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General : Quitting by gradual withdrawal  
     
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From: Joel  (Original Message)Sent: 1/27/2006 4:24 PM
Joel,
 
I thought you might be interested to know that my husband and I have quit smoking by gradual withdrawal. We are only 9 days completely smoke free. For one week we cut our smoking about in half (12 per day). The next week we cut that in half. By that weekend, we had a stressful event come up and we were back up to our normal smoking habits.
 
After all of this, I told him that we just had to quit. While doing it the gradual way gave me some hope, all I did was obsess over my next time to smoke. It really was almost as hard as you claim in this article.
 
I just found your site on day 7, it would have been nice to have read it earlier. Thanks your the support your site gives.
 
Sincerely,
Christie


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From: JoelSent: 1/27/2006 4:25 PM
Don't worry about not finding the site earlier. As long as you found it and understand it now, it is no longer important how you first got yourself started. I am going to attach another commentary that addresses this issue. Hope you find it helpful.
 
Joel
 

Is cold turkey the only way to quit?




I have seen it written that we have said that the ONLY way to quit smoking is to quit cold turkey. This is not a totally accurate statement. It is not that cold turkey is the only way to quit,; it is just that cold turkey is the method which gives people the best chance of success. It is the method that all but a small percentage of long-term ex-smokers in the world used to successfully quit smoking.

There are people who have quit using alternative approaches. There are some who cut down gradually and actually succeeded at quitting. For every person who did it like this and succeeded, there are many many many many others who tried it and failed. The individual who used the method will think it is great because it worked for him or her, but since it works for so few people it will generally be recognized as a pretty ineffective technique by most people who do "real world" research into how to quit.

By "real world" research I mean by going to long-term ex-nicotine users who you know personally and finding out how they all got off nicotine. Again, you will very rarely find any who did it by gradual withdrawal. If you find a person like this who is now off years, you should never minimize the person's success. He or she quit smoking, likely doing it in a way that made it much more difficult than it needed to be, but still he or she did pull off the quit. The only advice that I would encourage that you share with the person is that now to stay off he or she must understand the bottom line method of sustaining his or her quit. That message is staying cognizant of the addiction and that the only true guaranteed method to stay off now is knowing never to administer nicotine again.

The same principle here applies to people who use NRT products. There are people who have quit this way. Again, it is a small percentage of the long-term ex-users out there, but they do exist. An individual who pulled it off this way will also feel that it is a great method for quitting. But again, this method works for a small percentage of people who try it and if you look into real world long-term quits you will have a very hard time finding many people who actually successfully got off nicotine this way.

I feel it necessary to use that phrase, "got off nicotine," as opposed to saying, "got off smoking." There are some major experts coming out and advocating that people should be given nicotine supplements forever to stay off of smoking. Can this work? Of course it can. If you can give people enough nicotine via supplements it will satisfy their need for nicotine. After all, this is the primary reason they were smoking at the end--to feed a nicotine addiction. If the smoker can just get nicotine for the rest of his or her life via another route, he or she will avoid going through the three days of nicotine withdrawal.

The question needs to be, why should anyone have to pay what is likely to be tens of thousands of dollars to avoid a few days of withdrawal.? On top of this, these people will never be totally free of the moderate withdrawals that such usage is likely to keep going. These people will in fact tout the use of the product as a great aid, but when compared to what people who are totally nicotine free are experiencing, this victory over cigarettes is just a bit hollow.

There are a few people though whom you may encounter over your lifetime that did quit using NRT's as intended, weaning down for week after week and eventually quitting. If the person is now off for years, he or she is pretty much in the same state as a person who had quit cold turkey. He or she is nicotine free, and he or she should be thrilled by that fact. In some ways I look at people like this with a bit of awe, for they in all likelihood stuck with a process that was pretty much a gradual and prolonged withdrawal and yet they succeeded.

Again, debating the merits of their method with them is pretty much a moot point. It worked for them and you are going to have a pretty hard time convincing them that it is an ineffective method. But you do have a message that you can share with them that they do need to know. That message is that even though they are off nicotine for years, they still need to recognize that they are not cured of nicotine addiction and never will be. No matter how they had stopped, they must still understand the bottom line message, that the only way to stay free now is staying totally committed to never administer nicotine again via any nicotine replacement source and to never administer nicotine again from the original source that likely started the whole process by knowing to never take another puff!


