looklike daughter was in Norfolk with her mother at the time. Any ideas?
Back to top
lovejust
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 420
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[quote="interested"]If your child went missing from a holiday apartment whilst left alone would you immediately become hysterical like Kate and breakdown inconsolably like Gerry on hearing the news? Or would you think maybe she had woken up and wandered off?[/quote]
Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Posts: 181
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[quote="lovejust"][quote="interested"]If your child went missing from a holiday apartment whilst left alone would you immediately become hysterical like Kate and breakdown inconsolably like Gerry on hearing the news? Or would you think maybe she had woken up and wandered off?[/quote]
That would be first thought, especailly when I left the door open.
But then I never left the door open and I never left them alone.[/quote]
_________________
I'd think she'd wandered. Then I'd worry she'd fallen in the swimming pool.
Failing that, I'd worry about her falling from balconies or into holes. I really would keep the abduction idea to the very last. As a mom of four i know that other dangers are more apparent than abduction by paedophiles.
Back to top
Loveactually
Joined: 07 Jul 2007
Posts: 252
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm really glad that the Mail have altered their stance. I got the feeling they were starting to do this a few days ago.
The Sun must be tilting towards McCann guilt otherwise I assume they would not let Jon Gaunt put his thoughts in the paper.
The Mirror IMO is swaying as well.
That's just 3 of the tabloids.
On Talksport radio you have Galloway and Gaunt who are both damning of the neglect of the children.
Back to top
carlan
Joined: 20 Aug 2007
Posts: 19
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[quote="lovejust"][quote="interested"]If your child went missing from a holiday apartment whilst left alone would you immediately become hysterical like Kate and breakdown inconsolably like Gerry on hearing the news? Or would you think maybe she had woken up and wandered off?[/quote]
That would be first thought, especailly when I left the door open.
But then I never left the door open and I never left them alone.[/quote]
My Grandson went missing for 2 minutes he had wandered off while i was on the loo followed the cat through some bushes and yes i became hysterical running round the street like a mad woman. Its very scarey and traumatic when a child is missing especially in this day and age.
Back to top
Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First
Forum Index -> The hunt for Maddy All times are GMT
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3
Page 3 of 3
Free Forum Hosting
Important Announcement
First 