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From: MSN NicknameRoolations_Rob  (Original Message)Sent: 1/20/2005 8:31 PM
I recently on New Years Eve Aquired a Blue and Gold Macaw who is 4 years old.
 
Unfortunately this Macaw was over running the house he was in and the lady wanted to rehome him.
 
When he came here I had to quickly break some habits which were accomplished.
 
My only problem now is the last couple days, he has become a real brat with stepping up.  I goto the cage and he beelines it inside the cage or tries to bite me, if he gets inside he hold onto the bars with his beak and steps up but will not let go for dear life.
 
When he does let me he is a suck as usual.
 
I am just curious if this is him being a brat or if i have to jump it and end it and if so how.   I have never had a  macaw before so I am just learning.
 
Also he loves to scream at my wife when she walks in the room makes her scared.
 
Thanks for any help
 
Rob
 


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From: MSN Nicknameannieokie100Sent: 1/20/2005 8:46 PM
Hi Rob, Welcome to BB.  I think your macaw has decided the honeymoon is over.  Birds who come to our homes are usually pretty sweet and quiet for just about two weeks and then they decide it's time to test my new Dad (or Mom). The nipping or outright biting and screaming begins and we just shudder to think what we have gotten into. Personally I think fear plays a part in them being sweeter at first, not knowing what on earth happened to land them in the new, strange place.  Then they begin to realize this is home, maybe I can be the boss.
Be gentle with him, softspoken, even whisper to him. Tell your wife to whisper, too. Move slowly, without a lot of arm movements. No yelling back at him. Then when you leave the room, if he yells, whistle to him. It's a wonderful contact call that they learn to respond to without all the racket. Mine all whistle if I am out of sight and I whistle back. Often I whistle first, and they whistle back to let me know they're OK.
And yes, he's being a brat, but he doesn't know what to do.
Katz has a macaw, Vin, who she got at age 6, a spoiled rotten fella. She has worked hard with him for years and has success. She's at work now but will probably see this tonight and advise you.
Annie

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From: birdladySent: 1/20/2005 9:24 PM
Hi Rob. . .I'm curious as to what kind of bad habits your new macaw had when he came to your house?  And how did you eliminate those habits so quickly?  There's always someone needing information on these types of projects and I'd bet we could all benefit from knowing more.  Thanks.

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From: MSN NicknamePeggy19401Sent: 1/20/2005 10:20 PM
I've decided all macaws are bullys to a certain degree. If they think they can get the best of you they will do it. You said at his former home he ran the house, so he thinks he can do the same thing with you. Parrots don't come into this world knowing how to be good companions, they have to be taught. No one took the time to teach him. You have to show him what you expect and above all be consistent. I just finshed reading 'The Second-hand Parrot' by Mattie Sue Athan. It's printed by Barron's and worth the reading if you just aquired an older bird. Good luck to you both.

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From: MSN NicknameScarlettsmom1Sent: 1/20/2005 11:25 PM
I have had Macaws for several years and many macaws seem to issues with dominance.  They like to see if they can bully you into doing what they want you to do.  If you react to their big beak with fear and don't become the leader of the flock they will become brats and that is why so many macaws are rehomed several times in their lives.  When my macaws are trying to test dominance I will open the door of the cage and not stick my arm into the cage Scarlett usually will get up on the door of the cage and step up once she is on my arm we practice multiple step ups and then I put her back in her cage.  I then put my arm into the cage and usually she will step up but if not I repeat the process of letting her come out and then doing step ups until she will step up from inside her cage.  I'm not sure if I would press the issue with a new bird since she may be having issues about being rehomed but in time she should step up. 
 
