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Tiels N Conures : : ( My tiel pair gave up on their eggs---so close to hatching!
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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatch  (Original Message)Sent: 6/29/2008 4:35 PM
There were 2 fertile eggs left in the clutch, and down to the last few days of incubation and the parents are just not interested in them. All they want to do is mate. I took the nest box out (they didn't use it anyway!) and left the eggs where they were. They were probably going to hatch this weekend, and I just feel so bad. Has anyone else had this happen??

Beth


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From: MSN Nicknameannieokie100Sent: 6/29/2008 5:21 PM
I had a similar event although mine went further than yours. I had a pair of umbrella cockatoos who decided in the first couple months I had them that my sunroom was a pretty good breeding room. I got them a nest and put it in the floor of two cages that I had bolted together. She laid two eggs. The male tossed a ball in the nest and broke one.
I never saw Angel sitting on the remaining egg but left it for several days beyond normal hatch time. Then, not knowing a thing about breeding, I opened the egg. I killed the live baby. I took it right to the vet, within minutes, and she said it was perfectly normal and if I had waited a day or so it would have hatched. I nearly died right there. 
I sold the birds to a proper breeder as soon as I could find one and had checked his references.  He said the pair never fed a single baby. He had to handfeed from day 1. He got 15 babies from that pair and eventually sold them to another breeder who knew they would have to handfeed.
I think the problem was that they were both tame pet birds who were put together and didn't know how to care for babies.
Annie
 

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 6/30/2008 12:15 AM
Thanks Annie!!! The 2 fertile ones I'll leave in for another day or 2. But so far not even a pip mark! But I did candle them and they are VERY dark inside but still glow red so I'm assuming blood is still present and they are alive. Its very hot in the room they are in, about 80 degrees so I'm hoping the babies didn't die. However, I do not think they will feed their chicks and I'm not home all day to hand feed from Day 1. I will have to wait and see. Thanks again!!

Beth

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From: MSN Nicknameannieokie100Sent: 6/30/2008 12:55 AM
Good luck, Beth. To hatch they really need higher temps than 80 but not being a breeder I can't tell you exactly. Momnoah probably can if she happens by later.
Annie

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From: MSN NicknameIamFeathersSent: 6/30/2008 1:16 AM
Annie, that just brought me to tears.  I feel for you...how sad and heartbroken and helpless you must have felt.  I have done the very same thing...only with ducks and geese. The time had past for them to hatch...they had peeping sounds....and I peeped back.  Finally thought the peeping stopped...thought I would check why they didn't hatch.and killed them by opening the egg too soon.  If I had given the proper moisture content to the incubator...left them alone except to touch and chirp...they would have hatched withen three or four days.  I was told by the biologist I worked for that eggs don't all hatch exactly according to the book.  So many things determine when it's to happen.   I didn't have the proper education and followed one book.  If anyone wants to become interested in breeding or hatching eggs.....I hope they get as much information from as many areans as possible.  There usually are more than one answer to one's question. 
You might want to invest in an incuabator for incidents like this.  With the incubator will come instructions for general hatchings....but it's best to go online and the sidebar here has sites....to get better and more instructive instructions on how to hatch them...then to the brooder....and handfeeding/raising them.  It's a great deal of work....instensive....scarey and sad when things don't work the way you intend them to....but the reward is great when they do.  I hope Erika comes on for you....she's had many clutches....not herself of course....lol. 
 
She's got a handy guy named Kit who helps her...lol...just ask her about him....he's her sidekick papa wannabe Too. 

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From: MSN NicknameIamFeathersSent: 6/30/2008 1:18 AM
That was supposed to be arena's....not areans....don't know what those are. 

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From: MSN Nicknameannieokie100Sent: 6/30/2008 3:37 AM
My fiasco happened in 1989 and I called every place listed in Bird Talk and another popular bird keepers magazine trying to find a book on breeding starting when she laid the first egg. No one had a book. One shop checked with every distributor they knew of and none of them had one either. No avian vet here at the time either.
They did go to good people who knew what they were doing.
Annie

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 7/3/2008 9:25 PM
Well against what I had hoped, Mama bird laid another egg Tuesday and one again today.  Only 3 weeks after completing her first clutch.  I'm making sure she gets plenty of calcium and food and water and keeping a close eye on her.  Caught them mating again today. 

None of the babies hatched from the first clutch. 

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From: MSN NicknameIamFeathersSent: 7/5/2008 7:40 PM
I guess that answered my question about what had happenened next.  I'm not sure if you want to go on that way...not really sure if you want them to have a nest of babies.  This is something you're going to have to think through thoroughly.  As neat as it is to watch them raise a crew....they seem like something is missing.  I couldn't say whether it's the nest box....or if that particular one was not what they wanted..or they thought inadequate perhaps.  But being newbies to the nesting game...they have a lot of learning.  It might be confusing to them...to have it out now...and if you want them to nest..you might want to put it back. 
On the otherhand...if you don't want them to nest at all...do like Annie says....take the eggs out but replace them with one's they can sit on but never hatch...like the soft wood ones.  I suppose if they sit through on this batch....you'll know for sure if they are becoming more serious about it.  Remember though....even if they do have a successfull hatch..it doesn't necessarily mean a successful raising of the babies. 
I'm glad I don't have that kind of decision to make..it's a toughie for all of you.  But it might be something you'll have to take control over...cause your birdies are going to keep mating and laying eggs as long as they are together. 
Have you considered two large side by side cages so they can interact through the bars...but not be able to do the deed? 
 
