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From: MSN NicknameElGato196  (Original Message)Sent: 9/16/2008 1:53 AM
 
Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch!!!
My God! What are these people in Houston bitching about?
They are alive! The government got them out before they got their asses washed out to sea or blown away.
They are being given food and water, yet there are people who are still complaining that FEMA and the government learned nothing from Katrina.
What did they expect the government to do? Bail them out and put them up in mansions? Give them silk sheets to sleep on? Give them champaign to drink instead of bottled water?
Jesus-friggin-Christ, I can't stand it! You got to pull your own boot straps up, brush your self off and get back to work your own damned self!
Gimme a friggin' break....PLEASE!!!


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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 9/16/2008 7:53 AM
Ed, you're right, I was not in Houston this time, but I have rode out hurricanes. Besides, if what was show on TV of the governments response to Ike, I fail to see what the people were complaining about. What and how much do they expect the government to do for them?

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 9/16/2008 12:32 PM
We had a huge windstorm that came through our area on 5 July 2005 with winds clocked at over 100 mph.  It blew down trees and disrupted electricity and other utilities all over our area of a 1/4 million people.  It lasted all night from 10pm on 4 July to 5am on 5 July.  Now, this is hardly a hurricane (and mercifully not a tornado).  However, the damaged caused by all the fallen trees was huge.  Our power was totally out for five full days.  Some people didn't get it back for nearly 10 days.  Commonwealth Edison brought in crews from as far away as Texas to help restore power.
 
Our neighbors got out chain saws and chopped-up the fallen trees and limbs (as much as possible) to allow vehicles through and so the stuff could be removed.  We helped each other deal with the mess as much as possible, especially for those who had physical disabilities.  Our neighbors pulled together while emergency and restoration efforts were going on.  You do what you can with what you have.  A couple of days after we'd gotten a lot of the side streets cleared we drove around our area to survey the damage and saw cars flattened by huge limbs or parts of fallen trees and crushed garages and partially damaged houses.  (Our power was still out for another three days.)  We considered outselves luck that such a storm had not happened during the winter when there'd have been the cold and snow to fight besides the other mess.
 
We were very lucky that the branches and limbs that bell from our trees and the neighbor's trees did little damage; hitting between buildings -- or in the neighbor's case, missed his garage and laid across his chain link fence. 
 
No, it wasn't a tornado or a hurricane or a flood (and we've had a belly full of floods this year), but we help our neighbors first.  Let the other disaster relief people do their jobs when they get there, but we do what we can to help our neighbors or help the relief efforts.  What we aren't doing is sitting about waiting for our idiot governor, Blagojevich, to declare us a disaster area or FEMA to show up.
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameriverChief6572Sent: 9/16/2008 8:56 PM
we werent hit directly by katrina
 
we were in the northeast corner
 
vehicles damaged
 
trees down
 
it took us a year to clean up
 
and we didnt wait for anybody
 
we did it ourselves

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From: MSN NicknameDispatch691Sent: 9/17/2008 12:58 AM
This is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.
We in the Houston area took a direct hit from a Hurricane and people died, and as in Katrina people were flooded, and as in Katrina a complete section of our beach front community is now missing. This only happened to us for about a weak now. And as ya'll say Katrina was for over a year. How about over three years. We still have people in the Houston area living off FEMA and crying because they are not getting help.
I have no idea what you people are seeing that upsets you enough to talk about other peoples problems this way but I thought you might have some feelings about people and what they are going thru.
This is the kind of stuff I have talked about before. I am going to use the collective Ya'll, are quick to ask for prayers for all kind of things but when people really need help and understanding you dont seem to be able to relate or bring yourself to understand what other people are going thru.
You can talk all you want about a near hit or how you rode stuff through but until you take the direct hit you dont know what you are talking about.
Now as I have found, in the past, when I make a comment to a stupid post I start taking heat and people threaten to ban me. Well do it it is fine I really dont care. I have sat back and not said to much just to see what would happen. Now I know.
THIS IS THE LAST THING I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS MATTER. I WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN. SAY WHAT EVER IS ON YOUR MIND BUT JUST THINK BEFORE YOU DO ABOUT THE PAIN AND TROUBLES OTHERS ARE GOING THRU.

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 9/17/2008 3:59 AM
*sigh* I know what you said, but the people affected by Ike have been in my prayers from the very beginning.
It is dropped and no more will be said by me, either!

