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| | From: MzMarz (Original Message) | Sent: 11/16/2007 7:23 PM |
Teeny tiny little baby was born yesterday at 8am - first baby that has hatched for Sid(boy-10yrs old-Normal Gray w/some white neck patches) & Arnie(girl-12 yrs old-normal gray w/ a little bit of spotting). They just started laying eggs for the first time about a year ago-and look now what their mid-life crisis has produced! So, there were 3 eggs in the clutch this time, I could tell that only one was fertilized but had no idea they would pull it off to actually hatch it. Mom was diligent in squatting on them, and now there's a new baby.
Question - I noticed last nite when ma was feeding bb, she was feeding it seeds & i can see them in the crop - is this normal & can baby digest them? I figure they're eating seeds in the wild, so it must be ok, right? usual diet for ma&pa is Zupreem fruit pellets w/ treats of millet or seed mix - of course now, all they want to eat is the seeds...
What else can I offer to the parents to supplement their diets? They like to eat raw kale, broccoli, carrots, & dry stuff like crackers & egg biscuit treats...so they may be open to new stuff - i'm afraid that what they're feeding baby isn't pasty/ground up enough...I'll cook stuff if that's what it takes to keep the bb alive & healthy.
I'm letting them take care of it right now, while its still small, but am willing to hand feed later on if necessary...don't want to brooder box it either, as there is only 1 baby and he may get lonely & not have others to snuggle with.
any other advice is welcome & appreciated...I know there are a lot of experts out there! |
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I think Momnoah would have the most experience out of us raising teil babies. You are doing great already. I think the only addition I'd make is to scrape some cuttlebone crushed eggshells for mamma to rebuild her calcium level. I'll keep my fingers crossed that this baby will do fine with the parents. Congrats grannie! Have fun with them. |
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Congratulations on the new baby tiel! I wondered about the parents feeding the baby seeds, but my baby tiels have always done fine with seeds and pellets. They always have a cuttlebone and mineral cake as well. I gave up trying to get them to eat good things like veggies and fruits. As long as the baby seems to be fed, I would leave him/her with the parents. The first clutch my parent birds had just one baby, and I think leaving him with them was a good thing. Be prepared though, once tiels figure out how to be parents, they often keep trying to have more and more. I started with a pair and now have 15 of them. All were parent raised, except one. In that clutch she was the last hatched of six, and everyone was so much bigger that I feared she would starve, so I hand fed her, and then removed her brother a couple weeks later to keep her company. It is so interesting to watch them grow larger, day by day, and begin the get feathers and open their eyes. If you have a camera, taking pictures each day is an interesting way to document the changes. It is amazing how different they look by the time they are three weeks old! Good luck with the baby! Kathy |
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| | From: MzMarz | Sent: 11/16/2007 10:15 PM |
thanks everyone.
I've started a new Photo Album called "Sidney, Arnie & new baby". there are pix of Sid being "good daddy" and baby at 1-hour old, 10-hours old and 1-day old. Yes, documentation is a must, as everyone in my family is very *egg*cited about the baby. They do have cuttlebone and a full bowl of water. I guess I'll just keep offering them a multitude of diet choices, and see how it goes. its just a little alarming to see millet-size seeds in the tiny baby's crop (esp when you're used to seeing the mushy handfeed formula that is fed from the syringe). I've got some of that on hand, too, in case i figure out that bb isn't eating enough.
Momma & Dad seem fine with me babysitting to keep Junior warm while they do the bath, stretching, eating, exploring thing...they trust me, which is good, and I don't think they mind that I'm handling the bb. I'm using my best behavior as far as using anti-bac gel before picking up baby and washing everything well. Since they're both pets (i'm not a breeder) I'm confident that they don't see me as a threat, as they are handled a lot themselves. It gives me a warm feeling to be able to scratch & cuddle with them now that they're not constantly inside the nestbox & in Defense mode.
Yay! I can't wait to get off work & spend the wkend with my bb! I'm also glad that next week's a short one and will have a 4-day long wkend to watch the little bb. Can't wait to be able to ascertain what I think is its sex. Can't wait to give it a name & see it develop its personality! (and be able to refer to it as he or she instead of "IT"- since IT is kind of a little ugly monster right now, and "IT" seems to be an appropriate word to describe the baby right now!) |
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| | From: MzMarz | Sent: 11/16/2007 10:17 PM |
also glad to get some input before the wkend as I won't have internet at home, only at work... |
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When I bred the Gouldians, they fed seeds and the babies thrived. They look whole when you see them in the crop but they have been hulled before the parents feed the baby. I fed egg food to the parents. CeDe was the one I used but you can make it out of hard boiled eggs, using the yolks and very finely crushed cooked eggshells. Mash it well and add some dried herbs to add a bit of betacarotene for Vitamin A. Let them feed seeds or the usual veggies and all will be well. Annie |
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When I had the smaller birds Lovies and I soaked wheat bread in warm water to make it moist and added a supplement such as grating the calcium block and adding vitamins, and fed that to the parents... Not sure if this is still done with breeders now a days.... |
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| | From: momnoah | Sent: 11/18/2007 11:24 PM |
I feed mine Roudybush pellets, fresh greens, and 'rice mess' which is a mixture of cooked grains & legumes (brown rice, barley, whole wheat pasta, lentils) frozen mixed veggies (varies), and rolled oats, no mess tiel seed, powdered pellets and sometimes , diced white and/or potatoes, or whatever else I have on hand that they like. Finely chopped boiled eggs are occasionally added, but not to the whole batch as I make a big one and freeze it. I don't like freezing eggs, so I add them fresh. I feed this to all my birds every few days. Hens laying or parents with babies get it 2x a day til babies are pulled. Please let us know how babies and parents are doing. Scots, I tried the soaked wheat bread, but my tiels won't eat any food that's very wet/mushy. I make the rice mess kind of on the dry side, which is why I add the dry seed, powdered pellets and dry oatmeal after cooking the other stuff. |
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