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From: MSN NicknameGa1222  (Original Message)Sent: 10/15/2008 5:04 AM
I have often wondered why so many Vietnam Veterans have Type II diabetes and have been told that it is presumptive exposure to Agent Orange.  I never bothered to be tested for AO when all of the discussion was going on and everyone was trying to determine the extent of the effects.  I was diagnosed with Type II about two and a half years ago and have been having it treated by my primary health provider.   Now I have come to the realization that I should have at least gone to the VA to see what they would do.  In the near future I will be visiting the local VA to see what they have to say.
 
Who else has been affected?  I am amazed by how many vets that I have talked to that have Type II and are drawing disability. 
 
Let me know your thoughts.
 
SF
 
Ben


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From: MSN NicknameDuninsaneDudeSent: 10/15/2008 12:14 PM
Ben,
 
I have a friend who is severely disabled due to heavy exposure to AO resulting in progressive scarring to his lungs and uncontrollable diabetes.  I stopped by to see him last week and he was winded just from walking 30 feet or so from his kitchen table to the front door. 
 
His doctor is an expert in the field and directly attributes his health problems to Agent Orange/Dioxin exposure.  Bob was in Recon and was in areas in Vietnam which were heavily doused with AO.  He has gotten a disability rating from the VA because of his COPD and diabetes.  
 
By all means, get your butt to the VA and see what they say.  If you need the name of the doctor my buddy sees, let me know and I'll get it for you.  
 
 
Mikey, Thane of Duninsane   

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From: Jim BSent: 10/15/2008 2:09 PM
An old friend of mine who lives about an hour away from me, has hypertension and diabetes.  He's collecting 20% on his VA disability for that.  He was at MAG-16 and use to mix that crap up, load it and spray it.
 
I'm now trying to convince him to file for PTSD.  Two tours, 14 Air Medals, shot down 11 times.  He says, "Yeah, I still have some things fucking with my head."
 
Jim B


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From: DickSent: 10/17/2008 4:20 PM
Ben,
 
The VA will ask about any diabetis in the family.  I know of none on either side and that was from any elders left to pick their brains.  Yeah, I'm borderline Type 2 and can control with diet, don't need the needle yet. One thing I found is the VA does not rate adverse medical discoveries after a Vet gets the 100% Individual Unemployable (IU) or other 100% ratings. They then don't have to go through a rating adjuticator,  just added on ones record and treated.  I'm thinking the stats they show of illnesses are way low as they look at the disability rating and they may not show after a Vet is 100%.  Intentional?  Hell yes.
 
Once my PTSD( somnambulism) and injuries got my 100% IU, them weening me from carbs, (ethanol) to meds did the trick to get my blood sugar to at least border line. Every time I was in a ward, every other Nam vet in my room used insulin.  I woke up one time when the nurse was about to inject an insulin bead in me, and made her double scan my wrist band.  Told her I still have an aversion to any metal things entering my body.
 
Definately get to the VA and start a claim so you can get the treatments free at least. Bring your civey med records too. With a family history and if any were diabetic, find the type and dose they were using. If no family histroy you should get a rating, which is only related to your ability to work, but will cover the diabetis treatments 100% at least. You'll get a blood test kit, insulin and follow up appointments. Here, the VA just assumes if you were in country, anywhere, you were exposed one way or another and don't mess with that issue.
 
Good Luck and SF,
 
Dick

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From: MSN Nicknamebdaawgir1Sent: 10/17/2008 5:28 PM
Guys
  I have been Type II a diabetic since Oct 1983. It was diagnosed as being caused AO. and is 20% of my disabilityBeen using inslun injections since 81.
Sf
Dawg
 

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From: MSN NicknameDuninsaneDudeSent: 10/17/2008 5:42 PM
Dawg,
 
Is that since 1981 or since you were 81?
 
Then again, both were a long time ago.
 
 
Mikey, Thane of Duninsane 

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From: MSN NicknameGa1222Sent: 10/17/2008 7:16 PM
Originally they told me that I was pre-diabetic and it was controlled with diet.  Then it was switched to Type II and I've been on oral medication and have not had to do the insulin thing. 
 