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From: JoelSent: 1/27/2006 4:26 PM
Thanks for the article. It may be to your website's advantage, to also state some statistics on nicotine overdoses. 
 
Several years ago, I overdosed on the nicotine patch. After thinking I was having a heart attack and going to the emergency room, I was told the there was more nicotine in the patch than what I had been smoking. The doctor told me to never use another NRT again...which is why I chose my way of quitting.
 
I do agree with you that cold turkey is the only way to go!!! The gradual withdrawal was horrible. When I just let go and quit, it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.
 
Once again, thanks for your website. And thank you for taking your time to email me personally.

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From: JoelSent: 1/27/2006 4:29 PM
The original article that I think initiated this corresondence:
 

Quitting by Gradual Withdrawal



Quitting by the gradual withdrawal method.  I discuss this method quite extensively in my seminars.  I always tell how if there is anyone attending who knows a smoker who they really despise they should actively encourage them to follow the gradual withdrawal "cut down" approach.  They should call them up ever day and tell them to just get rid of one cigarette.  Meaning, if they usually smoke 40 a day, just smoke 39 on the first day of the attempt to quit.  The next day they should be encouraged to smoke only 38 then 37 the next day and so on.  Then the seminar participant should call these people every day to congratulate them and encourage them to continue.  I must reemphasize, this should only be done to a smoker you really despise.

You see, most smokers will agree to this approach.  It sounds so easy to just smoke one less each day.  Thirty-nine cigarettes to a two pack a day smoker seems like nothing.  The trick is to convince the person that you are only trying to help them.  For the first week or two the one downside is you have to pretend to like the person and you have to talk to them every day.  They won’t whine to bad either.  When they are down to 30 from 40, they may start to complain a little.  You really won’t be having fun yet.  When the payoff comes is about three weeks into scam.  Now you've got them to less than half their normal amount.  They are in moderate withdrawal all the time.

A month into the approach you’ve got them into pretty major withdrawal.  But be persistent.  Call them and tell them how great they are doing and how proud you are of them.  When they are in their 35th to 39th day, you have pulled off a major coup.  This poor person is in peak withdrawal, suffering miserably and having absolutely nothing to show for it.  They are no closer to ending withdrawal than the day you started the process.  They are in chronic withdrawal, not treating him or herself to one or two a day, but actually depriving him or herself of 35 to 40 per day.

If you want to go in for the kill, when you got them down to zero, tell them don’t worry if things get tough, just take a puff every once in a while.  If you can get them to fall for this, taking one puff every third day, they will remain in withdrawal forever.  Did I mention you really should despise this person to do this to them?  It is probably the cruelest practical joke that you could ever pull on anyone.  You will undercut their chance to quit, make them suffer immeasurably and likely they will at some point throw in the towel, return to smoking, have such fear of quitting because of what they went through cutting down, that they will continue to smoke until it kills them.  Like I said, you better really despise this person.

Hopefully there is no one you despise that much to do this to them.  I hope nobody despises themselves enough to do this to themselves.  Quitting cold turkey may be hard but quitting by this withdrawal technique is virtually impossible.  If you have a choice between hard and impossible, go for hard.  You will have something to show at the end of a hard process, but nothing but misery at the end of an impossible approach.  Quit cold and in 72 hours it eases up.  Cut down and it will basically get progressively worse for weeks, months, years if you let it.

I should mention, this is not a new technique.  It has been around for decades.  Talk to every long-term ex-smoker you know.  Try to find one person who successfully used the cut down approach, gradually reducing to eventual zero over weeks or months.  You will be hard pressed to find even one person who fits this bill.  One other perspective that should help you see the flaw in the approach.  Look at people here who had once quit for months or years and then relapsed.  One day, after such a long time period, they take a drag and are smoking again.  If one puff can do this after years or decades, guess what it will do after days or hours of being smoke free.  It puts the smoker back to square one. All that any ex-smoker has to do to avoid relapse or chronic withdrawal is to - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

Joel



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From: JoelSent: 7/16/2007 12:57 PM
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