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From: MSN Nickname1974bLuE-eYeD-sOuL1974  (Original Message)Sent: 12/17/2003 5:54 AM
 
I'm Sorry Claymates.....I Never Meant To Hurt Youuuuuuuu
 
I Never Meant To Make You Cry......So, Tonight............I'm Comin' Out The Closet


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From: MSN Nickname1974bLuE-eYeD-sOuL1974Sent: 12/20/2003 8:39 PM

|| special report ||
Is Clay gay? You know we asked
Advocate.com was on the scene in Los Angeles for the American Idol finale and couldn’t resist asking runner-up Clay Aiken backstage if he knew how many of his gay fans hope that he’s family too.
By Alonso Duralde 

An Advocate.com exclusive posted May 22, 2003 

OK, so when Fox offered me press credentials to attend the big climactic results show of the second season of American Idol, I figured I could write something funny for Advocate.com about fashion (season 1 finalist Christina Christian carried a small dog with her down the red carpet) or bad singing (did you hear season 2 finalist Rickey Smith butcher Earth, Wind & Fire during the medley? Ouch) or Paula Abdul (guess what, Miss Thing, I grew up wanting to be a critic). But all that got pushed aside after I stood up at the press conference after the show wrapped and asked runner-up Clay Aiken the big question: “A lot of your fan base thinks you’re gay. Any comment on that?�?/P>

 
Christina Christian and her dog

First, a little background for those who haven’t been watching the show. Aiken has gotten a great deal of press over the course of the show because of the big voice that emanates from his scrawny body. Throughout American Idol, Aiken has had his own Extreme Makeover, changing everything from his hair (fluffed out to cover up his car door ears) to the removal of his nerdy spectacles. While teen girls and middle-aged moms went all swoony for Aiken, the gaydars of queer viewers nationwide were going off. Loudly. Here’s a performer, we thought, who can’t open his mouth without littering the Idol stage with hairpins. The fluttering eyelids; the high-pitched chuckle; the angry-diva faces pulled whenever Simon Cowell criticized him; the hammy, Sam Harris-meets-Mandy Patinkin show-tune vocalizing—just about everything Clay does reads as gay. I’m not saying that I know whether he’s queer or not, but if he isn’t, he’s a very gay-acting heterosexual. 


Clay meets the press

My boyfriend talks about Aiken’s goal to become a special-needs teacher as one that screams out as a career track often pursued by gay men. And my boyfriend also points out that there’s a definite subset of closeted Christian males in their 20s (having been one himself) who have so successfully repressed their sexuality that they don’t even know that they’re really gay. And that brand of asexuality is also a hallmark of Aiken’s singing. For all his technical proficiency, there’s no feeling that he’s ever experienced the painful love he likes to sing about. There’s no heartbreak in that voice, and there’s certainly no sex. If there were really such a magazine as Non-Threatening Boy (a favorite of The Simpsons�?Lisa), Aiken would be the Crush of the Year. 


Jim Verraros and Ejay Day

So anyway, back to Wednesday’s American Idol finale and the press conference. After Clay told a gushing female reporter that he’s looking for a girl who’s “not too primped and permed and curled,�?I asked my question. 

He looked right at me. Then, without a word, he looked at another reporter and called on him. Mind you,up to this point almost no reporters had been called on—it was one of those yell-out-your-question-or-forget-it situations. But Clay was definitely not going to answer my question, not even to give me some “I love all my fans�?or “It doesn’t matter what people think, as long as they buy my album�?bromides. I got nothing from him. I got the brush-off. I got a freeze-out worthy of Joan Crawford. 


Ruben and Clay

The generous interpretation of this is that he thought I was from the National Enquirer or some other supermarket tabloid, out to dig up dirt. Because after all, we all know the worst thing you can say about someone is that they’re gay, right? And it’s not like American Idol is dying to have an openly gay singer on the show: The Advocate left a million messages about Jim Verraros on Fox publicity voice mail during his stint on the program, but he ultimately came out in this magazine only after Idol was over. So what if British Pop Idol winner Will Young’s album topped the U.K. charts after he came out of the closet? Homosexuality is a subject the Idol-makers would just as soon avoid, apparently. 

As to the not-so-generous interpretation of Aiken’s silence, I leave that for readers to figure out.


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From: MSN NicknameAy_CorSent: 12/20/2003 8:45 PM
Sorry blue for all the drama, i didnt read it right.....ehhh it was early, and i was tired....
 
But I know what you mean now...be careful writing sarcastically on this...its hard to tell when someone is being sarcastic
 
Sorry

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From: MSN Nickname1974bLuE-eYeD-sOuL1974Sent: 12/20/2003 9:00 PM
 
No problem at all, Ay Cor....
 