When my macaws call it is usually because of a couple of things:  they are lonely and want to know where I am and they want attention.   Or they are hungry or want new water.  Or they see a danger in the yard like a cat or a wild bird.  Morning and evening calls are natural for a macaw.  In the wild they call the flock together or try to find out where everyone in the flock is.  Annie is right respond to the calls with quiet and never scream back or yell.  Part of owning a macaw is some noise and in time you will love the sound they make.  (that sounds really stupid but I really do love the way they call.)  I just hope you don't have neighbors too close.
I am not an expert on macaws but I love them soooooooo much if I can help at all let me know.
PS  I have a B&G and a GW.

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From: MSN NicknameKatzxtenSent: 1/21/2005 1:07 AM
Hi--I only take preowned birds--I am much better with the than with babies. My macaw was 6 when I got him and what nobody has mentioned here is you are dealing with a hormonal teenager at the ripe old age of four--and its just starting. That is the reason so many large birds are rehomed between 4 and 6 years of age. I doubt you have broken any bad habits yet--sorry --it takes a lot more time-(we still have some issues and its been 12 years). I would highly recommend the book Peggy suggests and 'guide to a well behaved parrot' by the same author.  Drop any expectations you have of how the bird should behave and start your own retraining program--be consistent and respect the bird too. He had a life--he had no say on the change in that life and he is a very intelligent thinking creature--if he was spoiled and had the run of things he probably liked it very much--He will try everyday to maintain the staus quo.
I would also suggest that you relax--and tell your wife to relax--they sense fear and frustration and everything else that humans feel--and they use it!  like screaming at your wife--The actual best reaction to bad things to a macw in training is NO REACTION AT ALL>  Loves and affection when they get it right but a poker face and no intonation when they get it wrong.  And try a few unsalted pistachio nuits as a bribe--mine will stand on his head for them.        Katz
 

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From: MSN NicknameRoolations_RobSent: 1/21/2005 4:01 AM
Thank you all so much for your advice.
 
I will give you a little more back ground info.
 
My Macaw was owned by a chinese family not sure why they sold him but they did to a lady.  She bought him and she had many other birds, so from there her kids had no interest so it was on her, and he was taking his tole on the whole family so she asked me if i wanted him I said sure.
 
When she got him it took weeks to be able to get him to step up out of the cage me it was 2 days, he would not let anyone touch him except her, me the 4th day we were wrestling on the floor he would lay on his back and i would tickle his stomach and he would try to catch my fingures with his feet, this is a usual morning ritual for him and me. 
 
Though at the same time he is extremely stubborn, his cage has to be in a certain order, food on one side water on the other or he flips out.  His toys have to be in a certain spot, and nothing new, nothing over his head.  I though decided to change his cage around on him and he has toned down now.  I put his toys in different spots and stuff.  He acted devistated but now plays with them more.  Or what my wife calls beating them up, he attacks them screams at them.
 
What I am finding now is i could go and put my arm in aslong as he was not sleeping or tired and he would step up, now when i try to get him he jets for inside his cage or to the back and squaks at me, I usually tell him to be nice and he steps up  when i have him he is a suck holds my shirt with his beak or puts his head under my chin as we move.
 
He has some body language i do not understand either.  For example he will extend his neck out at something then jerk it back fast and keep doign this over and over again.  The latest one is he will stand infront of something and bob his head up and down really fast at something, sometimes followed by a scream.
 
My wife has been pretty much scared of him since day one, and when ever she walks into the room he is in he screams at her, she thought maybe he wanted her but lately he has been lunging at her when she goes near him.  When I am in the room not a peep out him. 
 
The other day he seemed to be out of control and nothing gonna stop him he was being really nasty so i picked him up put him in the bathroom with the light off and left him for 5 minutes told him he had to be nice to come out.  He was nice the rest of the day.
 
I hope I am doing the right thing and I thank you all for your advice.
 
