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LOST! : So who is Ben's boat spy?
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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-n  (Original Message)Sent: 3/7/2008 3:50 PM
Well if Locke must sit down for that bit of news, then I think we're very likely to see one of the Oceanic passengers end up as Ben's boat spy.  That would probably at first point to Michael, who apparenlty betrayed the group and bargained himself off the island.  Maybe Ben had him infiltrate his nemesis's group in order for Michael to see his son, Walt, again.  Makes sense...only missing link would be how Michael would've gotten to the boat, won over the crew, or how Ben knew any of this anyway, but then Ben does have a tape of his enemy, so we know he keeps his eye on him and it then becomes a simple matter of writing in any hiccup in the unlikelihood of such an infiltration.
 
And that infiltration, if we are right to conclude it is someone we've seen before, would be equally unlikely of any of the islanders, Oceanics or Others.  So putting that problem aside since it is right to consider it a secondary issue anyway, we can also entertain other people than Michael, since Michael seems sort of obvious to me and even though it's probably an instance where they should play it obvious since it'd be a more buyable story and it would bolster the whole Is Ben really a bad guy dilemma b/c it would be another case where Ben held true to his word. 
 
But in looking beyond Michael, the next name that comes to my mind is Desmond, since I've never been comfy with the idea that he was just an individual on the island an a part of nothing.  However, Desmond has not been on the boat until two episodes ago, so there goes that name.  I guess it could be Penny, though we learned it wasn't her boat--but isn't that boat off the island, the owned by Ben's enemy, isn't that Penny's dad or is that some other old guy?  I kinda missed his segment of the show last night but from the glance i caught it looked similiar to Penny's dad that Desmond met last episode.  Help?
 
Maybe it could be Walt himself.  Then again, for practical purposes, Walt, or the actor portrarying Walt had to be written away because a growing boy will look very different over the course of a series that is set in a matter of -what?- months. 
 
What about someone who is supposed to be dead?  Of dead people, and of people that would shock Locke, the name I think of is Boone.  I don't recall how Boone died and if there was any margin left for him to have a plausible rescue or escape from being dead, lol.  And of The Others, who has died that would shock Locke?  Ethan?  Surely not Goodwin since he was addressed last night right?  And the rest of the Others who have died or fled don't seem crucial in any way to shock anyone including Locke in learning they are Ben's boat spy.  However, could the whole Goodwin sidestory have been a bit of a diagonal hint into who the boat spy is?  What did we learn in Goodwin's story?  Scratch all the obvious stuff about Ben being obsessed with Juliette, and I think of Anna Lucia, and I can't recall what exactly happened to her.  All I remember is that she accidentally shot and killed Shannon and she savaged Goodwin like a ragdoll.  But what we learned last night is that Goodwin was working on turning Anna Lucia to their side b/c of her potential.  Maybe she is the boat spy because of this relation, though I can't remember what became of her along the way, so a little help there.
 
Going to third tier shockers to us and Locke, I immediately think of Locke's dad, who Sawyer apparently killed for Locke and for himself.  But we did see Locke return his body to Ben, as his right of passage.  Though we never saw in that sack. And Locke's dad has proven before to be quite the slippery bastard.  Another slippery bastard would be Jack's dad, but I can't really consider this beyond mentioning him in relation to Locke's dad.
 
Can anyone think of anyone else to consider a Ben's shocking boat spy?
 
In any event, I think the likely spy is Michael and if forced to place a logical bet then I'd lay the dollars on him.  And I guess the oddsmakers in my mind would give second most likely to be the boat spy to Anna Lucia, though I have no clue what became of her and this is an absurd spot on the list for someone who I can't remember, but, ah, I think it is Michael.
 


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From: ShadowfaxSent: 3/8/2008 3:34 AM
> Walt, or the actor portrarying Walt had to be written away
> because a growing boy will look very different over the
> course of a series that is set in a matter of -what?- months.

They now have a perfect explanation for that. If you don't follow the same vector you came to the island on, time will flow at a different rate for you on the way out. (Ref: The 20 minute helicopter ride which took hours and hours of island time.)

