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| | | From: Dick (Original Message) | Sent: 8/2/2008 9:16 PM |
| It's about time. What you guys think? SF, Dick |
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Dick, I have an 1896 Krag .30-40 bolt-action carbine which I got via Auction Arms for a very good price from a pawn shop in CA. I had the damndest time getting the guy to ship the gun directly to me because he said the local ATF office said it had to go through an FFL transfer. I had to quote the ATF chapter and verse from their own regulations and Warman's Guide to Antique American Firearms to convince them that the rifle had to have been produced prior to 1898 and was therefore exempt from FFL transfer because it was legally an antique. I could have just done the FFL transfer for $25 but it was a matter of principle, y'know? I have ammo but haven't shot it yet and likely won't until I have a good gunsmith check it out. You've aroused my curiosity about whether Pershing commanded black troops at Kettle Hill and I'll do some digging into that and let you know. Some MOH's were awarded to 10th and 11th Cavalry troopers back during the Indian Wars, but were later downgraded to lesser awards because when they were awarded there were no other medals to recognize gallantry in action such as Bronze and Silver Stars and the Crosses. Kind of like the Purple Heart, which George Washington authorized as a ribbon for meritorious service and it wasn't changed to a recognition of being wounded in action until about 1932. Good for that USAF guy. A lot of the guys in my Blue Knight chapter are also members of the Buffalo Soldiers Motorcycle Club. As much as I decry affirmative action, I'm equally against not recognizing the significant contributions blacks have made to the history of this country, especially in the military. Did you know that the first Marine to be awarded the MOH in Vietnam was black? Mikey, Thane of Duninsane Mikey, Thane of Duninsane |
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| | | From: Dick | Sent: 8/8/2008 6:46 PM |
Mikey, Make sure to have a butt cushion when you fire the .30-40 is all I remember, for your shoulder and your ass. I found this: http://www.42explore2.com/bufldier.htm and it says we were both right. There was the 9th & 10th Cav and the 24th and 25th Infantry in MT/Dakota Territory. Besides Fort Keogh there's a town called Fort Smith near Hardin, MT that was a barracks later. I didn't know also there was a Fort Custer near Hardin (and the Battle Field), unitl I was wiring a big house and the back bar he was installing was from the officers mess from the old fort. I checked it out and sure nuff it existed a few years after Custer's debacle. I'm now wondering if the Buffalo Soldiers infantry might be the ones that were turned back by Indians while trying to relieve Custer. I'll have to browse these sites some more. Locals say if the infantry made it over the hill from Rosebud Crk. to the Lil Big Horn, the outcome would have been a lot different as they also had newer rifles where the ammo brass was forged instead of a crimped extracter rim that bent on the Cav and had to take time to clear the jams....to much time. Kind of like the 7th in Nam with the old M-16's where there it was the wrong powder. |
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Dick, I'm saving the butt pads for the day I finally work up the nerve to shoot my .577 Snyder-Enfield, which puts out a 500 grain bullet. I may wait until the day an elephant trespasses upon the sacred soil of Duninsane for that, though. I did a little snoopin' and poopin' to see if Pershing commanded black troops in the San Juan/Kettle Hill attacks, but haven't found anything definitive yet. I did find out that I was mistaken on the cavalry regiments which were made up of black troopers. It was the 9th and 10th, not the 10th and 11th. Mikey, Thane of Duninsane  |
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| | From:  Ga1222 | Sent: 8/9/2008 4:33 AM |
Micky, I din't realize that I had fallen in with a bunch of history buffs. I thought that I was nuts because I am so into history. The areas that I have spent most of my time in are the War of Northern Agression, WW2 and Vietnam. I thought that it was because my great-grandfather rode with Cobbs Legion, I had two cousins KIA on Iwo Jima and I went to Nam. As a side, I had an uncle that rode with Pershing when he went into Mexico after Villa Now I take it that we are all a little caught up in what has gone before. The old west is of interest but I never really got into it that much. You mentioned that the first Marine to receive the MOH in Vietnam was African American. The first official MOH was O'Malley for an action in August '65, Paul got one for the same date but Reasoner was awarded for an action July '65. I don't know how they figure all this. We probably should all get together and make sure that the young men coming out of Quantico really know their heritage. Ben |
