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 | | From:  PCmagnum (Original Message) | Sent: 6/4/2008 2:11 AM |
I just purchased a 1967 Patrol and need some help. The local Goodyear dealer said they wouldn't recommend aligning it until I put new suspension and tie rod bushings in, along with perhaps wheel bearings.... I also want to lift the truck, and would like to know the best way to do it so it handles and rides great. I have seen people talk about putting the leaf springs on top of the axles, others about blocks, and others about doing an actual suspension lift, but nobody gives references for parts..I'm esspecially interested in an actual lift that would help it handle and ride better. Another thing I need is the windshield molding. any ideas? What is the best carb to put on this unit to get a good combination of power and economy. Someone stuck a single barrel carb off of a 63 chevy on this and it got 10MPG on my 1550 mile trip. Not fun. and here is the last major thing..where do I get a head gasket?? Thanks! |
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I believe the best place for spings is here:
http://www.alcanspring.com/
Bearings and so forth should be able to be sourced through nissan. I'm not 100% on that but you should probably spend some time looking through the compatible parts list.
Carb is up to you. I have a Bull & Ball on now but am moving to a Rochester. There are a bunch of threads about them as well. BTW, I'm not sure you'll see a heck of an improvement on mileage and you might be better off rebuilding and tuning your current carb.
Windshield trim you'll have to look on Ebay and so on.
http://groups.msn.com/NissanPatrolClubAlbuquerque/compatibleparts.msnw
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Tie rod bushings??? Sounds like something that Goodyear would try to sell you - there is no such thing on a Patrol. Tie rod ends, possibly, but they are no longer available. And frankly, I don't know of many Patrols that have had an issue with them. The ties rod ends on these things are HUGE! Keep in mind that there is only one alignment adjustment on a Patrol - it's either castor or camber, I don't remember which right now. You can find information on how to do it yourself, rather than trusting it to someone that has never even seen a Patrol, let alone worked on one. 10 MPG highway is about the best you're going to get with the P engine. The Patrol was never intended to be a highway vehicle. |
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Thanks. That helps. It seems like it's easy to get a lot of wrong information. Any insight into lifting it???? I like the idea of putting the axle at the bottom of the springs....but don't know if that will work because it looks like on the front axle, the passenger side bolts nearest the diff bolt right into the diff case..... Somebody said something about an aftermarket lift that makes it ride and handle better...that would be great as well. |
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Jon on RMP-O did an SOA. Check it out:
http://www.rmp-o.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=121
Tripper |
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You can get springs made at alcan in CO. They can make them with a 2" lift for you. You'll find that a 2" lift is plenty good enough for what you want the Patrol to do, and it doesn't comprimise the rise quality. Consider that your existing springs are 40 years old and pretty flat. A 2" inch lift will actually raise your truck 3 to 4 inches! And it will definitely ride better than it does now on those old springs. Unless you are planning on doing some major re-engineering and modification to your suspension, I wouldn't recommend going the SOA way. The ride and control will be much worse. |
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 | | From: Fud | Sent: 6/5/2008 5:19 PM |
Not sure I agree....
Do we know what his intended use for the truck is, I don't see where he has really said that.
As you have stated the truck was never intended for hwy use or high speeds.
Offroad the suspension could use tons of improvement. Stock it has somehting like 6-8" of flex with everything in great shape. Maybe less in the front, that is horrible offroad. Considering LR Discoveries came with around 12" stock! Mods can be done to suspension ranging from simply removing things limiting flex to going to spring over axle or even more wild. Depends on your budget and desire for the truck. Personally something in the middle from stock to highly modd'ed seems about right for most people. True doing a SoA will change how the truck handles on pavement but if done right it shouldn't be to terrible. Things like quick disconnects on sway bars can also be done to help keep it good on road and still perform well offroad.
The suspension on my 83 Patrol is completely custom. Leaf springs removed and I am running Fox air shock with a 4-linked rear and 3-linked front. It actually handles amazing well on the pavement. In fact the truck feels better on pavement then when it was stock, mostly do to the steering being much better. I was planning a spring over axle on the truck but what changed my mind is when my fab shop said to me...leaf springs is really old technology. Dating back to pre-automobiles. We can come up with something much better for a comparable cost that uses todays technology! That was it...no more leaf springs for me!
If you want a better carb or fuel system. Go with a Weber and adaptor plate. Every other carb available to get on the truck is an ancient piece of junk! Or better yet do a mega squirt fuel injection system, that will really change and improve the truck. But ya...once again it is no a hwy vehicle and will never get great gas milage!
My suggestions are not for most people....but this isn't rocket science, common snese goes a long long ways. But here is a suggestion for everybody!
Get on google and type in 4wd spring over axle suspension. Also search for things like Weber carb conversion, just because the searches bring up Jeep or Landcruiser stuff doesn't mean they do not apply to us Patrol owners. To start off you need to educate yourself and just because an article is about a Jeep doesn't mean it won't apply to a Patrol. All the same rules apply but you need to understand how an old truck works and how to modify one. If you do that then when G/Y or some other idiots says something stupid to you, you can reply with an educated response instead of getting on the internet and saying, "I was told this, don't know what it means, are they right?". Websites like Pirate4x4 are awesome. Not very friendly to the people who are new to 4wds but the amount of info you can find there is unreal. The internet is your friend, search, read, learn! |
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 | | From: Fud | Sent: 6/5/2008 5:26 PM |
also RHD tie rods are metric thread, USA Patrols have standard thread. That causes issues trying to put a non-USA tie rod on a USA Patrol.
Keep in mind the truck is 41yrs old. It was designed in the 1950's using technology dating to the 1930s! While all old trucks are cool the Patrol is my pick. But keep in mind old means just that...OLD! A lot can be improved upon using todays technology. |
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The RHD or LHD tie rods are the same thread, until 1978, when Nissan made the change to metric all around (in fact, they're the same, with only the grease fiiting changing side). With that in mind, fairly new stock will be as you said, metric, and will not fit. The great thing about the Patrol tie rods, is that they can be adjusted to compensate the little wear that they develop over time. If you look at the bottom of the tie rod, there's a cap with a big slot. The cap is threaded and can be rotated to adjust the wear. First, you will have to get rid of the indentations that are done on the side, to prevent rotation of this cap. A grinding wheel is all that it takes. I've done this. While you're at it, it will be wise to clean everything inside as well. ------ Regarding carbs, I have installed a Carter YF 1-V, that came from a 1980 Ford Bronco, 6 cyl. Power is good, and it's giving me 13 mpg in highway use. The stock Hitachi was giving me 12 mpg. I know that a Weber will be the best, since it's a two stage carb. Head gasket: look for one for the P40 engine. |
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Greetings and happy repairing, A lot of good points and discussion here, so my two cents worth: Instead of adding or changing springs, get your springs rebent. I live outside of columbus, Ga, and there is a metal working shop that did just that for me. $100 and it raised the old 69 4" and it rode pretty good with new shocks. On the carb just rebuild what you have and everything will work just fine. remember this was the biggest most powerful engine used in a four wheel drive until the 1990s. It beat toyota fj-40, land rover series II and jeep in 1965 for HP and torque. So there are some trade offs. Must say I like mine stock, but the new technology will help a lot either way you go. sincerely, feldmarshal |
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