Here Ace here is another verse that many Lose Salvation teachers teach and I am going to get this out of the way as well so to leave you with no doubt in your study of the Word of God. Here please read carefully.Many that teach that you can lose ones salvation cite Revelations 3:5 as there back up verse to support there doctrine
Revelation 3:5 said He who overcomes shall thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life.
Actually Ace this is a verse of encouragemnt and praise. The comments are directed to a group of faithful believers from the church of Sardis. Unlike the majority of the folks in their congregation, this handful of members had remained unsoiled by the world around them. The verse in question contains Christ's commendation to this group for their consistent walk. To assume from what is said here that God will possibly erase names from the Book of Life is to read into the verse a concept clearly not present. At best , it is an argument Ace you give from silence, for the verse simply reads, " And I will not erase his name from the book of life."
Look Ace John refers the book of life five other times in Revelation. From two of these verses that I will show it will become evident that John certainly did not believe names could be erased:
In these verses Ace John informs us about the time when the Book of Life was filled out. Are you Shocked Ace? You should be. The Book of Life of the Lamb has been complete since the foundation of the world Ace. The Book of Life was filled out befroe the first entry was ever born. God's foreknowledge had a great deal to do with who was written in and who was not. In anticipation Ace of Christ's death on man's behalf, God wrote the names of those He knew from eternity past would accept His gracious offer. The apostle Paul had this dame idea in mind ACE when he wrote,
Ephesians 1:4 said Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him.
God wrote Ace before we did anything. He filled out the Book of Life in anticipation of what He knew we would do. Therefore, He did not write in response to what we actually did; rather, He wrote in responce to what He knew we would actually do.
This distinction Ace is very important, for if God put names in the book as history unfolded-as we actually believed-it could be argued ACE that He erases them as history unfolds as well. But if God entered names according to His foreknowledge, it follows that He would erase them according to His Foreknowledge, which makes no sense at all ACE. If God wrote and erased according to foreknowledge, both His writing and His erasing would be complete before the world began. In that case, no one needs to live with the fear that his or her name will be erased from the book of life sometime in the future. But if that is the case, Revelation 3:5 is no longer a problem ACE.
Also I would like to mention Ace the second reason I give for these verses I gave to eliminate the possibility of names being erased is that both the verses I gave indicate that the lost people in these verses had never had their names written in the Book of Life. John does not say these names were simply not in the book at that time. John said though that "Everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world."Who is John talking about here Ace? "All who dwell on the earth." In other words Ace in case you don't understand. No lost persons at any time had ever had their names written in the Book of Life. Read this message again Ace.
Like I said Ace Losing Ones Salvation doesn't hold water in the Word of God. Your verses that you have given Ace thus far doesn't prove that one can lose their salvation. I will show other verses that I know people like to use to show that one can lose their salvation and I will use them to prove just the opposite. That will be at another time.Until then Ace I encourgage you to get out of that Pentecostal doctrine of losing ones salvation and start study the Word of God more in detail. What I showed proved that Salvation can not be Lost. May Jesus bless you Ace
ACE you said the words Falling from Grace proves that one could lose ones Salvation well I am going to help you understand that verse as well since I have time today. I do read my bible and study it alot and as you will see you will need to go study more as well.
Galations 5:4 said You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Ace your perception of "Falling from grace" is unfortunate. Let me help you Ace please read this one carefully as well as all my post instead of not reading them. Lets begin shall we.
ACE in the book of Galations I find Paul defending himself and the gospel of Christ form a group of teachers who arrived in Galatia sometime after he left. The group was commonly referred to as the Judaizers, proclaimed a gospel different from Paul's. Yet it was similar to the apostle's teaching in enough ways to confuse the Christians in Galatia.
The group believed and taught that salvation was found through having faith in Christ along with keeping portions of the law. Their distorted gospel centered on the importance of circumcision. ACE,Paul's letter indicates in Galations 5:2 that the Judaizers were successful in persuading some Gentile believers to be circumcised to ensure their salvation.
ACE, the series of events broke the apostle's heart in Galations 4:18-20. Paul was under the impression that the people of Galatia were solid in their understanding of the gospel. To hear that they were so easily led astray was a real blow to Paul ACE.