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Ben, Yep, we are indeed some history buffs. I have 7 - 3'x7' bookshelves crammed with books, mostly on military history, and Dick is also a history nut. I'm also a militaria collector, a hobby which keeps me broke but happy. My forebears were Scots who emigrated to the colonies, but were run out during the Revolution for being Tories. They settled in New Brunswick and two of my grand-uncles were KIA serving with the Canadian Scottish Rifles in WWI. My grandfather came to the States somewhere around 1915 and my father was born in MA. His older brother got his American citizenship by joining the Army at the outset of WWII and eventually retired a Lt Col after serving in tank destroyers. His outfit was the first TD battalion to cross the bridge at Remagen. My older brother served in the Army and retired as a CWO4 after a 22 year career which included his being awarded a Bronze Star w/"V" device, another Bronze Star for meritorious service, and a Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry 1/C while serving with the 24th Div, running a platoon of Kit Carson scouts. An uncle on my mother's side was in the Navy and was awarded a Silver Star for actions as a coxwain on a landing craft at Saipan. I, on the other hand, did an undistinguished three years in the Corps and was perfectly content with getting out with three stripes and my arse in one piece. Mikey, Thane of Duninsane |
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Living in an RV I have limited space, but I do travel with a 9mm and a 357.
AZ allows you to carry as long as the weapon IS NOT concealed (unless you do have a permit to conceal)
Jennifer and I left a club in Glendale, AZ after her band had played that night. The only other person in the bar was the manager, and his girlfriend was going to pick him up, so we were actually the last car in the parking lot.
When we cleared the end of the building I noticed a car parked in the shadow of the trees a distance away. 3 individuals exited the car and began moving our way. I instructed Jen to hit the unlock and lay over in the seat. I went around the rear of the car, opened the door and pulled the 357 out from under the driver's eat. Keeping the door between them and myself I simply placed my forearm across the top of the door and asked them quite simply, "is there something I can do for you?", at which point they stopped, simply said, "we thought you were someone else", and retreated.
I do not doubt for a minute they were after the manager and the nights take on the way to a drop box for the deposit.........I have often wondered what may have transpired had I not had the weapon.
That said, where will the liability lie if a gunfight erupts in the classroom and a fellow student or teacher is in fact the person responsible for casualties if and when others are caught in the crossfire?
I would think public outrage would be immeasurable.
I am most amazed at the so called security in place in most places. "guards"...........right. |
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Having been an insurance adjuster for 12 miserable years, I can tell you that you can sue anybody for anything. The trick is in winning your case. They ought to write the laws authorizing concealed carry with provisions for protection against civil liability as they did with the "Castle Doctrine" concealed carry law in Florida. If you are not criminally responsible in Florida, their law prohibits any suits for civil liability. There was a show on the other night called "I Survived" on the Discovery Channel. Two of the people on it were students who survived VA Tech. Both were wounded multiple times by the gunman but played dead believably enough so that when he returned to their classrooms and started murdering the wounded with head shots he skipped them. Most security guards I've seen hold their positions because they couldn't qualify to get a job at McDonald's. Mikey, Thane of Duninsane |
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| | | From: Dick | Sent: 8/11/2008 5:33 PM |
Mikey is correct on the security companies general requirements. My wife did a stint with one here on mine road security for a couple years, aint no McDonalds in the stix. Mainly, she sat in a camper at the base of the one lane dirt road and checked delivery orders and controlled the traffic with other shacks on the road so as not to have loads up and down meet and shoot it out for who will back up. I went with her to a company picnic and met some others that were weapons carriers and found the requirements were higher, and the pay, so it varied on what your job was. It got pretty chicken shit where she couldn't be caught reading a book, feeding the bears and other memos that came down, so when a constrution flagger job opened up on the road, she was history on that job. She was non-union security and the higher paid weapons guys were unionized. The owners wife had a company in her name, and the hubby had the union side...good old loop holes. In malls, campus or banks, I still feel better when I see a side arm on security. In MT, one can carry un-concealed without a permit unless city laws prohibit. As far as liabilty on permit carriers, very rarely have they lost a civy suit. In a killing on private premises, it can be close depending on how the Coroners Inquest jury goes. Had a buddy kill a drug crazed perp in his house awhile back and I was at his inquest where a known liberal tree hugger decided there was no excuse anytime to kill. The jury vote was quick and that shit head juror was lucky the rest of the jury didn't throw him out the second story window. I talked to the jury foreman and he said it's a sign of things to come so even a clean shoot can get tripped up by not watching the jury selection real close. And, good idea to have a lawyer anyhow at an inquest. SF, Dick |