I know that the AO studies determined that there were a lot of problems related to exposure.  There was another study related to someof the antimaleria pills that were given in I Corps.  I saw a few articles about it and then it just went away.  I tried to get more information but nobody seems to know anything about it.  The pill was a little white one, not the big orange horse pill, and I think that it was dapsone or something like that.  Has anybody heard or know anything about it?
 
SF,
 
Ben

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From: MSN Nicknamebdaawgir1Sent: 10/18/2008 2:32 PM
Mikey
  That was 1983, and I ain't reached that
like you have.  Have a nice day.  We got
rain again.
SF
Dawg

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From: DickSent: 10/18/2008 5:22 PM
Ben,
 
Boy,  you're pushing my memory envelope, mostly empty, on those pills.  I do recall a couple white small ones, some darker ones in the canteen for decon,  and some bigger purple pellets the Corpsman gave us to soak our shriveled up wet feet in a solution in our helmets to slow down the jungle root.  I think that was just iodine and had purple feet for a day or two after that.
 
Dawgs been on that for quite a long time, so I'm lucky to just be borderline so far.  All in ones make up on how bad the AO screws thing up. I too have had about 3 people I know pass from AO complications, not a way to go and feel the VA needs to be nailed good for it, anyway we can.  This adds to the "cost" list that should be considered for any future conflicts.
 
SF,
 
Dick

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From: MSN Nicknamewire_dog_6566Sent: 10/19/2008 12:37 PM
I was diagnosed as Type II 9 years ago. Here's my "saga" and a word of caution.

One of the supervisor's in a VARO (Regional Office) I provided telecom support for asked me if I received anything for my diabetes because of it's association with AO.

I told him I had not but had been diagnosed by, and was being treated by my doc.

I contacted the VA in Bay Pines after enrolling and waited 7 months to see a primary care physician.

At that point I was a controlled diabetic as a result of trying most everything and wound up taking 4mg of amaryl, along with a few other meds for BP, etc and using the Atkins diet exclusively. My A1C had gone from 9.8 to 6.2, and my Accu-Check went from 250-300 to about 110-130 fasting. Doc told me that both he and I could live with that.

A potential sales of the company I was employed by led to to VA and it's "treatment".

Once enrolled, I called and spoke with an asshole beyond description who chose to discuss everything with one word answers, including telling me I would just have to pay my own way until I got in 7 months down the road. I asked if she meant to say that if I ran out of meds or couldn't afford to buy them outright it was just tough, and she said that although it was my problem, if I became ambulatory they would take me....I equated that to the truest form of "thank you for your service".

Fast forward to my first appointment, and by then I was paying for my meds. The doctor confiscated my meds and wrote new script, at which time we engaged in another suspect conversation. When I didn't recognize the names on the script I told her that I would point out that we didn't just happen upon the current medication but through a lengthy period of trial and error, along with 6 finger pricks a day while checking progress and compiling a definitive list of food stuff.

She just said in a very matter of fact manner that they did not do business with the pharmaceutical who manufactured the amaryl.

Cut to the chase. Their meds did not work, glucose levels took off, abandoned VA, went back to private sector only to find that having gone away from amaryl if was no longer effective in my treatment.

With blood sugar levels continuing to climb I went to my new doc (Navy LT in RVN) and told him enough was enough and I just wanted to get on insulin while I could. he agreed, and I began taking LANTUS in the belly nightly. We progressed from 10 units to 15 and then 20 before I was able to consistently measure my level at 100 to 110 while fasting.

Stress remains a huge factor and the past 20 months overseeing a "project" (I use that term loosely) we have brought the VA Central Office and campus forward 30 years in technology, having to drag kicking and screaming bureaucrats along every step of the way. We now support 16,000 lines and 8,500 individuals in DC between VACO, VHA, VBA, NCA and the OIG.

During this particular period, my readings were off the chart on any given day and eventually it resulted in a trip from Doc's parking lot to emergency where I fought off pneumococcal pneumonia that had infected my blood and had me hypoxic as well, with oxygen levels around 80%. My blood sugar was beyone the scope of their machine, which only flashes "critical" when above 500.

An interesting 10 days, with constant drip of a host of things, as well as injections of two types of insulin, with one type every 23 hours and the other every 8 hours.