Annie...I remember when I first started rehabbing wildlife and birds.  It was a very confusing and frustrating time.  I couldn't find other rehabbers...there weren't listings like there are now..and all contacts were done by phone or mail.  When we were living in Alabama..the DNR there and a lot of people involved with animal rescue wanted me to start a rehab center and get others involved.  Sometimes I wished we'd stayed there and done that..it was at the beginning...and so many people would've enjoyed doing something like that...and learning too.  All of us needed to keep such strict records for others and for us to fall back on.  I've got books and books of records..tiny handwriting.  But I sure wish I had the people to call on with the knowledge I was lacking..for support.  Made me feel pretty lonely at times and when a youngster would die..it just seemed so tragic and unecessary.  I had a lot of second thoughts when one died...until another baby animal...or injured one showed up. 
I'm sure you would've made a great bird breeder if you had been able to get the help you needed...and the encouragment. 

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 7/5/2008 8:58 PM
Well I wasn't able to separate them b/c they were still nesting on the first batch until they started mating again. Now they are laying on the new eggs. I'm moving in the beginning of August and had planned on separating them permanently. I already purchased a double cage. My lone tiel will be on the bottom and the top cage is going to be separated like a breeder cage so they can still interact. She laid a 3rd egg this morning. I am leaving the other eggs from the first batch in there so she doesn't try to compensate for them. In the mean time, I've put oyster shells on their food and have 2 cuttlebones in there that she's tearing up. I'm also limiting their light to 5 hours a day still so that maybe they'll stop mating (b/c they're still doing the deed). If the eggs they are laying hatch, it will be close to the time I am moving, and I have contacted a breeder from my parrot society who will be more than happy to take the babies and raise them should my pair abandon them. If they take care of their babies, I will be leaving them here since I live with family right now and will be able to come over a few times a day to check in and change their food and water and clean their cage. (Luckily). Unfortunately, to prevent mating the only thing I can do right now is limit their lighting. I can't stop the fresh foods since they need to eat them.
Beth

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From: MSN NicknamemomnoahSent: 7/6/2008 1:22 AM
Hi Beth. I wouldn't limit their lighting now, while they are breeding. It also limits vitamin D that they need to metabolize the calcium they need. I would also remove the old eggs one at a time as she lays others. Believe me, you do not want them to break now! If you wish, get dummy eggs to replace those with.
Cockatiel eggs hatch between 17 and 23 days. most of mine hatch around 17 or 18 days. The latest I have ever had one hatch here is 20 days- and I may have been off a day or so as to when it was laid as I hadn't checked the box in 2-3 days. 
If your pairs' eggs were laid the 1st, 3rd, and 5th, they won't take a month to hatch. They should start to hatch the 18th or 19th, then every other day after that as they are laid.
I hope this helps.

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From: MSN NicknameIamFeathersSent: 7/6/2008 3:06 AM
Oooooh good....Erika!  
You are so darn busy Beth!  I'm so glad you have everything all figured out for each situation...so many people don't realize all there is that goes along with breeding birds.  Aren't you going to be so glad when your move is done...you're all unpacked and settled in?  Where will you be moving?  Good luck in your packing and the move...I hope everyone makes it safe and sound and you don't have any more stress than now added to you.  I hate moving.....really hate it.....had a horrible experience this last time and really feel for anyone going through the same thing. 

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 7/6/2008 3:18 AM
Thanks momnoah, I will give them their usual all day lighting back then. And I know when the eggs are due to hatch, I should have worded it differently. If they hatch they will around the time I'm about to move and will be too young to move when I actually leave this house. That's what I meant to say.

These were pet birds that were a rescue and I never planned to breed. I never even knew they were male and female until the first egg was layed. I thought they were two males. The woman I rescued them from was terminally ill with brain cancer and she had told me she'd had one for over 3 years and the other for 2.

I'm just happy I have a great group of people at my local parrot society who are willing to pitch in and take young babies if the parents don't take care of them. And of course I'm grateful to everyone here for all the advice!! : )

Iamfeathers: I am only moving a mile and a half away. I was supposed to be moving this week, but the renovations at the house aren't anywhere near being done. Thanks for the luck, I'm definitely needing it right now, LOL! I'm so sorry you had such a bad experience! This move is for the better; I will have 2 extra rooms and a lot more space for the fids to hang out and play! Not too mention the 2 dogs and 120 gallon freshwater tank we have!

Beth

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From: MSN NicknameIamFeathersSent: 7/6/2008 3:24 AM
OMG....you have a dream of mine....a huge fish tank!  I have always...always wanted one that was huge...I've got three little ones....played with the fish really....got into breeding colors of fancy guppies...I had a ball!  That was about 4 years ago...want to do it again though.  Had so many colors and combos....was really neat.  I'd love to see pics of your tank...I bet it's awesome.  Oh boy....how are you going to manage to move it....that's a huge undertaking all in itself. 

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From: MSN NicknameBethsBatchSent: 7/6/2008 4:49 AM
We just bought the tank last week. It's sitting in our storage unit until we move. My fiance and I both have 29 gallon tanks currently and we figured once we moved in together we'd get one big huge tank. So we did! I can't wait to get that set up and cycled! I have bred guppies and gold dust mollies for over 6 years now. Love it! However, Brian has a few sharks that will be going into the big tank so the normal smaller size fresh water fish are not going to happen with those bad boys! Once its up and running I will definitely share pics : )

Beth

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From: MSN NicknameIamFeathersSent: 7/11/2008 6:01 AM
Wow.....you have LOTS of tanks!  Makes me green!  lol  Maybe a day will come when I can get back into having the smaller tanks active again.  I've got them set up and running but no fish....Bob still wants to go ahead and put bait in them for now.  All fishing that guy is. 
 
How's the two wannabe parents? 

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