They've already acknowledged his aging, when Locke said he saw Walt and that he looked older.


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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 3/8/2008 4:33 AM
he did? 
 
ok so it must be either walt or michael
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname•ChickyAfternoon�/nobr>Sent: 3/8/2008 5:21 AM
You've really got to pay attention when the show is on Torty.  You're missing a lot of important stuff.
 
I guess it could be Penny, though we learned it wasn't her boat--but isn't that boat off the island, the owned by Ben's enemy, isn't that Penny's dad or is that some other old guy?  I kinda missed his segment of the show last night but from the glance i caught it looked similiar to Penny's dad that Desmond met last episode.  Help?
You've got it.  The freighter seems to be owned Charles Widmore who also happens to be Desmond's Penny's father.  He is the man that Ben showed Locke on the video.
 
Maybe it could be Walt himself.  Then again, for practical purposes, Walt, or the actor portrarying Walt had to be written away because a growing boy will look very different over the course of a series that is set in a matter of -what?- months. 
Like Shad said, that has been pretty much covered by the writers with new explanation of how time is different on the island than off the island.  Also, again like Shad mentioned, in the scene early this season when Locke shows everyone where Ben had shot him and explained why it hadn't killed him (No kidney because he donated it to his father) he tells that that he saw Walt. Who told him what to do and also mentioned that Walt was taller.  Later in the same episode Sawyer makes one of his snide comments to Locke about following the instructions of the ghost of tall Walt or something like that.  My point is that TPTB have gone out of there way to explain in advance why Walt would appear older if and when he appears on the show again.
 
However, could the whole Goodwin sidestory have been a bit of a diagonal hint into who the boat spy is?  What did we learn in Goodwin's story?  Scratch all the obvious stuff about Ben being obsessed with Juliette.....
Come on there.  The episode was a Juliet centric after all.  It was obvious that Ben was trying to sway Juliet's affection away from Goodwin toward himself with the story he told her about Goodwin wanting Ana Lucia added to the list. 
 
But what we learned last night is that Goodwin was working on turning Anna Lucia to their side b/c of her potential.  Maybe she is the boat spy because of this relation, though I can't remember what became of her along the way, so a little help there.
Michael shot and killed both her and Libby in the hatch.  He was there because Ben had sent him back to bring Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley to him.  Ben was holding Walt hostage and promised he would let them leave if he brought them to him.
 
Michael does make a lot of sense, especially since Harold Perrineau's name has been attached to this season and we haven't seen him at all yet.
in any event, nice legwork on Michael's actor's name being listed too
His name has appeared in the credits at the beginning of every show this season.  Dead give away that he will be back.
 
Juliette is another one that could (but probably won't, and I know I'm in the minority, but I actually like her character and want her to survive)
oh and let the record show that I too like Juliette's character. 
Make that three of us.  I hope that in the end she doesn't double cross Jack et al.
 
The "official" six thus far are:
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
??
??
I am another person that think that only those actually on the plane's manifest would be considered one of the Oceanic 6.  I don't count Aaron as one either.  Desmond could simply be "found" since he was lost at sea.  It is known, by Juliet's sister that she was going somewhere to work out of the country.  This was explained in her first centric so I don't think she could be one of the six. 
 
What about someone who is supposed to be dead? 
In this thread Boone, Goodwin, Ethan, Ana Lucia, Libby, Shannon, Nikki/Paulo and Ekko have been mentioned.  We have an interesting theory about this in our house.  It seems that those who come back on the island have died but their bodies are not buried or destroyed.  All of the people mentioned above have been buried.  In the first episode this season, they went out of their way to show Juliet burying Tom and his group being buried after they were killed in the last episode of last season.  Is it possible that unless a person is buried, blown up (i.e. Arzt), burned (the people from Dharma in the pit) or totally destroyed in another manner that the island can bring them back to life?  If you think about it, we all thought Patchy was dead when Locke shoved him through the sonic fence but he came back. Is it possible that both he and Charlie could be back again?????  Just a thought.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 3/8/2008 9:05 PM
Hmmm, I didn't realize that Michael was still a part of the show - I know very few of their "real" names, so I don't know one credit from another, lol. Hard for me to think that Walt would work "for the other side", but not Michael. Then again, you can brainwash a kid just as well...
 