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From: MSN NicknameriverChief6572Sent: 9/17/2008 4:12 AM
it helps if you walk the walk
 
donate to the red cross as i did

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From: MSN NicknameriverChief6572Sent: 9/17/2008 5:47 AM

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 9/17/2008 10:59 AM
You are correct, Chief. Money has been sent. I want no American citizen to suffer needlessly!

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 9/17/2008 11:27 AM
 
I do not now nor have I ever advocated letting the people hurt by Hurricane Ike sit and rot in their own crap. I am a firm believer in donating to the American Red Cross so all who experience disasters like Ike can be helped to recover. NO American citizen should have to suffer needlessly.
I hate saying this, but obviously people whom think they know me are casting me as a heartless bastard. Well, maybe at times I am, but never in a case where American lives are at stake.
Help them and save them, yes! I was angered by the complaints of people receiving the aid.
Again,"What did they expect?"

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From: MasterGunner02Sent: 9/18/2008 1:59 PM
Based on my less than satisfactory experiences with the American Red Cross in the military, I make all my disaster relief donations to the Salvation Army.  The SA has the least overhead and gets the biggest bang for the buck with $0.90 of every $1.00 spent getting to the people who need it.  The same cannot be said of the ARC.

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From: MSN NicknameCat-TNSent: 9/18/2008 2:21 PM
So many of the more well known relief agencies are so crippled by their own expenses, that I am leery of donating to any of them now. I would prefer to help sponsor those actual groups I know of locally who go to disaster sites and hand out food and help with shelter for those affected by the event. I feel much more confident that my money is actually being spent to help those in need, and not for the splashy commercials I see on tv touting their causes.
 
Of course there are going to be adverse reactions from those who would have preferred better accomodations or whatever while they are displaced. I'm surethey would have preferred that their home not been destroyed, and that they  had not been forced to evactuate in order to save their own life and those in their family.  Our preferences don't always come into play in such situations. But the stress and heartache resulting from what these folks have been put through can make you say and do things you'd never dream of saying or doing under normal circumstances.
I think we should cut them some slack here and realize that many harsh things are spoken in times of true disaster such as those we are living through now.
 
Just one woman's opinion here.

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 9/18/2008 2:21 PM
OK, Salvation Army is cool, too!

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From: MSN NicknameColin6686Sent: 9/18/2008 2:35 PM
Cat-Tn,  Right on!  Various church groups that send people and supplies to the affected areas receive my support because all donations go toward helping the needy.  As a matter of fact, my community sent two truckloads of supplies along with 8 members from out parish last week to assist those in the midwest recover from damages done months ago when the rest of the country has forgotten about them already.
 
I too dislike the Red Cross with the exception of blood donations because of my experiences with them.  I still remember the GI who was flown home by them when one of his parents died so he could attend the funeral.  A few months after he returned to the combat zone he received a bill from the Red Cross for his transportation!  Grrrrrrrr!  They will NEVER receive $$ from me. 

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From: MSN NicknameriverChief6572Sent: 9/18/2008 4:36 PM
im not pushing the arc
 
but just making it available
 
my sister got in financial trouble when i was in nam on first tour
 
and i wanted to send her $300
 
the arc told me they would send it
 
and that it was a no interest loan
 
and that i would have to pay it back
 
that worked for me

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 9/19/2008 5:02 PM
The Salvation Army is still the most efficient of the private aid givers. 
 
The ARC has been involved in too many scandals for me.  They took a huge PR hit about 10 years ago when the huge salary and benefit package the boss was drawing got made public.  He had to resign (with a golden parachute) and the compensation package was "realigned" -- disguised to be less embarassing from the PR vantage point.
 
When Katrina and Rita hit the Gulf Coast, the ARC mounted a relief blitz for the victims and said that donations could be directed to recipients specifically for that purpose.  Then they said, no -- only a part of the donations would filter down to the Katrina and Rita recipients -- the rest would go into the ARC general fund.  Then they received a firestorm of negative public opinion and potential lawsuits and changed their minds.  (Nothing like a pissed-off public and lawyers to get the ARC bigwigs mind's right.)
 
During the 1995 Midwest floods, the ARC did it again.  For those flooded out, before you could get any kind of aid from the ARC, you had to take out a lien against your property to get assistance.  In other words, they were giving you a loan and using your property as collateral, when you were at your worst financially to cope.  The practices of the ARC continue to leave a bad taste in my mouth, so that's why I'll always give to the Salvation Army.  They have an outstanding record and get the aid to the people in need.

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