I continued using a PIC line inserted in my arm and pushed up to my chest area to take another 17 IV drips every 12 hours once home.

My insulin remains now at 35 units to compensate for the stress and eventually, the 20% I receive from VA will not cover the copay on the meds.

I spoke to doc about going back to see if I could get it increased and he cautioned me about doing so, saying he is involved in 2 cases where the VA (BVA) has stripped the 20%, reasoning that Type II is controlled by oral and diet, and that insulin-dependency indicates Type I which is not included in AO ruling.

So, while that is being litigated I remain at 20% and go to work in the very agency every day........................

I apolgize for the length of the email but thought some of you might benefit from the story.

SF

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From: Loch 11Sent: 10/20/2008 9:53 AM
Ben...this is Bob Yount, I was diagnosed with type II about nine years ago...The disability is that if you are insulin dependent, you get 40%...if it can be controlled orally, or by other then insulin, you get 20%... 
 Mine is different though then the "regular" diabetes...my blood sugar normally runs in the 200 range...220 to 260 seems to be about the best for me...I've had all the tests and they say I'm an annomally, because my body reacts just the opposite of what it should do...so the VA docs have told me to manage it to how I feel the best, and they're still scratching their heads...only problem is when I get a new doc...he wants to 'fix' me, and I've finally said no...read the computer notes...I take 5 mg of gliberide a day...any more and I get sick...other meds get me under 200, but the farther below that I go, the sicker I get, the less I function and big time depression sets in...Bob

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From: MSN NicknameGa1222Sent: 10/20/2008 3:16 PM
One reason that I have stayed away from the VA goes back to when I got out in January of '70.  I went in to establish service connected status for a few itmes that I thought were important.  My mother had retired from the VA and had been in charge of the medical records for both hospitals in Augusta, GA so the doctors knew her.  The examining physician asked how the family was donig and promptly accused me of trying to draw disability rather than just establish the status in case anything came up in the future.  He then proceeded to question surgery that had been performed one the Repose even though he had my medical records in front of him.  He claimed that he could not find enough scar tissue.  I swore that I would never set foot in another VA facility. 
 
Oh well, things change.  We get older and the health issues begin to take their toll.
 
SF,
 
B en

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From: DickSent: 10/24/2008 4:55 PM
Yep, the rule of thumb I found out the hard way when dealing with ANYONE from the VA is say nothing positive.  They are a tricky lot and loyal to their paycheck signer.  You are there for something not positive going on so keeping focused on that keeps me from getting any "cures" on my med record.  They succeded in running you off the first time in '70, but that's where a VA rep (VFW, Am Legion, DAV, State etc.,) on your behalf has somthing to then shoot holes in for appeals.   Policy has changed a lot since '70, but still be leary of any positive comm to them.
 
Any civy med records to dispute his bi-assed opinion takes precedence most times.  Otherwise they have to challenge (Card)  that docs credentials. In court, the VA docs credentials would then be fair game also, so that's where the civy docs precedence usually holds.
 
One incident of interest I can relay is one ol Corpsman, 9th Marines, '67,  in our PTSD Vet group taped a VA Doc who repeatedly would not scrip or refer Vets to a psyc for meds because he didn't believe in shell shock, PTSD or whatever the tag is.  A number of us complained to the VA psyc dept and they didn't believe it.  So he had a little pocket recorder that did the trick. After 28 years in the VA, that doc "retired".  Of course it wasn't legal, like we gave a shit,  but the psyc dept hearing it then believed the docs contempt for the psyc industry, and gone he is.  I've considered just placing a tape recorder on the desk of any VA care giver I thought was hostile, but didn't have to ...so far. I should do that anyhow as most times if they don't write shit down I'm to do, I forget in short order and taped notes would help a bunch.
 
I'd bet after 9/11 and now even Congress recognizes PTSD as a big factor, the VA is pretty much purged from the old docs like we ran into. The only ones left to hagel with are the VA Claims Adjuticators, they must be CEO rejects from coprorate scammers as they know every trick in the book to shut a claim down,  but appeal after appeal shut's them up too.
 
SF,
 
Dick

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