Until that was mentioned, I was thinking it would be someone totally shocking, someone you'd never think would "betray" the main characters, so I came up with Sayid, mostly considering his background in "espionage" type things - betraying people, etc. When they showed his "flash forward", he was doing that sort of thing, so it's easy to picture him working both sides of anything. Plus, I assumed the 'inside person' would be one of the Oceanic 6, although I don't know why I assumed that, lol. In his head, he might think that working for "the enemy" was his only opportunity to work from the inside.
 
I do count Aaron as one of the Oceanic 6, since he was, for all intents and purposes, "on" that plane when it crashed. Plus, the narration when they were talking about upcoming episodes I thought said there was "one more" to be revealed, not "two" (I thought that was what I heard, anyway)....so if we have Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sayid...who's number 5? If not Aaron, I mean. ??
 
I also hadn't considered Charlie. I s'pose it's possible that Hurley saw his "ghost" in the future because Charlie, working for the 'bad guys', ends up getting killed anyway. Hmmm.....interesting possibility.
 
I don't have a reason yet, though, for why Sayid could be persuaded by Ben to work for him on the ship. For Desmond, yes, I can think of a reason. I can't see Boone, but why not Shannon? Oooo...wait....maybe they DO have Shannon....and THAT'S how they get Siyad to work for them?
 
LOL, maybe it's Jacob.

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From: MSN Nickname•ChickyAfternoon�/nobr>Sent: 3/8/2008 9:09 PM
Plus, the narration when they were talking about upcoming episodes I thought said there was "one more" to be revealed, not "two" (I thought that was what I heard, anyway)....so if we have Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sayid...who's number 5? If not Aaron, I mean. ??
 
I just rewatched the preview.  It says, "The last of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed."  The way it is phrased could mean more than one person.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 3/8/2008 9:20 PM
Ah. I must've extrapolated, lol. Probably because I see Aaron as one of the '6'.
 

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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 3/14/2008 3:17 PM

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From: ShadowfaxSent: 3/14/2008 9:48 PM
That was a great piece of detective work, considering he's been in the opening credits all season, lol.

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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 3/17/2008 5:14 PM
i will not applaud my detective work since by definition I didn't do that--that would've required that I took the time to pay attention to actor's names in the credits and investigated who they played, lol--but will applaud the triumph, yet again, of sound reason as I have relied upon in so many ventures and in making calls that has given me a long string accurate predictions over the years here, rofl

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 3/17/2008 7:36 PM
We saw Michael, but do we know for sure that he's "Ben's spy"?
 

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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 3/17/2008 7:38 PM
I do.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 3/17/2008 7:59 PM
I wonder if Michael can see/hear Jacob, lol.
 
And where IS Jacob anyway? I hate when they introduce a new person, then we don't hear from them for a year, lol.
 

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From: Jnp9Sent: 3/17/2008 11:45 PM
Maybe its someone who can ommunicate through this space time continuum thing
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 3/20/2008 7:34 PM
I wonder....
 
 
I saw Cynthia Watros' name in the roster for tonight's episode. She's supposed to be dead, so maybe it's just a flashback sequence. But still....
 
LOL, you can never be sure about this show.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 3/25/2008 3:44 AM
Jebus, it's been 5 days, I guess I'm not the only one who got behind, lol.
 
Or maybe it was just that boring an episode. It pretty much was. But at least we have a lot of information and....and what, is there like just one more episode for the season? I can't remember. That wasn't the last one for a while, was it? (No, couldn't be, too boring)
 
I loved how Sayid 'betrayed' Michael to the captain (or whomever that was). I'm wondering if he believed Michael though. I think he did, but he doesn't need Michael to handle it and this is the payback for what Michael did.
 
(Hey, I knew I saw Cynthia Watros' name though, lol. Not even a flashback though, just a hallucination. (or was it?) lol)
 

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