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From: MSN Nicknamesteelerlyn  (Original Message)Sent: 6/4/2003 4:44 AM
Big East
Boston College | Connecticut | Georgetown | Miami
Notre Dame | Pittsburgh | Providence | Rutgers
Seton Hall | St. John's | Syracuse | Villanova
Virginia Tech | West Virginia


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From: MSN NicknamesteelerlynSent: 6/5/2003 5:45 PM
So did Miami go to the wealthy ACC? 
Mami leaving is not going to ruin the Big East I think we need to think about the fallout.  Right now The Big East is a congomleration of teams.  If Pitt goes to the big ten, then the big east will start to really crumble, so who is going to hurt the most?
 
I would say UConn.  They just invested 90 million dollars in a new stadium.
 
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From: MSN NicknamesteelerlynSent: 6/6/2003 1:32 AM
ACC Targets Want Earlier Expansion Date
By DAVID DROSCHAK
AP Sports Writer

Jun 05, 2003

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- Miami, Syracuse and Boston College may want to join the Atlantic Coast Conference sooner than expected, a potential snag in the proposed expansion plans.

An ACC source, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Thursday that the Big East schools expressed interest in joining the ACC after next season instead of in 2005. Two other ACC sources confirmed the development.

The three schools might want to leave the Big East early to reduce the animosity they could face by remaining in the conference after announcing a decision to leave.

The ACC had been discussing adding the schools in two years to coincide with the end of the football TV contract. The expansion, with the powerhouse Hurricanes, is expected to bring a better TV deal.

But if the Big East schools join the ACC under the old TV agreement, the revenue would have to be split among all 12 programs, meaning less money for the nine current ACC schools.

That one-year financial hit could sour the deal for the ACC presidents, who have the final vote on the matter. The ACC needs seven of nine votes to expand.

The conference has football TV contracts with ABC, ESPN and Jefferson-Pilot Sports.

Jimmy Rayburn, executive producer for Jefferson-Pilot, which broadcasts eight football games a season, said terms of his company's contract could be changed.

"Anything is negotiable. I don't see us standing on any contractual language and saying, 'That's the way it's going to be,' because then we ruin it for the future."

Boston College athletic director Gene DeFilippo declined comment. Messages left for officials at Miami and Syracuse were not immediately returned.

The ACC voted May 16 to pursue expansion and begin discussions with the Big East schools. Visits to each campus, mandatory under ACC bylaws, were completed Wednesday.

ACC commissioner John Swofford returned to Greensboro, the home of the conference, after his visit to Syracuse and was working Thursday on a package to present to the league presidents.

Lee Fowler, athletic director at North Carolina State, was on two of the three campus visits and said he was convinced Miami, Syracuse and Boston College would improve the ACC.

"I felt very comfortable with these schools," Fowler said. "We went in thinking highly of them and came out thinking even better things."

The ACC has expanded just twice in 50 years. Georgia Tech joined the league in 1978 and Florida State was added in 1991.

 

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From: CaliEdSent: 6/6/2003 4:25 AM
  People keep talking about it, but I've not heard word one from anyone associated with the Big Ten about them adding Pitt. It would be a great fit, I think, but they are intent on staying pat.
  Cali Ed

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From: MSN NicknamesteelerlynSent: 6/13/2003 1:55 AM
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Requiem for the Big East
The conference is about to disintegrate. Will anyone miss it?
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A little sympathy, if you please, for the Big East. Depending on who's doing the sobbing, the expected defection of three of the league's schools to the Atlantic Coast Conference will be "insane," "horrible," or "the most disastrous blow to intercollegiate athletics in my lifetime," in the words of Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese. Nonetheless, it looks like Miami, Syracuse, and Boston College will soon skip town for the ACC and as yet untold millions sloshing through their new 12-team "superconference." Will college pigskin fans mourn the passing of Big East football? Hardly.

No mistake, the Big East is among the country's best basketball conferences, boasting four different national champs in the last 20 years. But its football status never lived up. Member school Notre Dame plays as an independent. Of the other 14 Big East schools, only eight (the aforementioned defectors plus West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Temple, Rutgers, and Virginia Tech) field teams at the highest level, Division I-A. Of that group, Temple stinks and Rutgers is so steeped in futility some alumni are trying to get the program effectively scrapped. Virginia Tech has risen to a consistent top-20 team, true, but through the mediocrity, Miami has been a league unto its own. The Hurricanes joined the Big East in 1991, promptly won a national title, and since have finished in the top 20 every year but 1997, including four times in the top three. Since '91, Miami has grossly outplayed the rest of the league, with seven Big East titles and a .868 conference winning percentage, while the other current Big East schools have managed just 11 top-20 finishes.

Even though Miami entered the league as a mercenary ringer, and is poised to leave as such, fans of the jilted schools moan that their beloved Big East is being pulled apart by the lure of the superconferences: namely, the Big 12 and SEC, each of which boasts at least a dozen members and hosts a lucrative championship game. If Miami and company are allowed to bolt, the thinking goes, college football will one day consist only of a few vaguely regional superconferences that steamroll tradition in favor of made-for-TV mega-matchups. Skeptics may be right about that result, but their purity argument is quaint bunk. For one thing, teams have shifted conferences for decades when priorities or economics changed. If we really want to see the conferences in their virgin states, let's return Sewanee to the SEC and the University of Chicago to the Big Ten.

