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Macaws : My Hahns doesnt trust me anymore,I think. Help.
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From: MSN NicknameRubyTuesday-62  (Original Message)Sent: 9/10/2005 8:21 PM
My Hanhs has always hated my son,ever since we brought him home from the animal shelter in January. Our son doesnt live at home. Last month when our son came to visit,I told him that I was sure Simon would be ok with him that I thought he was just guarding him cage. So I got him out and talked to him for a few minutes. Then I had proceded to put Simon on my son's hand. Well, Simon bit the crap out of me. Duh! My fault, I should have listened to what he was trying to tell me. I only jerked my hand away and he floated to the ground. Picked him up right away. Well now it seems Simon doesnt want me to get him out of his cage. Have I ruined his trust in me?? I use a perch to bring him out now. Once he is out he is ok. He still doesnt seem too happy with me. My hubby just reaches in and gets him. From day one,he has never asked to come out. He always would step away and we would just reach in and he would step up. Now he lunges at any stranger that may come near him. He never used to do that. We work during the day and he gets out of cage time in the evenings and on weekends. He has 2 cockateils and a lovebird that we also share our home with. Please give me any ideas on what I should do. I have read about cage guarding,etc. I do want to do the right thing and dont want to mess this up more.
 
     


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From: MSN NicknameZonkersMom125Sent: 9/10/2005 8:39 PM
Just a guess, but he may associate you with that bad experience, and since you did get him from an animal shelter you really have no idea of the "baggage" he may have brought with him.  My little sun conure was injured when he got hung up in a rope perch, and when I took him out later that evening to check on him he jumped off my hand to the (carpeted) floor and broke a blood feather.  He was in so much pain from losing his flights from the injury that he didn't bother to hide it.  Trust was completely destroyed, he still allowed me to touch him inside his cage, but would bite the crap out of me if I asked him to step up, and it took almost a year for him to be comfortable with being out of his cage again.  I thought I'd blown it too but it does take time and you must be understanding of the little guy.  Right now he may be associating stepping up on your hand with his fall, and even if he fluttered to the ground it may have been a very frightening experience for him.  You can still get him out with a stick, and that's a start.  Give him time to rebuild the trust that your hand is a safe perch for him.  Ditto the lunging at strangers, too.  It may be that he took a bad fall in a previous life and this has brought those memories to the front again.  I'm sure there'll be others to give you advice, too.  Just be patient with him and try to look at things through his eyes.

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From: MSN NicknameNanmeisterSent: 9/11/2005 12:53 AM
I;'m glad he'll still let you get him out on the perch . I'd take him in another room and practice step up again. Get his favorite treat and make sure you give it the moment he steps up. Lavish him with praise.
Don't give this treat unless you are working with him though. Nan

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From: peggy19401Sent: 9/11/2005 4:00 AM
I agree with both ZM and Nan. I want to add that since you got a pretty good bite from him, you would not be human if you didn't approach him with a little more care. If you are afraid he's going to bite you, he probably will. They sense things like that much more than we realize. My first GW could scare the pants off a full grown man, but any of my bird friends could walk up, put their hand out, and say 'up' and he stepped right up. Anyone who even felt fear shouldn't get too close, but those who were completely unafraid were instant friends. Believe me, they know. Just take your time with him and you will get your buddy back. And NEVER, EVER hand him off to someone he doesn't like or doesn't know. He does not have to like everyone.   Peggy

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From: MSN NicknameRubyTuesday-62Sent: 9/11/2005 6:02 PM
I am trying to read his body language. He always goes off his perch to the side of the cage when I try to get him out. Sometimes he lunges a little when I get his food. I never pull back, I just watch him. When he is on his stand and Im on the pc not looking at him,he will come closer to me. When I look up at him,he moves to the other side of the stand. He has always stepped up on a perch,even his first day at the shelter. I will NEVER EVER hand him to anyone unless he likes them. I know that was my bad. I tell everyone to not get close only talk to him from afar.
 
Ruby

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From: MSN NicknameZonkersMom125Sent: 9/11/2005 7:12 PM
Have you ever tried just sitting on the floor in front of his cage and reading a book, or even getting a picture book and reading to him?  My shy guy Shannon took forever to feel comfortable with me coming near him, a lot of that was my fault because I wasn't really myself at the time (but that's a whole 'nother story) and he could sense something bothering me and was scared of me.  That's what I used to do, leave the door open and sit on the floor in front of him and read story books.  Nan's got a great idea with his favorite treat.  I'm bad about using pine nuts as bribes, they've been good for all sorts of things.  When you look at him (while you're on the pc) do you look straight at him, or kinda sideways?  Predators have their eyes in front and will give a full face look, and sometimes that bothers our birds when we do the same thing.  If he's still a little leery of you right now I can see him being a bit nervous.  The good news is, it sounds like he is very interested in you, just can't quite figure if you're a good thing or a bad thing.  Just go slow in re-winning back his trust, sometimes it's one step forward and two steps back, but you've got a long relationship ahead of you and plenty of time.  I know I've done things that have set back trust issues with my big macaw, all you can do is take a deep breath, realize that we're only human after all, and start over again.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameRubyTuesday-62Sent: 9/11/2005 9:51 PM
I have noticed that he is more comfortable when I look at him sideways. I did read about that. Sometimes I stand sideways beside his cage and look at him out of the corner of my eye and he will come over to check me out. Of course that was before. He is such a sweet bird. But very shy I believe. It makes me sad that he doesnt trust me. I will keep working at it. I appreciate everyone's ideas. Thank you.
 
Ruby

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From: MSN NicknameNanmeisterSent: 9/13/2005 11:09 PM
Ruby,
Bird Talk this month has some excellent articles on trust rebuilding and training. I'm working with a dyh amazon on  this and thought you would find the articles helpful Nan

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From: MSN NicknameRubyTuesday-62Sent: 9/16/2005 12:07 AM
Thanks Nan..I just got the New Bird Talk in the mail yesterday and did notice the article. The last 2 days I have picked Simon up from his cage. I noticed his body language had calmed a bit and just "went in" to get him.And today he stayed on his perch and didnt run from me!Im so happy I wanted to cry! He really is such a good bird. I think I got lucky since I dont know his background.
 
 
Ruby

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From: MSN NicknameRubyTuesday-62Sent: 9/17/2005 12:52 AM
Whooohooo! Im so happy! I think I have him back now. Today is the 2nd day he let me pick him up. He didnt run to the side of his cage. He seemed a little hesitent. Im just so happy I wanna cry some more......LOL! Thank you all for listening to me.
 
 
 
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From: MSN NicknameNanmeisterSent: 9/17/2005 5:46 AM
Hurray!! Glad it working for you!! Nan

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