Mag54
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:27 am Post subject:
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[quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="Mag54"]That's it, eat all our sardines and leave!
GL & ttfn![/quote]
I will lurk and may post (probably not as Roger or Debunker).[/quote]
I do hope so, got a feeling it's going to get hotter than Hell in here pretty soon!!
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pear
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:29 am Post subject:
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[quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="pear"]You were TOO caught in your own argumentation a couple of times, though, weren't you? Time to leave, yes...[/quote]
When using the argument ad absurdem technique, it is sometimes necessary to collaborate and contradict in absurd ways to draw out the underlying error in the argument.[/quote]
That's not what I was talking about, but let's leave it at that
Appreciate that you took mostly the angle of defense of rights to fair trial, this time, though. It's never enough to stress it.
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LALady
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:30 am Post subject:
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[quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="LALady"][quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="LALady"]Roger I mean DeBunker, you must have been having quite a laugh yourself at times with us because on occasions I know I felt like I was back at school - now I know why
"It committed suicide," said Marvin, and stalked off back to the Heart of Gold.
Best wishes in the real work.[/quote]
Sorry about that. I frequently used the Socratic Method (denying that I knew anything) to draw out the hidden motivations and beliefs behind what people were saying.
I also tried to demonstrate for my people how people would gradullay make more and more outlandish statements in a vain effort to defend a position that was untenable.
I did say publicly that I was a University Lecturer and was doing research in my previous DeBunker role, but becasue I was perceived as a Pro, this was ridiculed.[/quote]
Roger, I must say I missed where you stated you are a University Lecturer - I wish now I had! I can appreciate your tactic by the way.
Can I ask you if you are in Northern or Southern California because if I had to take I guess I would say Stanford or Berkeley.[/quote]
I am based in the UK but have a visiting post in CA- Southern California. Though I was a visitor for courses at Stanford (Love Palo Alto) (and outdoor exercise! at Berkeley) in the sixties and seventies.
I grew up in California (did you pick that up from a previous post?).[/quote]
Roger I sure did pick up on your California connection. I love Palo Alto too and am suitably impressed by your exercise venue! Is your post in the LA area? Sorry to keep asking the questions but it is pertinent to me, I wonder why?
In any event please make at least the occasional post here so we know you are alive and well.
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Primavera
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"Additionally a process known as Monster-barring takes place- any fact (a monster fact) that might call into question one's point of view , must be attacked viciously; contrariwise, and supporting evidence is accepted without real analysis and criticism. "
I do hope that in the interests of presenting a balanced view that you will apply the above to those who present the case for the abduction theory, with no real evidence to back it up. Also, those who brand others as, "haters," etc. The demonisation of, "other," has not been a one-way process.
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RogerRamjet
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:30 am Post subject:
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[quote="HawkEyes1"][quote="verbatim"] Do we get to see some of your students' analyses? It might be enlightening for some.[/quote]
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That is what I would love to see, RogerRamjet/DeBunker! Also, were any of the students themselves tempted to join in on any of the forum debates to test their own theories? Or was that forbidden? What was considered the most outrageous of all the theories posted here on the HUNT FOR MADDY forum? And who was considered the funniest poster?
Glad to know that you are also a fan of The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy!
We will miss your OPs and postings here.
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Students were requested not to interfere with the process, though obviously I could not stop them from doing so. I suspect that one or two might have registered and I suspect that some may stay around.
We didn't analyse the outrageous theories themselves- more interested in the how than the what- the process rather than the substance.
I will email the group and ask questions about their impressions, making clear that I may share them on this site.