Moreover, Big East fans forfeited any right to whine about superconferences the moment their league added Miami, a school 900 miles from its nearest conference rival. The Big East already is a nigh-superconference, with two divisions, 15 members, midterm-busting travel distances, and some of the most powerful schools in college sports—all it's missing is balanced football. For too long, the conference has been basking in Miami's cachet; Miami, in turn, has been glad to gorge itself on wins over Rutgers and Temple. It's a tantalizing thought that if only the Big East weaklings had beaten the 'Canes a little more often, Miami wouldn't be such a commodity and the conference wouldn't stand on the verge of being drawn and quartered.

Traditional Big East fans might be glad to see the dynasty in absentia hit the road, if not for the money part. Losing the Hurricanes not only guts the conference's national stature, it deprives it of a major TV market (Florida). But the poverty goes both ways. Last year Miami played in the national title game and still found its athletic department a reported $1.4 million in the red after sharing revenues with the rest of the Big East. That's a welfare state, not an athletic league. Conference realignment itself isn't the problem here—the high cost of running a juggernaut athletic program is, and Miami's decision to ditch the Big East is merely a symptom of a larger sickness. In fact, it's hard to see how this particular realignment is anything more nefarious than an overdue purge. The tectonic shifts across college football in the early 1990s were at least as drastic. The Big 12 coagulated, the Big Ten annexed Penn State, the ACC snared Florida State, and the Big East hung its star on Miami. In all, 27 teams changed allegiances in five years.

Let's assume the worst: Miami defects to a Roman Empire of a conference, and Big East football dominance goes with it. At least we'll be spared the underacknowledged cynicism of sacrificing smaller, academic-minded schools to the NFL farm team in Coral Gables. Why should Rutgers have to let Miami trounce it by 50 this season just to earn enough money to suit up and have Miami trounce it by 50 next season? The arrangement is crass and expensive, and probably not even in Rutgers' best interest. The point of college sports is supposedly to promote (read: advertise) the schools. Freed from their South Florida sugar daddy, the smaller Big East football schools could start over and pick on someone their own size. Maybe even work up to respectable win-loss records and, who knows, draw the attention of a neighborhood superconference.

The upper-tier conferences in any case will continue to balloon. A fortified ACC will likely trigger an arms race, with the Big Ten and Pac-10 perhaps expanding to even dozens, in a series of consolidations that could eventually outgrow the NCAA. Unfazed by the odor of hypocrisy, a depleted Big East may siphon a couple of teams off crummier conferences to form a superconference of its own. (Though with second-tier programs like Central Florida and Memphis reportedly under consideration, how super could it be?) The economics of TV deals and conference championship games made this revolution inevitable. College fans protest, often quite emotionally, but the Hurricanes' proposed exit from the Big East will be as much a financial calculation as its entrance was.




 

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From: lewdoglewisSent: 11/25/2003 2:26 PM
BIG EAST!!! Rocks!  We shall see who has the last laugh.  ACC is money hungry, non commitment, pleasure seekers!  But when Da Big East has pleasure whoopin them, then youll hear the commentators and school chairmans crying foul!  I cant wait, you dont jump ship for another Captain!  Screw em, Big East are filled with high ranked teams and this to will come into play when we hopefully meet the ACC teams!  If they even make it to the big show!  Just my opinion of course

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From: CaliEdSent: 11/26/2003 9:46 PM
 You know, given the way things have been going, the Big East won't be a bad football conference, either. Pitt and WVU are on the rise, Syracuse looks ready to rebound, Connecticut's done pretty well and seems committed to building something there, and getting Cincinnati and Louisville for football (and South Florida, was it?) won't undo the damage done, but won't leave the conference hanging, either.
 As for basketball: freakin' awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
 Cali Ed

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From: lewdoglewisSent: 2/5/2004 8:27 PM
Pitt Panthers 21-1 can you the Zoo!!!!  Young team too!  Love it!!!  Sloppy game against U-Conn and still amost pulled it out, should be 22-0 and #1 in the country It isnt pretty but they get it done.  Sound familiar?   Going deep this year I hope!

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From: lewdoglewisSent: 2/10/2004 12:06 PM
I knew I shouldve kept my big mouth shut!!  Pittsburgh 22-2 now after a loss in double OT against St. Johns.  24 turnovers!    Okay Pitt better buckle up its time to start heading for the finish line.  Show me if your a thoroughbred or just a quarter horse! 

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From: steelcurtainSent: 2/10/2004 7:43 PM
pppsssssttt, it was seton hall
 
joe
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From: lewdoglewisSent: 2/10/2004 8:25 PM
Psssssttttttttt!  Come closer!  IM POLISH!  See how shook up I am!  Thanks for bringing me out of Coma!    And next is U-Conn "oh the agony on me"!  never let em see ya sweat! 

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From: steelcurtainSent: 2/10/2004 11:51 PM
 
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