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Post subject: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:50 am
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Location: Wherever you want me to be Faces analysis techniques point to failures in the McCanns description
"The kidnapping thesis is ludicrous"
A 3 dimensional video, made by the team Paulo Sargento and Pedro Gamito ridicules the photo-fits
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The work was made during a week by the forensic psychologist Paulo Sargento in partnership with the technological engineer Pedro Gamito.The team juxtaposed the three photo-fits that existed from the presumable kidnapper and work them in 20 programs of faces analysis.
And dismounted the kidnapping thesis, "The kidnapping thesis is ludicrous" defends Paulo Sargento.
The video begins with the first image of the kidnapper (the faceless man) walking with the kid in his arms. In the subtitles, in English, the researcher questions: "How can the first description of the kidnapper be so vague? 1,70 meters high, dark skin, Mediterranean hair. Six months after the first description a second image: "Is it possible not to see the face of someone that carries a child and notice the beige trousers the brown jacket and the classic shoes?"
The video shows "the intuition form of looking to someone that carries a child".You look from the waist to the head and not from the waist to the feet.
Eight months after, the last photo fit the face of the man with beard and long hair. "We show that this photo-fit is inconsistent with the first one. Curiously it keeps the brown jacket and the dark hair, the only common characteristics", referred to 24 Horas Paulo Sargento.
"Neanderthal style"
The "superciliary arcades" (the frontal cranium behind the eyebrows) are the style of the Neanderthal man and point to an archetype of the criminal" the forensic psychologist comments. "This means that is a hybrid photo fit made to give an appearance from the region of the Maghreb. But why must the kidnapper be from Morocco, Spain or Portugal and cannot be Anglo-Saxon? It would even make more sense to be someone who knew the family routine", he concluded. If the PJ wants to use the video it is available on the Internet.
http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.p ... 64&link=09
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LA Lady Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:12 am
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Location: across the pond Thank you so much Li. I must admit that the article says it all. Do we now call this latest sketch 'Neanderthal Man'? If so, it goes to show how this search for the Mcs 'abductor' is going backwards and does it end with the 'Big Bang'?
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kezwalk Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:28 am
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Posts: 115 The "superciliary arcades" (the frontal cranium behind the eyebrows) are the style of the Neanderthal man and point to an archetype of the criminal" the forensic psychologist comments. "This means that is a hybrid photo fit made to give an appearance from the region of the Maghreb. But why must the kidnapper be from Morocco, Spain or Portugal and cannot be Anglo-Saxon? It would even make more sense to be someone who knew the family routine", he concluded. If the PJ wants to use the video it is available on the Internet.
http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.p ... 64&link=09[/quote]
In examining the previous photo fits from Team McCann the experts come up with a sketch that is sending messages at a subliminal level. Praying on deeply rooted unconscious archetypes and employing the current fearful racial profile of a Moroccan (i.e. muslim). This is how deep the spin permeates OooooMyyyyyGooooood
btw Thanks Li for the continued commitment
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LA Lady Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:40 am
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Location: across the pond Hi Kezwalk. Subliminal messages, yes. Abduction is after all about the 'bogeyman'. We've already witnessed xenophobic comments so this ties in very well. The subliminal message is 'fear' in every direction. So are we being asked to demand a solution? Or is this the PJ taking the Michael? I know what I think
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kezwalk Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:19 am
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Posts: 115 LA Lady wrote:
Hi Kezwalk. Subliminal messages, yes. Abduction is after all about the 'bogeyman'. We've already witnessed xenophobic comments so this ties in very well. The subliminal message is 'fear' in every direction. So are we being asked to demand a solution? Or is this the PJ taking the Michael? I know what I think
I think the PJ are exposing the spin and alerting the public as to how they are being manipulated at an unconscious level. The academics are very clever in illustrating this using the McCann photo fits. They were also very clever in exposing the absurdity of the 8 min 'window' of opportunity that underpins the whoosh cluck comment
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beachy Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:21 am
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Posts: 293 Thank you, Li.