I wish I would have reworded that a bit before I typed it...(It was @ 3 AM when I types that.....lol)
 
I can see exactly how that could have been misinterpreted, especially based on my propensity for stirring up trouble...lol
 
Hopefully my posts haven't painted me as a bigot, because Lord knows I am probably the most open minded and accepting person out there (those that really know me can verify this.)
 
My jokes aren't personal attacks on Clay....nor are they blatent attacks on the gay lifestyle....

If anything my personal motto has always been:

"Diversity is our biggest strength; ignorance our greatest weakness."

Sorry again for any confusion my choice of wording intially caused......


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From: MSN Nickname°fins°Sent: 12/20/2003 9:47 PM
Well I have to admit, I am not a Clay fan, but the topic him being Gay, gets old. Now the afraid of cats that was funny.

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From: MSN NicknameTheQueen©Sent: 12/20/2003 10:29 PM
Fixtin if you weren't talking about me it was mighty close to what I said. But no worries. I don't care.
 
As far as Clay being a geek, maybe what you think of as a geek and what I see as a geek are two different things. I thought of a geek as a nerd someone who isn't street wise or in the slightest bit tough. Sometimes mistaken for as far from urban as one can get.
 
But when i met Clay I did not find that to be totally true he is somewhat sheltered BUT not very. Remember he worked with kids who WERE street wise he is aware of the life outside of suburbia (sp?) Also, Clay is the product of a single parent household. What would make you think this MAN is as innocent and pure as you all make him out to be, in fact he hates that his fans to (STRAIGHT FROM HIS LIPS)
 
The man is funny Charming and not afraid of himself.....not the qualities of a geek. Looks can be deceiving and I think you have been decieved. Clay is no more a geek then most. He is, in my opinion, NOT a sex symbol either. He just an average guy from the south and it polite. Endearingly so but not unusually so.

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From: MSN Nickname1974bLuE-eYeD-sOuL1974Sent: 12/21/2003 12:15 AM
What would make you think this MAN is as innocent and pure as you all make him out to be, in fact he hates that his fans to (STRAIGHT FROM HIS LIPS)
 
What?
 
Hates that his fans to? (do you mean "hates that his fans do?" (as in thinks that he pure?)

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From: MSN NicknameTheQueen©Sent: 12/21/2003 12:22 AM
yes blue....lol!!! I loves his fans but finds their expectations hard to live up to as he is not and does not want to be a spiritual vocalists.

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From: MSN Nickname1974bLuE-eYeD-sOuL1974Sent: 12/21/2003 12:46 AM
What about the Clay Prayer Chains?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
rolmmfao.......

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From: fixatin' on claytonSent: 12/21/2003 1:07 AM
Fixtin if you weren't talking about me it was mighty close to what I said. But no worries. I don't care.
 
Queen - I may have missed one of your earlier posts in this thread.  I wasn't referring to you or anything you had said. 
 
What would make you think this MAN is as innocent and pure as you all make him out to be
 
Huh?  When did I ever say I think he's innocent and pure?  Believe me, I laugh my butt off over a lot of stuff I read about him on the Clay message boards, because there are plenty of gals there who do picture him that way.  If anything, I think he somewhat carefully crafted a persona on AI2 that he thought would make him come across as vulnerable and likable to women, in order to get their votes.  I'm not calling him a phoney, just saying I think he's very smart and knew talent alone wouldn't win it for him, so he played up certain elements of his personality that he felt would make him come off better.  Unfortunately, that may have backfired a bit because these same chicks who watched him on AI2 and loved it that he seemed so vulnerable and was begging for their votes, well now they still think he's Mr.-Pure-As-the-Driven Snow and they still want to mother him, which probably makes him want to gag. 
 
Looks can be deceiving and I think you have been decieved.
 
I totally agree looks can be deceiving; that's what I tried to express to Blue in my earlier post.  I don't harbor any illusions about Clay's personal life or what he's really like when the cameras are not on him.  Maybe he's gay, I don't know and don't much care because if he is gay, the way I feel about him would not change.  I love his sexy voice, I think he's cute as hell, and I would like to think he's probably a pretty nice guy but don't lay awake at night pondering whether that's true. 

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From: MSN NicknameTheQueen©Sent: 12/21/2003 1:44 AM
oh okay....
 
but truthfully I was just throwing all that out there. I only aimed that one part at you particularly. But hey, good conversation!

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From: MSN Nickname°finsShady°Sent: 10/27/2008 12:52 AM
I miss BlueeyeSoul... He could get Clay fans going, and have them and everyone laughing or just pisssed period.

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From: elanSent: 10/27/2008 10:11 PM
Clay Who?

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From: MSN NicknamehootiesmomSent: 10/27/2008 11:43 PM
yeahthat

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