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RogerRamjet
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:35 am Post subject:
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[quote="Primavera"]"Additionally a process known as Monster-barring takes place- any fact (a monster fact) that might call into question one's point of view , must be attacked viciously; contrariwise, and supporting evidence is accepted without real analysis and criticism. "
I do hope that in the interests of presenting a balanced view that you will apply the above to those who present the case for the abduction theory, with no real evidence to back it up. Also, those who brand others as, "haters," etc. The demonisation of, "other," has not been a one-way process.[/quote]
We did a two week sample analysis of both those subjects. My notes are currently not available (I am traveling) but IIRC they show that the maintenance of the abduction theory was done largely in a 'most reasonable guess but not a definite conclusion' manner, rather than the lurid speculation about really outlandish theories. The analysis of abuse (even given the bias of the form and the very few number of people self identifying as Pros, showed that the great majority of the so called 'Bullying'- name calling, ridiculing and abusing- came from the Antis. It also showed that a very small number of Pros were responsible for a large amount of the abuse from their side, whereas there was a more generalized abusive attitude from a larger percentage of Pros.
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HawkEyes1
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:36 am Post subject:
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[quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="HawkEyes1"][quote="verbatim"] Do we get to see some of your students' analyses? It might be enlightening for some.[/quote]
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That is what I would love to see, RogerRamjet/DeBunker! Also, were any of the students themselves tempted to join in on any of the forum debates to test their own theories? Or was that forbidden? What was considered the most outrageous of all the theories posted here on the HUNT FOR MADDY forum? And who was considered the funniest poster?...[/quote]
Students were requested not to interfere with the process, though obviously I could not stop them from doing so. I suspect that one or two might have registered and I suspect that some may stay around. We didn't analyse the outrageous theories themselves- more interested in the how than the what- the process rather than the substance. I will email the group and ask questions about their impressions, making clear that I may share them on this site.[/quote]
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Will look forward to the group's impressions, RogerRamjet!
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KappyKanz
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:36 am Post subject:
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Hi Roger, I have always thought you were very intelligent with your straight forward style of writing.
You included this in your statement to the Academic which I don't really understand and hope you can clarify: " . . . must be demonized- even individual posters on this board. Because they are supporting the devil, they must be devils themselves- paid to do it by demonic forces (chimps), or child abusers themselves!"
I once read a post that said if you study paedophelia then you must be a pedo. I thought the guy was wacky to say that as it made no sense. It would be like saying because Pat Brown, profiler, studies and is an expert at serial killers, she is one too! Such a generalization could not be a truth IMO. Of course I have never taken a class like you give. Also educated in Oregon, not Berkeley or like institutions. lol
Thanks ahead of time for your response.
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sabot
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:37 am Post subject:
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BUMP.
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RogerRamjet
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:38 am Post subject:
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[quote="LALady"][quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="LALady"][quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="LALady"]Roger I mean DeBunker, you must have been having quite a laugh yourself at times with us because on occasions I know I felt like I was back at school - now I know why
"It committed suicide," said Marvin, and stalked off back to the Heart of Gold.
Best wishes in the real work.[/quote]
Sorry about that. I frequently used the Socratic Method (denying that I knew anything) to draw out the hidden motivations and beliefs behind what people were saying.
I also tried to demonstrate for my people how people would gradullay make more and more outlandish statements in a vain effort to defend a position that was untenable.
I did say publicly that I was a University Lecturer and was doing research in my previous DeBunker role, but becasue I was perceived as a Pro, this was ridiculed.[/quote]
Roger, I must say I missed where you stated you are a University Lecturer - I wish now I had! I can appreciate your tactic by the way.
Can I ask you if you are in Northern or Southern California because if I had to take I guess I would say Stanford or Berkeley.[/quote]
I am based in the UK but have a visiting post in CA- Southern California. Though I was a visitor for courses at Stanford (Love Palo Alto) (and outdoor exercise! at Berkeley) in the sixties and seventies.
I grew up in California (did you pick that up from a previous post?).[/quote]
Roger I sure did pick up on your California connection. I love Palo Alto too and am suitably impressed by your exercise venue! Is your post in the LA area? Sorry to keep asking the questions but it is pertinent to me, I wonder why?
In any event please make at least the occasional post here so we know you are alive and well.[/quote]
Let's put it this way: I was not happy with the Sunday AFC result- we used to be a generally poor side and that I could cope with- decades of despair, but recently we have become persistent runners up, and that is even worse.
Look south.
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meadow
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:09 am Post subject:
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They come in all shapes and forms on this forum
You just have to laugh sometimes.