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Trinket Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:46 am
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Posts: 109 Neanderthal says it all--and yet Jane Tanner and the other Tapas implicated Murat.
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kezwalk Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:17 am
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Posts: 115 You would think that Sky News would have this revelation - i.e. the probability of Madeleine McCann being abducted by a Neanderthal Morrocan man with an 8 minute window of opportunity - would be breaking news - but the silence is deafening!!
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LA Lady Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:39 am
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Location: across the pond kezwalk wrote:
You would think that Sky News would have this revelation - i.e. the probability of Madeleine McCann being abducted by a Neanderthal Morrocan man with an 8 minute window of opportunity - would be breaking news - but the silence is deafening!!
Hi Kez. I don't know why but this is beginning to make me think of the movie 'The Planet of the Apes'. Pure science fiction but with a startling ending.
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Summertime Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:53 am
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Location: Somewhere ALONG The Rainbow... This circus is stenching too much.
When will we stop discussing the minor things, and realise once and for all that a bad parental careless couple had give an end to their daughter, both or one of them.
They had exterior help to get rid from Madeleine.
Two countries are making a sort of agreement to let these criminal free.
Attention please: when I say two countries, I´m referring to these countries governments. Not both people.
However the two people´s countries haven´t any fault in the cover up, we have the duty, yes, it´s a duty and a ritght, to have no peace untill the moment that all the truth(or part of it) appears on the public domain and we then can have our own place on this weird and sad show.
Our place isn´t conforable at all. Our "job" is to join efforts and don´t allow them dare think that they will get away, free from this.
Politicians, dirty millionaires that are supporting criminals must have to go to court and be punished. In this saga, is not only the team McCann who has to face charges. Each and everyone who took part on this crime, in any way, must be hardly punished.
We have to do something.
This something is short and clear: Stand up and high and make our voices be heard in such a way that keep completly clear thay we will not surrender.
We must let them know that we DO know what´s going on and we are not disposed to allow more indignity.
First the truth, second Justice HAS to prevail and third, the place for criminals is in jail.
Madeleine, the cute and wee little girl with her childhood as a dream and her death as a reality?
Irreversible. Nothing to do about rescuing Madeleine.
But we ought to honour her memory. It´s the less we can do for her and also to avoid more "Madeleines" in the future.
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Payge Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:51 am
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Posts: 77 It is sickening to realise already that this piece from 24 Horas will
NOT be reproduced by the UK media, and therby exposing their
despicable bias for those two unconscionable scruffs in Rothley.
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Summertime Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:00 am
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Location: Somewhere ALONG The Rainbow... Don´t worry, Payge. Someone will provide the information for them.
Much more important than their knowlege is OUR knowlege.
They know what they´ve done. We know what they´ve done and they know that we know it.
They will not have one second at peace.
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Punter6 Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:05 am
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Posts: 43 Indeed.
"INDEPENDENT EXPERTS DISPUTE LEGITIMACY OF MCCANN SUSPECT IMAGE"
Is most definitely not the news story that you will see in the British press.
However, had this expert said that the images were consistent the front pages would have roared:
"INDEPENDENT EXPERTS PROVE LEGITIMACY OF MCCANN SUSPECT IMAGE"
Sadly, the McCann sage is possibly the low-point of British journalistic integrity and international self-respect.
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JillyComeLately Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:11 am
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Thank you very much as always, Li.
We can all see the way the propaganda machine works, we need a 21C Captain Swing!
I believe summertime is right, we should stop talking about irrelevancies and make a stand.
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mickey1 Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:47 am
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Location: Scotland Thank you Li
It seems that JT first described Gerry then realised and had to change it
Cooperman looks like Kate
Both realised what they had done so now we have neanderthal man who looks as far as possible from any of the T9 and Murat.
what subliminal messages are JT and Cooper trying to tell us??