ACE, Paul wrote in
Galations 1:6-7 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Ace The Judaizers believed in salvation by works. It was not enough to simply put one's trust in Christ's death on the cross as payment for sin. The Judaizers taught ACE that a man must combine his faith with works in order to gain eternal life. Also ACE Judaizers continued t adhere to portions of the law as a code of ethics. They observed special days. The Judaizers retained many of the law's dietary guidelines. And as I mentioned earlier ACE, circumcision was significant to the Judaizers. As I see in Galations ACE the topic of circumcision must have been one of the favorites of the Judaizers.
Now I know ACE your asking what has all of this to do with falling from grace? I am getting to that so please read ACE. Within the context of this great debate Paul makes his statement concerning falling from grace. Write this down ACE for just a note to self. Paul's primary concern was not that the Galatian believers were drifting off into some sort of gross immorality. Paul wasn't thinking that they was consciously abandoning God. That was not the point of contention ACE. Actually in one sense, the opposite was true. These Galations were about to adopt a form of religion that restricted their freedom even further!They were in danger of committing themselves to a way of life that would demand more in the way of works.ACE,Paul warned in
Galations 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not subject again to a yoke of slavery.
ACE it is interesting to see that this verse I gave above serves as the introduction to the verse that includes the Fallen from Grace expression that we are discussing. Paul continued Ace in
Galations 5:2-3 and it said Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
ACE What did Paul mean when he said that Christ will be of no benefit to those who receive circumcision? As I hope you know ACE that Paul was born in a Jewis home. Paul was circumcised. Furthermore, Paul had Timothy circumcised to keep from giving offense to the Jews in Acts 16:3. What was Paul getting at you may ask ACE?
ACE, circumcision had been presented to the group as a means fo salvation. In effect Paul was warning them that trusting circumcision for salvation was a waste of time. That was not the way to find acceptance in Christ. Anyone who was circumcised for salvation was adding works to faith, thus demonstrating a lack of faith in the sufficiency of Christ's death. The act of circumcision was not the problem. It was the bad theology that I see ACE that was attaced to the act that concerned him.
ACE besides Paul argued that you just can't pick and choose which parts of the law you want to keep and which parts you want to dispose of. If you think salvation comes through the law, you had better keep the whole thing. It was all or nothing. Combining Christ and the law wouldn't work because they were two entirely different systems even though Unisage would like to think otherwise. Law and Grace don't mix. A gift is not a gift if you have to do something to get it ACE.
ACE now with all that said and behing me we get to Paul's use of Galations 5:4 which I will write again so you can see it. It saids in
Galations 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
ACE the situation demanded as I see forthrightness. They were choosing to go right back into the bondage from which they had been freed through Christ's death. If salvation could be attained through the route offered by the Judaizers, then Christ died needlessly.Go back and read Galations 2:21 for yourself
ACE Severed in Galations 5:4 means Nullify if I am not mistaken. To nullify something is to eliminate its value, impact, significance, and even in some cases, consequence. Go look up its meaning if you don't believe me. So by integrating portions of the law into the gospel, they were nullifying the need for Christ's death for their sin.Again ACE if salvation could be attained through the law, there was no reason for Christ to even die.
ACE Paul was building on what he had said in the previous verse and that is Christ is become of no effect unto you. In other words What good is Christ if you choose to be justified by law?
ACE I will ask you this simple question. Paul have stated You have fallen from grace. I ask you To What? If they have fallen form grace, to what had they fallen? Well, what has he been contrasting grace with all along? Works and law ACE.
ACE in this context the opposite of grace is not lost. That does not even make sense to me grammatically. The opposite of grace is the works of the law ACE. To fall from grace,then, is to abandon the salvation by grace model for justification and to adopt the salvations by works model.
ACE the issue here is not the possible loss of salvation for grace is referred to not as salvation itself but as a method of salvation.
If the Galations accepted circumcision as necessagry fo salvation, they would be leaving the grace system for the Mosiaic Law system.
ACE, Paul wasn't threatening them and I do repeat wasn't threatening them with the loss of salvation, just the loss of freedom which it saids in Galations 5:1. Paul didn't say they were falling form salvation. His concern was that they were falling away from God's system of grace, which in turn would lead them right back into the frustration of living under the law.
ACE I will leave these last verses for encouragement and it is
Romans 8:37-39 and it said But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
ACE if you have put your faith in Christ as your God and Saviour, nothing can separate you from the love of Christ. You may fall from grace ACE, but you will never fall from salvation. Romans 8:37-39 Paul said this as well and you can't get more secure than that.
May Jesus Our God bless you ACE
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