Since no conclusions could ever be drawn unless there exists a level of 'control' groups and validation.
Would be interesting to read the 'final' paper.
Rather like going to a lynching and then saying everyone 'there' joins in
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Ismellarat
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:10 am Post subject:
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[quote="Vexiana"][quote="vancouver1"][quote="Vexiana"]More Bullshiite from DeBunker and you fools are swallowing it hook, line and sinker�?
As DeBunker he was a lecturer at a British University and lived here�?no mention of ANY US connections what so ever.[/quote]
He is clever, though, you must admit
As I mentioned above, I work at the University of British Columbia, and I'm in a position where I daily consult the online calendar for information about courses, course numbers, etc.
If Professor Ramjet would kindly supply the course number and link to his university's description of the post-grad course he has been teaching, my curiosity would be satisfied.
As mentioned, I googled his course name and just couldn't find it. If this is a course for credit - pass / fail or letter grade or percentage score - it really should be listed somewhere.[/quote]
When he was claiming to be a lectuer at a Uni in the West Country, Plymouth or Exeter IIRC , another poster piped up that they had links to the Uni's he was/had been at and could veryfy his bona fides�?surprise, surprise, 'DeBunker' promptly dissapeared off the forum.[/quote]
......this extended good-bye note from Flamjet/Deflunker is further evidence that he is another faker from planet Onania
Palo Alto ?, hah MK job centre more like
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meadow
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:12 am Post subject:
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Do you get the thread title
Goodbye everyone thank you for the fish
THAT WAS SAYING
We were the bait !!
OMG ! are you some nice type of person.
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bomaris
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:12 am Post subject:
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Yes, I don't think an academic either.
A joker.
Roger doesn't really take account of the following:-
1. This case disturbs a lot of people not because of any unhealthy interest in a sensational crime, but more because of the attempt to pass off the McCanns' behaviour towards their children as normal. Many people feel that it has been outrageous the way the media have colluded in this attempt. Many feel it has had an all round bad impact on child welfare because parents tempted to indulge in this sort of neglect can now feel some sort of justification - it's perfectly normal behaviour - what are the chances of abduction - virtually zero - but otherwise the behaviour is OK.
2. Because of 1 many people have lost any sympathy they had for the McCanns and are determined that the truth should be got at.
3. All matters of great public interest attract nutte'rs. Clearly there is the vindictive, disturbed, conspiracist wing of the antis but most people concerned about the McCanns' behaviour are simply determined that the truth should out and are looking at this perfectly rationally. They pointing out all the defects of reason in the spinning tide of McCann propaganda - the endless stream of "we've found her"/"we've found them" stories. The numerous little niggling distortions that leave the observer very unhappy with their version.
4. The witchhunters - people who pursue allegations with no good evidence for doing so - are on both sides. Murat and his girlfriend have both been fingered and subject to horrible inuendo and speculation. The PJ and its professional officers have been vilified.
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RRR
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:13 am Post subject:
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"I am based in the UK but have a visiting post in CA- Southern California. Though I was a visitor for courses at Stanford (Love Palo Alto) (and outdoor exercise! at Berkeley) in the sixties and seventies.
I grew up in California (did you pick that up from a previous post?)."
Then this forum must seem like a horrific acid flashback to you at times.
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SallyGardens
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:14 am Post subject:
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[quote="kevin2105"][quote="SallyGardens"]Or it could just be fabrication......anyway, 'bye Rog/debunk!!![/quote]/LogicBomb[/quote] ----------------- God Speed, Rog!!!
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kevin2105
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:15 am Post subject:
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[quote="RogerRamjet"][quote="Mag54"]That's it, eat all our sardines and leave!
GL & ttfn![/quote]
I will lurk and may post (probably not as Roger or Debunker).[/quote]
Why does that not surprise me. Is anyone actually buying this nonsense?
Why is DeBunker a member of the chimpandtiger site (Google it all as one word). Was that for research too?
Cadaver dogs alert on PORK! remember? This poster has been with us since the summer and is a self-confessed serial user of identities.
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