Sparky,

 

If you got a diesel you don't need any enhancer circuit stuff, just get the hydrogen to the intake and you're off, hopefully with the 55% increase like Truman gets.   Contact him on his diesel about the same size or a little bigger I think.  I'll eyeball the "Gas4 Free" model and see if it's similar.  

 

Good winter project aye? 

 

SF,

 

Dick

Sparky,

 

I just browsed your Gas4free site and that looks like a good and easy one to build alright.  Simpler the better.  Just need some arching across some electrodes in water to get the HH gas. On that other site where people are running on way higher hydrogen, I'll bet they have a lot more amps from the alternater to do that with.  I had to check my vehicle load with the hydrogen unit and everything else I could turn on and found I'm safe with about 57 amps on a stock 125 amp alternator.

 

I do not know what the long term effects would be running straight hydrogen ( and water by product)  on an engine but having to fork out for a larger alternator or a valve job down the line I decided to ease into this going green shit with just a booster unit to enhance the fuel.

 

SF,

 

Dick

Yea, that's what I understand. It takes a big spark to break the water molecule up into HHO. I think that , like you, I'm going to ease into this increased fuel economy thing...The reduced emissions because of HHO use, is a good side effect, likewise the increased power.

 

I should be able to start working on the unit in about a week and a half...as soon as this garage thing is done. We start hanging "rock" today, so we're in the home stretch. The owners will take over before paint and do the finish themselves. So I'll be done soon. Good!

 

SF,

 

Sparky

Sparky,

 

Hope your construction project goes OK...no injuries like when I try that stuff any more. My clutz factor has increased markedly lately.

 

I rigged a lil gas production test with a tube off this HH unit, into a big jar with a little water bottle marked for volume.  Filled the big jar with water, put the tube in and kept the inside dry, inverted the water bottle on the tube and sucked water in up to a start mark and then hooked the line back to the HH unit tube.  Turned on the HH unit at it's 7 - 9 amps and in a second or two the bottle began to rise.  I clocked about an eigth to quarter Liter ( 0.125 - 0.25)of gas per minute. Pretty puney compared to many other designs.  That seems to go a long way and don't think it's enough to wreak havoc on valve seals, guides etc..  Or, don't need a bubbler saftey vessel for any backfire ignition to the HH unit. It's an open or passive unit with the air intake filter so at best, any back fire ignition would just pop the little filter out of it's tube.

 

My first run with the unit at only 2-3 amps, 12 VDC was best, that'd be under that 0.125 Liter/minute of gas production and got that 28.8%  mpg increase.  But NO!  I got greedy and bumped the amps up to 7-9 and now run only 25% increase, mainly because now I have to deal with adjusting the O2 sensors on the van. Before, it wasn't enough HH gas to offset the O2 senors and it's control of the injectors.   Am gradualy adding milivolts to the sensors to signal a rich mix and hopefully the computer will back off of fuel.  If not, I'll go back to the lower amps and less HH gas.  Anyhow, just some thoughts as you build your hydroxy unit. 

 

SF,

 

Dick

Dick,

 

I'm off to SF on Monday to visit my Mom...Monday is her 94th birthday. Anyway, I'm going to pick up some 1/2 inch polycarbon sheets to build the housing for the Max cell. I'm going to build one for my Brother in Law at the same time. He has a 6.0 liter Ford diesel and is axious to try adding some HH.

 

Some of the info I've read also said they did better, with fuel economy, with the O2 sensors running a little richer than the minimum. With the diesel engine I have to use a pot connected to the MAP sensor on the induction system to control rich/lean mixtures.

 

I think I finished with the garage job yesterday...I'll do a walk through with the owners this morning and wash my hands of the whole deal...Yipee!!

 

SF

Sparky

Sparky,

 

I tweaked my gasolene powered van up to 36% increase yesterday, with more adjustments to try today.

 

That using the Mass Air Flow sensor was another way I also saw to control the injector output, looked just as complicated as using the O2 sensor output so keep us posted on that method.  sounds like you HH unit will be puting out a lot more gas than our puney, 0.125 to 0.25 Liter/min.  Hey, weigh your truck before and after the unit is on to see if it'll float better from all the extra hydrogen.  :-)

 

SF,

 

Dick

Dick,

 

Congratulations on the 36%...That's impressive.

 

Good idea about weighing the truck, but at 7,800 lbs, I think I may have to have 4 or 5 hydolyizers going at one time to realize any benefit.

 

I'll try to do some kind of journal or something about the construction and installation of the unit and the fine tuning necessary...maybe a blog. Hmmmm.

 

SF

 

Sparky 

Dick and Sparky,

 

Well I'm darned tired of the 11-12 mpg of my Chevy gas rig when pullling the trailer house. So tell me - is this all really working for you? I found a site that is advertising a basic unit for about $500.00. I thought about building one but it made my head hurt to think of it. But - if the cost was significantly reduced, like over half the cost, I'd spend the time doing it.