Rob
 

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From: MSN NicknameKatzxtenSent: 1/21/2005 4:32 AM
Why would you change his cage from the way he wanted it?He has likes and dislikes.
Why would you punish him by shutting him in a dark bathroom?-Birds don't understand that kind of punishment.
A macaws body language is very easy to read and there are several good books and web pages on the subject.
He dislikes things over his head because these are prey birds and its a natural instinct to think danger comes from above.
He is beating up on the toys --not because he is having fun-because he is probably very angry. He may not like your friend--they don't like everyone just as people don't and if they sense fear that is going to make him lunge and bully--and probably bite at some point.
He is behaving somewhat for you because he sees you are the dominant person--the flock leader. When he misbehaves for you he is testing that theory--he will do that all of his life-and yours.
If you have only had the bird a couple of weeks you are still in the honeymoon period--and its all about building trust--and that includes respecting the bird and his toy arrangement and feeding stations and responsible discipline. What you have is a potential companion for life--but neither of you should be bullying the other.  You are dealing with a bundle of feathers that thinks much like a 3 year old child and has the emotions of a 2 year old human child- will respond to fair treatment and give back more than it will ever take--but he needs to trust you to respect him too.     Katz
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameRoolations_RobSent: 1/21/2005 7:00 AM
I only did this stuff cause i was told to do it.
 
I have no idea.
 
 

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From: birdladySent: 1/21/2005 11:28 AM
I agree with Katz, Rob.  Your bird has had a sudden and scary change in his life and his cage is the one constant that should remain a secure, safe haven for him.  He runs inside (and would close the door, if he could) to feel safe -- not further confused and confronted by change.  If it were me, I would put everything just the way it was when he arrived and not make any such changes at all for quite some time to come.
 
And I agree with Katz on the bathroom routine.  He doesn't mentally connect the cause and effect so it just isolates him further -- which in turn frustrates him or scares him or angers him.  And, it sets him up for possibly trying to chew his way through the door or woodwork -- which will infuriate you.
 
And, I'm thinking that wrestling with him, which seems like fun now, will become a test of power and aggression.  That isn't going to be fun at all because he'll always win that one.
 
The craning the neck and jerking reminds me of my #2 Gray, who came to my house in Sept.  She would violently scratch her beak and then go into the same routine.  Took her to the vet to be checked for anything and everything.  Nothing physically wrong.  She was trying to regurgitate -- from nervousness, we decided.  You two should visit your avian vet to determine whether your bird's actions are caused by an illness, worms, or emotional stress, etc.
 
If I may be so bold, may I urge you to make time to read the recommended books before proceeding.  Macaws are large, magnificent, incredibly intelligent birds, and living with one is practically a science in itself.  Learning all you possibly can about proper nutrition, grooming, illnesses and ailments, humane training techniques, macaw behavioral patterns, and their natural thought processes should take precedence over gaining the upper hand at this immediate point in time.  At least that's my opinion.  
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameRoolations_RobSent: 1/21/2005 4:48 PM
I am going to go find them books, I think I saw them at super pet if not I will check out Chapters.
 
He has been to the vet and he checked out fine across the board exxcept for 2 stess feathers he has on his outer wing.
 
I have not moved his toys back at all he is playing with them more now then before.  Not aggressively at all either. Right now he is all interested in the loop lock that its attached to.
 
TO be honest I find his aggressive behavior is mostly at dusk after dinner. I am wonding if this is his calling the flock time or not.
 
Today he is all calm and relaxed, has not even lunged at my wife or anything he is being a perfect angel again.  Though he will not step up out of his cage at all still you can pet him and everything else, goto get him to step up and grabs the bars of the cage with his beak and will not let go.
 
I put him in a huge window where he has an excellent view of the area and he seems to love that looking out the window at the people and cars going by.
 
Him and my senegal have conversations all the time which is funny.
 
Anyways I am going to look for them books see what i can find.
 
Rob
 

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From: birdladySent: 1/21/2005 7:23 PM
It's great to hear that everyone is having a good day at your house.  In addition to the books, be sure to look into the articles that appear in the sidebar.  And there are some posts in the past on here that lead to very informative articles, too.  Vet terms and all sorts of various topics.  We can all learn something new and useful from the experts.

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