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Older weapons: : The .38 Super
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From: MSN NicknameBugGuyShooter52Sent: 10/24/2007 12:01 AM
 
 
OOPS    Screwed that up..LOL
 
MG, I'm always looking at a new gun, as you know. What can you tell me of the .38 super? I see that Colt offers it in a 1911 semi-auto style. Although I don't know the price, Colt has always made fine guns.
 
Thanks  BGS
 

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From: MasterGunner01Sent: 10/24/2007 2:13 PM
The .38 Super is a very powerful cartridge that has not achieved a lot of popularity in the United States, but has had notable success in Mexico and other South American countries that reserve the .45 ACP for military and police use.  I had a friend that found a used .38 Super Colt Government Model.  He had trouble fining ammunition for his and finally had to reload his own ammunition to feed it.  Since then, there has been some increased interest in the caliber, but it still remains hard to find at most retailers of over-the-counter ammunition.  The .38 Super is a semi-rimmed cartridge that is loaded much "hotter" than the 9mm Luger or Parabellum cartridge.  Here's what Wikipedia says on the .38 Super.
 

.38 Super

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.38 Super
Type Pistol
Place of origin USA
Production history
Manufacturer Colt
Produced 1929
Specifications
Parent case .38 ACP
Bullet diameter .356 in (9.04 mm)
Neck diameter .384 in (9.75 mm)
Base diameter .384 in (9.75 mm)
Rim diameter .406 in (10.31 mm)
Rim thickness .050 in (1.27 mm)
Case length .900 in (22.86 mm)
Overall length 1.280 in (32.51 mm)
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
90 gr JHP 1557 ft/s
(~475 m/s)
485 ft·lbf
(~660 J)
100 gr FMJ 1450 ft/s
(~442 m/s)
467 ft·lbf
(~635 J)
115 gr FMJ 1395 ft/s
(~425 m/s)
497 ft·lbf
(~676 J)
130 gr FMJ 1305 ft/s
(~398 m/s)
492 ft·lbf
(~669 J)
150 gr FMJ 1148 ft/s
(~350 m/s)
439 ft·lbf
(~597 J)
Test barrel length: 5"
Source: Accurate Powder [1]

The .38 Super is a pistol cartridge that fires a .356 inch diameter bullet. The Super was introduced in the late 1920s as a higher pressure loading of the .38 ACP. The old .38 ACP propelled a 130 grain bullet at 1050 feet per second (fps). The improved .38 Super Auto pushed the same 130 grain bullet at 1280 fps.[2] The .38 Super has gained distinction as the caliber of choice for many top pistol match competitors. In overall sales, it lags far behind most other pistol cartridges today.

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Design

The .38 Super is dimensionally identical to the older .38 ACP but is loaded to higher pressures. It was intended that the cartridge would headspace on the semi-rim, however all new .38 Super pistols headspace on the case mouth as with other cartridges in this class. Because the semi-rimmed case can cause some feeding trouble in magazines, especially double stack magazines, rimless variants of .38 Super like .38 Supercomp, .38 Super Lapua and .38 TJ (.38 Todd Jarrett) have been developed.

In 1974 the industry added the +P headstamp to the .38 Super to further distinguish it from the lower pressure .38 ACP. Most current ammunition manufacturers label ammunition for the Super as .38 Super +P.

The cartridge was designed for use in the M1911 pistol and was capable of penetrating the body armor and automobile bodies of the time.[3]

Performance

The .38 Super offers higher bullet velocities than the 9mm Parabellum in factory cartridges. Greater case capacity allows for more powder and higher velocities at lower pressures. Also, because most .38 Super firearms were designed for the larger .45 ACP, .38 Super guns tend to be strong enough for heavier loads.

The .38 Super has made a huge comeback in IPSC and USPSA sports shooting, particularly when equipped with a compensator, because it meets the minimum power factor to be considered as a Major charge, while having more manageable recoil than .45 ACP.

Muzzle velocity

  • 7.5 g (115 Gr) Full Metal Jacket: 425 m/s : 1395 ft/s
  • 8.0 g (124 Gr) Full Metal Jacket: 410 m/s : 1346 ft/s

Synonyms

  • .38 Super Auto
  • .38 Super ACP
  • .38 Super +P
  • Super 38
  • 9x23mmSR +P

Notes

Due to Mexican laws governing civilian use or possession of ammunition classified as military calibers, such as 9mm Parabellum and .45 ACP, the .38 Super is a popular round in Mexico.

Even though .38 ACP and .38 Super are the same size, it can be potentially dangerous to use .38 Super ammunition in a firearm chambered for .38 ACP. There are over a dozen autoloading pistol cartridges, both semi-rimmed and rimless, in this caliber. Often, foreign or ambiguous headstamps make identification impossible. When in doubt, it is best not to fire suspicious cartridges in any firearm.