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| | | From: Ga1222 | Sent: 8/11/2008 8:37 PM |
When my son got back from Iraq he put himself thru the police academy and had trouble getting on one of the departments because of his reserve status. He passed the state board and was certified. The only job that he could get that paid anything was with the security department for one of the local hospitals. They were sworn special deputies and carried sidearms. One of the men that he worked for was the chief of a small department out in the country. He got him on as an auxillary officer which did not pay anything but let him keep his certification. After 500 hours of unpaid work they took him on part time which paid a huge $10.00 per hour. Luckily he was able to get on with the Indianapolis Metro PD and they credited him with the two years road work that he did as an auxillary and part timer. A number of local banks have their own security groups that are not armed. In this area, most of the armed positions are run as special details by off duty city or county cops. This past weekend a security person from one of the malls tried to stop a shop lifter and was run over. He was not armed and had limited police powers. I believe that properly trained and licensed individuals should have the right to carry concealed or un-concealed. Liability has to be limited when a person is acting within the law. Lawyers that file frivilous suits should be responsible for damages if they lose. Ben |
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| | | From: Dick | Sent: 8/12/2008 6:18 PM |
Ben, It sounds like your son could have some kind of discrimination suit if the employer stated his reserve status as a ding. Just another example of our reserves being screwed over lately. The son-in-law teaching ROTC here said that is one of his best recruit pool is Guards and Reservists seeing their screw overs and decided it's better to go regular since they are more or less active full time anyhow, and jobs and home life is in such a turmoil, regulars at least is more stable even if you move every couple years. I'm wondering if the new surge for legal carry could be studied like they do medications. Weigh the benefits against the side effects. Now, I always look at gun study authors. Of course, pro gun studies by gun advocates are offset by studies from the likes of the Brady org. The campus shootings are nothing more than a fox in the hen house situation. A non existent defense area just ripe for wacos. Don't know if it'll ever be resolved but it's a crying shame that parents have to fear for their kids lives in a school. I've got one left at the U of ( bleep) and just hope she can finish without being killed. And yeah, she carrys, permit, but illegally on campus. She read many of the campus shootings survivor stories and decided not to be in their shoes. It's kind of like our situation in Nam. Better to shot first and do time for an opps, than to not be around on this earth. SF, Dick |
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| | | From: Ga1222 | Sent: 8/12/2008 7:02 PM |
Dick, My son's problem getting on with a department would be hard to prove. Exmample - Scored 95 before veteran's preference of 5%, got highest rating of anyone interviewed by the chief, passed the physical agility test, passed the physical exam, passed the polygraph, has military qualifications with more weapons than the department uses, has an associates degree in criminal justice (is about 20 credit hours away from his BS), passed the state board and holds an Ohio certificate. Was told that he just did not make the cut. One of my nephews who is career army told him that he should integrate into the regulars when he came back from Iraq. He would have had a stable income would probably not deploy more often that he would as a reserve. He is doing his two weeks now, which by the way has grown to 18 days and will lose a healthy chunk of change because of loss of pay from his department. Don't get me wrong. I am still about as much of a hawk as I ever was but the reserves are really getting screwed. They have to commit to 6 years active reserve to get a school. Then they spend just about as much time on active duty as if they had enlisted for 4 years in the regulars. They are usually OK if they are in a job or career before they join but as my son found out, it can exclude you from consideration. The reserves were set up back when people worked Monday - Friday 8 to 5 with weekends off. Now everything operates 7 days a week so their income takes a hit when they have drill and unless they can get vacation when they have their annual training they lose there too. These kids are volunteers and I think that recruiters need to be honest with them when discussing going regular or reserve. Just some thoughts. Ben |