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Finmental Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:55 am
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Posts: 109 Thankyou Li... and good morning all...
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Kim48 Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:06 am
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Posts: 312 Thanks Li. Good post Summertime.
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bomaris Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:09 am
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Posts: 67 Great article. Why don't we have a few like that in the UK press?
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maid marion Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:31 am
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Posts: 7 Yes, I have noticed the UK media never pick-up on stories that are negative to the mcanns. They only print press releases from Clarence!
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NeverPebbles Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:41 am
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Posts: 45 Perhaps we should all 'target' the newspapers with copies of this translation?
Does anyone have a list of British newspaper email addresses?
If nothing else, it would cause them a bit of extra deleting and cost us nothing except a couple of minutes.
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mumof5 Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:28 am
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Location: Southport Payge wrote:
It is sickening to realise already that this piece from 24 Horas will
NOT be reproduced by the UK media, and therby exposing their
despicable bias for those two unconscionable scruffs in Rothley.
Exactly.
Thank you Li.
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Dimsie Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:50 am
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Location: N Ireland It's interesting that it's 24 Horas that's printed this, as for a while they seemed almost to be taking a pro-McCann stance. I'd begun to think Clarence had nobbled them, but this article shows they're not afraid to tell the truth about what the experts think of the McCanns' attempts to foist an 'abductor' on to the public. But we're unlikely to see it in the UK papers as they've neither the fairness nor the guts to print something that Clarence wouldn't approve of.
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fedrules Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:56 am
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Posts: 242 Thanks Li.Interesting point:[quote][/quote]".You look from the waist to the head and not from the waist to the feet'.Who notices peoples's shoes,but not their face?
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paralipsis Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:29 am
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Posts: 102 A rare (very) case of alien abduction! Unexplained bright light seen in the sky over PDL on 3rd May at 10 pm. Psychic in Amsterdam saw it all!
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ann_chovey Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:48 am
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Location: Ireland fedrules wrote:
Thanks Li.Interesting point:
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".You look from the waist to the head and not from the waist to the feet'.Who notices peoples's shoes,but not their face?
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Exactly. If you meet someone on a narrow road, or see them passing further along, you would "clock" them i.e. look at the face, to see if you knew them or if they're friend or foe. Basic survival instinct, going back eons. You would not take special notice of their feet i.m.o.
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quark1 Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:49 pm
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Posts: 50 NeverPebbles wrote:
Perhaps we should all 'target' the newspapers with copies of this translation?
Does anyone have a list of British newspaper email addresses?
If nothing else, it would cause them a bit of extra deleting and cost us nothing except a couple of minutes.
Great idea Neverpepples! I routinely email threads regarding Portuguese coverage to them
It is MUCH more 'productive' to email all the newspapers, journalists, etc than to post on this forum (although this forum is brill, and it is great to discuss the case and get all the latest news....but then we all need to DO SOMETHING with the things we discover here!). So, come on guys, get emailing!!
I do have loads of email addy's in my address book Unfortunately, I am still so thick, re computors, that I have no idea how to 'post a link' or 'copy and paste' But all newspapers have lots of 'contact details' on their websites....so take a few minutes to gather them all and put them in your email addys...then it just takes seconds to email them!! (Lori Campbells addy does not work any more for some reason!! )
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Alpine Aster Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:58 pm
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Posts: 105 Thank you Li
I know I read on Gerry's Blog that the first ID he had a long dark blue jacket and he was Caucasian, with his hair a bit longer at the nape of the neck, classic shoes beige coloured trousers, and people in the Mirror Forum commented on a picture of Gerry in a dark blue jacket and beige trousers the time that Gerry wrote about the first ID on his blog.
The second ID he had a maroon top on and lots of hair, swarthy.
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lovemedo Post subject: Re: 24 Horas - 12/2/2008Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:04 pm
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Posts: 130 he really looks a lot like ötzi! [url]http://www.ötziwelt.de/rezeption.html[/url]
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