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Questions N Tips : seperating cockatiels
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From: MSN Nickname♥♥Hopey♥♥1  (Original Message)Sent: 10/9/2005 9:21 PM
Hi all.....my sister just gave us 2 cockatiels. One male, one female. They have mated but as far as my sister knows, the male has destroyed all of the eggs. He beats up on the female when she tries to sit on the eggs. If there are eggs in the cage, and a human tries to go near the cage, he screams, and beats up on the female so she gets off the eggs. He constantly "beats up" on her when we try to show her any attention. We have no clue how long they have been together, since my sister had them given to her about 5 months ago.
My question is this: Should we seperate them? My inlaws have been wanting a cockatiel for a long time. We already have 3 ferrets and a parakeet. We don't mind keeping them both, but is there a way to get them both past the depression, if they do get this way, and get them to the point that they're fine without each other? My inlaws have a dog (outside dog) and a cat that is very old.
Awhile back we had a female keet as well as the male. They never treated each other too badly at all. Not like these two do. We lost our keet when she got an egg lodged inside of her. Our inlaws want the male 'tiel. We arent sure how they'd react being seperated. But we hate to see these two act this way. She is very quiet and shy. She doesn't ever fight back. We just don't want to lose yet another sweetheart.
Any suggestions on this? My inlaws don't really want to do a trial seperation. They don't want to get attached to him and then end up having to give him back to us. Not to mention the cost of an additional cage, toys, etc. And they don't want both birds. We don't mind having both, we just cant afford the vet bills for this many specialty animals. (meaning the vet charges a lot if its not a dog or cat)
Any suggestions on how to get these two past the lonliness, (if it happens), so they may be happy birds again???
any help would be very much appreciated!
~Hope


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From: MSN NicknameAbbyBCLady1Sent: 10/9/2005 11:17 PM
Hi Hope
 
It's really too bad that you don't have more information about the background of the two tiels.
 
My opinion is that you should get another cage and separate the two of them immediately. It is completely unfair to the female to subject her to the abuse from the male. However, I'd be reluctant to split them up completely, and would keep their two cages side by side and just see how they react. If they are indeed a pair, and the behaviour is hormonal and temporary, then splitting them up completely could give you two unhappy birds. The in-laws are not going to want to keep a bird if it screeches continually for its "mate".
 
Do you know that these birds are indeed male and female? If they are two females, that might help explain the aggressive behaviour of the one.
 
I'm sure someone will be along soon who can give you some suggestions on how you might deal with this situation.
 
Please let us know how you make out!
 
Abby

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From: MSN Nickname♥♥Hopey♥♥1Sent: 10/9/2005 11:59 PM
I am for sure that Spice is a male and Sugar is a female. Yep, lol, their names are Sugar and Spice. Here are a couple pics of them. I have a horrible camera, but you get the idea of how they look. We have not tried to get them out of their cage yet. We want to wait until they get a bit more used to us. Spice is the dark one and Sugar is the yellow/white one. Sugar is bigger than Spice, and in my opinion, a lot prettier, lol.
We are also in the process of cleaning their cage up and replacing the perches. (waiting for payday, lol) My sister and her hubby we're never the neatest people in the world.
Hope to get better pics soon.
this is Spice
 
and this is Sugar.  

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From: 1GoodBirdSent: 10/10/2005 12:57 AM
If the male is beating up on the female, you should separate them immediately.  Don't be so concerned with waiting until they are more used to you.  It is terribly stressful for a bird to be housed with a bully.  If they are too noisy being in separate cages, then give the male to the in-laws.  I think they would be far less likely to scream for the other,if they are living where they can't hear each other at all.  They will both be better pets if they are not together.  I think that birds should have their own cages, unless they are in breeding set-ups.  Even then, the behavior of this male would not be acceptable and he would be removed from the pairing.

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From: birdladySent: 10/12/2005 10:22 PM
I seem to be a bit late in finding this question, and Hope hasn't been back, perhaps, but I'll put in my two cents worth.
 
Just my opinion:
First:  You say that your sister isn't the neatest housekeeper.  Whether she was or wasn't, I would recommend a visit to your avian vet in the next week for a complete check-up and testing.  That's the first responsible step to take.  The female may be calcium depleted from egg laying or they may have other deficiencies, if they haven't be receiving a proper diet.  There are lots of potential problems that need to be detected and averted.
 
Next:  Someone gave these birds to your sister five months ago.  You're thinking about sending one off to live with your in-laws, who only want the male.  These are what might be termed "throw-away birds".  Someone needs to make a stand and the commitment to keep the two of them for the rest of their lives, providing proper caging, toys, vet care, toys, training, and bonding.  Whether that is you, or you and your in-laws, I would hope that this is the last move that either of them will have to make -- ever. 
 
Finally, abuse is abuse -- whether it is commited by a human or by another bird.  The male is abusing the female.  Therefore, they need two large cages -- side by side or at least close to each other -- where they can enjoy each other's company but no one is bullied or injured.  This will also make it much easier to bond with each of them, and train them, and keep an eye on droppings and how much each is eating, etc. etc.  I would make this change immediately.
 
I hope you'll let us know what your decision is and how things go from here on, Hope. 

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From: MSN Nickname♥♥Hopey♥♥1Sent: 10/13/2005 5:00 AM
Well, let me begin by saying that I haven't been back because I have been taking care of some things. I took both birds to the avian vet and had them both checked out. Both recieved a clean bill of health except for the fact that Sugar, the female, has lost a lot of feathers due to the males "bullying" her. She also had "bite marks" on her skin from him. Vet said to seperate them ASAP. As for calcium, she is doing very well. My inlaws have had many birds over the years and know how to take care of them. They still have a keet, Skeeter, and he is very healthy and gets checked often. They have taken the time to get a beautiful cage and set it up with everything Spice could ever want. He is in a great place in the house, and the inlaws have been doting on him constantly and he is doing VERY awesome. He plays, eats, drinks and has already been out of the cage to "check things out". He seems to be doing great over there. Sugar is here with us and is very calm now and less agitated. She and our keet "talk" back and forth, she has finally been able to interact with us and loves it, not to mention she has found out what a scritch is and begs for them every time we go near her, lol. I think her favorite thing is......she's stress free! We plan to wait a bit, then take her to get her wings clipped. Whenever we take Dixie out, the ferrets go in the bedroom, door closed. So the same will apply with her. We never plan to mix the two birds, or have them out together.
So all in all I think we did the best thing we could. They both have forever homes, Sugar can heal and be herself.....and Spice will have all the attention he can handle. (Skeeter, the keet does as well. )
   When our family and hubbys family get any kind of new pet, it stays our pet. Unfortunatley we couldn't keep Spice, but he will never have to deal with all of this again. We have had our keet, Dixie, since he was 6 weeks old. And our ferrets we rescued when they were only a year old. Dixie is now 5 years old and the ferrets are all around 4. We always hear from friends that we treat our "babies" like members of the family. I say,"YUP! and thats they way it'll always be!"
 
 
 
Just an update and wanted to let everyone know how things went. Thank you all for your help. It means a lot to have people to get advice from when you're not sure. Luckily I have a good avian vet.
Thanks again!!

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From: birdladySent: 10/13/2005 11:06 AM
"All's well that ends well."  Good to hear.

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From: MSN NicknameAbbyBCLady1Sent: 10/13/2005 2:33 PM
Wonderful news, Hope! I'm glad you've worked everything out so well.
 
Abby
 
PS  I reallly love their names, Sugar and Spice!
 

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