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| | | From: Dick | Sent: 8/13/2008 7:38 PM |
Ben, It seems to me that a moral contract between our Guard and Reserves is being broken by unthankful employers, and the lax prosecution of laws protecting that contract. A few of the Reserve "lifers" I know left before their full 20 or 30 because of it and they have a righteous redass over it. One said the mass exodus of higher rank enlisteds leaves a big experience gap in the units which effectively weakens their readiness. He said he feels that if the country doesn't care enough to remedy the contract mess, then the feeling is mutual. In your sons case, it sounds like he was top of the list but without seeing the resumes of the others, they make sure he's in the dark. Plus, it wouldn't be the first time nepotism and token job listings have placed a ringer they've already picked. If only one could be a fly on the wall during the hiring decision discussions...but those nano bots are pretty spendy right now. SF, Dick |
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| | | From: Ga1222 | Sent: 8/14/2008 5:32 AM |
Dick, The reserves and guard are supposed to be a force in readiness. In this day and age how can they be. So many of them are spending half of their commitment on active duty because the active forces were downsized to a level that is at lease one third too low. Add the fact that the reserve and guard units are far from full TO strength. When any of the MP companies in my son's Bn deploy they have had to draw volunteers from the other companies and fill in with active duty volunteers. They still go over at less than full strength. I have two nephews that are career Army. One has almost 20 years in Special Forces. They don't seem to be having problems with manpower. The other one was with the 24th Infantry during Desert Storm and has since moved into weapon system development. He has seen the reduction in available troops as a problem. Both of them survived Bill Clinton and are worried to death about what will happen if there is another Democrat advinistration right now. I wish that it was a simple issue where we just had to worry about securing our borders and not having to police the rest of the world. It all started back before our time in uniform and has gotten worse over the years. I just clean my weapons and stack my ammo and pray. SF Ben |
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| | | From: Dick | Sent: 8/14/2008 5:38 PM |
Ben, Well, it's put up or shut up soon with Georgia looking for us to help them. I believe Putin's Ploy is test the US as our Sec Def. and Admiral Mullen were telling it straight, that there better be a diplomatic solution for Iran and N. Korea, as we can't do it militarily now....then came Georgia. McCain predicted Russia move and nobody listened, including Bush. This should be an interesting election as our security aggrements with nations are on the line. Won't be worth the paper they are written on. SF, Dick |
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| | | From: Jim B | Sent: 8/15/2008 9:36 AM |
In my daughters early teen years, she kinda fell in with the 'wrong crowd'. You know, drugs alcohol, that kinda thing. Made our lives hell for about four years. We finally forced her into rehab. It was that or I was gonna.....get rid of her.
While in rehab, I was informed the where-abouts of the guy who got her started and supplied her and her group. I was also told of his schedule in the afternoons. At the time I had a Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun....eight shot (one in the chamber and seven in the tube. I staked this guys house out for three afternoons. I was very intent on taking him out for what he'd done to us. The fourth day...well....it finally hit me that I was only a block away from an elementary school. It probably would not have been a good idea to kill this guy on the street right next to a school.
And I was a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. I wanted this guy really bad for what he'd done to my family, but I guess I decided that I wanted my daughter and the rest of our lives more.
She's better now. Been clean for nearly 30 years. Gave a few great grandkids and is divorcing the jackass she married some time ago.
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| From: DuninsaneDude |
Jim,
Okay, lay that tale on us. It's okay just as long as it doesn't end with you voting for Obama. He's not at all fond of guns.
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