 

And did you really get more power as well? If so I'd try it on my 66 Olds 442. No fancy 02 sensors on that dude. And the Chevy pickup could use a bit more power when pulling the trailer.

 

I mentioned it to my son and he said, "Oh yeah, in High school we did an experiement with that and they are really easy to build." Hmmm - I've got stainless material, sheets of it, and I've got a container just like what they show in the pictures, so how hard could it be?

 

I don't underswtand the "amps adjusting" thing you're talking aobut Dick - but I'm assuming one could do this with an ampmeter? Or does it take something special?

 

Thanks guys - I needed another project.

 

Steve

Guys,

 

Well, this type is just a couple stainless steel tubes within a tube with about 1/8" gap for electrodes.  It's not fancy controlled, just on or off.  Any DC amp adjusting we're doing is from the solution mix of electrolyte which is distilled water using a little mineral water, (S. Pelegrinno,  off the shelf at Walmart) for the Calcium ions to arc across the water.

 

I have vehicle O2 sensors to tweak into sending a rich input to the computer so it will output a leaner injector fuel.  That's in milivolts so none of the stuff will blow me up or give me caustic burns. (I'll probably find a way tho). The average 0.125 L/min of HH aint to much to raise many safety concerns.

 

Wow, Olds 442 on Hydrogen boost!!!  Well, a minivan aint no muscle car off the line so I don't know about more horse power. It must?  I did notice doing the same crusing as before only with a couple hundred rpm's less on the tach.. Now I'll have to lay some front wheel drive tire/rubber strips down the hiway with the HH on and off and see if the length is any different.  :-)  Do they have a minivan class at drag strips?

 

SF,

 

Dick

Boys,

 

Orriginally, I only considered boosting the BAT (Big Ass Truck), but now...my lawnmower? The Weed Wacker? Chainsaw?

 

Actually I've got the perfect test vehicle...a 1949 Ford F2 pick-up. Problem is that the engine is torn down to the crankshaft and I'm having difficulty finding re-build parts for the flat head 6. So it will be a while before that's running. Definitely no O2 sensors on "Piglet" (The "War Dept's" nickname for my baby).

 

The vehicle I use to make the trips back and forth to San Francisco is a 2000 Saturn and cosistantly gives me 36-40 mpg, and now I wonder what I could get out of it with HHO added...

 

The Hydrolizer I'm building uses 11 Stainless Steel plates...6 positive, 5 negative, suspended in electrolyte (distilled water and a little Hydrogen Peroxide) on a dedicated, 30 amp protected, circuit off the Run side of the ignition switch. I'm sure there will be modifications and adjustments made during construction, but this is a good place to start and will keep me busy for a while...Like I've got nothing else to do.

 

Hey Steve...How ya doin?

 

SF  

 

Sparky 

 

 

 

 

Mikey,

 

The first thing i would suggest to you would be to attach the horses to the front of your BAT...perhaps that would help with fuel economy.

 

Boys,

 

I just got back from SF, and stopped at Tap plastics (a retail supplier of fiberglass, epoxy resins, and all things plastic). When I asked about 1/2 inch thick Polycarbonate, I was informed that it came in 4 X 8 sheets. Not only did I not need that much, I was in the "Screamin Flea" (the 2000 Saturn), and there was no way a

4 x 8 sheet of anything was going to fit inside. So, I said: " How about a couple of

30" x 30" pieces?"  She, the clerk, in the meantime is writing this down on an order form, and we get to the prices and she comes up with $394.50.  I almost fainted. WTF over...She was quite surprised when I decided not to buy.  Let's see, that equals: .44 cents per square inch...or $63.12 per suare foot. I think I'll look around a bit more...I'l keep you posted.

 

SF

 

Sparky

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sparky,

 

OK, think Marine scrounge mode...is there any reason you have to have clear plastic for your project? Or how about just one side clear?  The rest Shedule 80 CPVC,  a higher rated plastic of some kind, old dead car battery case, bullet proof or hi temp oven glass from the dump or back of an appliance stores' bone pile etc...

 

SF,

 

Dick

Dick, Mikey...

 

You're right...It looks like the scrounge route for me. I searched online at a few plastic suppliers, and found that they were all that expensive.  I kind of thought that the cost of fuel was responsible.

 

I'm looking into CPVC for the housing and since the only reason I can come up with for making it out of some clear material is to check the elecrolyte level, I bet it it will work just fine. I like the idea of an old dead battery casing...Hmm

 

I do like the cell design from Gas 4 Free but I think I'll have to adapt it some to fit the CPVC Sch 80.

 

I found a lot of videos about HHO production on You Tube. Check it out.

 

SF

 

Sparky