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Baptism : Why we Baptize in the Name of Jesus
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22  (Original Message)Sent: 10/7/2005 10:32 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 10/1/2002 7:01 PM
 
 
1Cor. 11:3--But I would have you know, that the HEAD (authority) of every man is Christ; and the HEAD (authority)
of Christ is God.

Now, the Catholic church usurped the authority of Jesus and told the world it was alright to by pass the word of the apostles and baptize in the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost.

This means by their authority , or headship.

But go back and look at how Paul laid out that headship.  He said Christ is the head of  EVERY MAN.  No man is under the authority, or direct headship of the Father.  That is a place only Jesus occupies.

Peter knew this.  Paul knew this.  and that is why those two men, the two head apostles, baptized in the Name of Jesus.  They knew they were NOT under the head of the Father; therefore they did not have the authority to INVOKE the name of the Father.

They stayed in the place Jesus put them into.  They stayed under the headship, or authority of Jesus.  When they baptized in the Name of Jesus, this was showing that they honoured their head as being Jesus and did not try to usurp His place as being the only one in the place to call the Power of the Father into action.

Why do you think the apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ?  Do you not ever consider those Scriptures?  Do you wonder why they did not say in the name of the Father and Holy Ghost?  do you just over look this?

You know why?  It is because the Methodist, the Baptist, the Presbytherians, the Lutherans, etc. are  ALL daughters of the whore, the Catholic whore church.  So if you still go by their teachings, you are obeying the whore.

No person other than Jesus has the right to invoke, or call into action, or power of the Father by calling His name.  That is what it means, to call their name in Baptism.  It calls their power into action to remit sins.  We can only do this by Jesus; for He is our head.

To try to call the name of the Father, is to try to come out from under the authority of Jesus and go directly to the Father for yourself.  It cannot be done.  Jesus will fight you.

We are told you can only go to the Father through Jesus; for Jesus is our  HEAD.

His name is sufficient.  If Jesus himself baptized you He would say in the Name of the Father.  He is the only one who can do it.  He was telling them in Matt. 28, that by the Authority of the Father he was telling them to Baptize.  That is all there is to it.  He was not telling the call that when they Baptized,  if he had been ,  they would have done so.

'In the name of'  means under or by the AUTHORITY of someone or thing.  So saying 'in the name of'  only means I am doing this by the authority of this one.  So all that we do, we must do in the name of, or under the authority of JESUS CHRIST...Do all you do in the name of Jesus.....this certainly includes water Baptism.

Jo



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/26/2006 4:20 PM
<NOBR>1co 15:11</NOBR> Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
<NOBR>1co 15:12</NOBR> Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
<NOBR>1co 15:13</NOBR> But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
<NOBR>1co 15:14</NOBR> And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
<NOBR>1co 15:15</NOBR> Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
<NOBR>1co 15:16</NOBR> For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
<NOBR>1co 15:17</NOBR> And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
<NOBR>1co 15:18</NOBR> Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
<NOBR>1co 15:19</NOBR> If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
<NOBR>1co 15:20</NOBR> But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
<NOBR>1co 15:21</NOBR> For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
<NOBR>1co 15:22</NOBR> For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
<NOBR>1co 15:23</NOBR> But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
<NOBR>1co 15:24</NOBR> Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
<NOBR>1co 15:25</NOBR> For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
<NOBR>1co 15:26</NOBR> The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
<NOBR>1co 15:27</NOBR> For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
<NOBR>1co 15:28</NOBR> And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
<NOBR>1co 15:29</NOBR> Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
<NOBR>1co 15:30</NOBR> And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
<NOBR>1co 15:31</NOBR> I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
<NOBR>1co 15:32</NOBR> If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.


Now I say anyone who will read the above verses with an open mind can easily see that it was not the question of the Corinthians making a mistake of baptizing for the dead.

It was a question of there being no resurrection.  that is the entire subject of what Paul is saying in these verses.

So look at it.  v12.  How say some of YOU that there is no resurrection?  See the error was in listening to the teaching that there is no resurrection.  it was not the fact that some of them were baptized for the dead.  this is not the question in this passage.

v13--IF  there be no resurrection, then Christ is not risen...

v14 and if Christ be not risen, our faith is in vain.

v15... and we are false witnesses because we testified that Christ rose from the dead.  (see it is not saying we are false for we baptized for the dead)  that is not the question here.

v16--IF  the dead rise not then Christ is  not raised.

v17--IF Christ be not raised, your faith is vain, and you are yet in your sins.

<NOBR>1co 15:18</NOBR> Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.


See His entire discourse led up to this one statement...that IF THE DEAD RISE NOT  then they which are fallen asleep in Christ  are  perished.

See, without this resurrection from the dead,  there would have been no salvation for anyone.  Not the living, and not those already asleep.

So no one obtained salvation BEFORE that resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Then he goes on to speak of how things will end up, with the son himself  being subject to God that God may be all in all,   ....then he says  ELSE  what shall they do who are baptized for the dead,  why are they doing this, being baptized for those dead if the dead will not rise anyway,  why do it?  That is what he is asking....... and why are we in jeopardy every hour IF  THE DEAD RISE NOT.  He said then just live it up, eat and party, for we will just die and stay dead anyway.  Why live for God?  why baptize for those dead saints?  They are not going to rise anyway? 

People that is what is being said here!  You have to  totally make-over this passage to say anything else!

 

Now all I can say is,  if anyone can find something in these verses which was in question,  other than the fact of being resurrected, as some taught,  then I say you are reading something OTHER THAN THESE ABOVE VERSES.

Not one word  was said here about the Corinthians being in error with this practice.  Not one word was said about this being a wrong thing to do.  They were NOT rebuked for being baptized for the dead.  They were only told that if there is no resurrection  from the dead,  then why do this?  If would have been of no value  IF  THE DEAD RISE NOT....

Then that clearly, at least to me,   shows that the very purpose for this being baptized for the dead,  was to insure that those already fallen asleep in Christ BEFORE NT Baptism was available, before NT salvation was available,   WAS  TO GIVE THEM THIS MERCY.  TO INSURE THAT THESE SLEEPING SAINTS WERE BROUGHT INTO  NT SALVATION.

To me this solidly PROVES BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT  that Baptism of is more importance than anyone could possible imagine.  It was so important and necessary to salvation, that God made a way for those saints of that day to stand in for those departed saints of the OT times. (and I suppose this is why this teaching is being blacked so much....because people seem to HATE the fact of having to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins!)

And that is why it was NOT  ESTABLISHED by two witnesses for us today.  BECAUSE  WE ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO DO THIS.

It was completed in their day.  No one can baptized for anyone who lived SINCE THEN AND REJECTED NT SALVATION.

 

I SAY ALL WHO SAY THAT BAPTISM IS NOT A NECESSARY PART OF SALVATION ARE MISSING SALVATION JUST AS SURELY AS THOSE OT SAINTS WOULD HAVE,  FOR YOU ARE REJECTING GOD'S OWN WORDS ABOUT HOW SALVATION   comes about.

I say you all would do well for yourselves to FORGET what your little church or 'scholar'  said or says,  and get into the Word for yourself,  and believe what is written and reject what is not written.

Show me one single verse stating that baptism has nothing to do with receiving salvation.  Just one.  And if it is not there,  then how do you dispute all those which says it is part of salvation?  How can you call Peter a lie?

How can you call Jesus a lie?  Paul?  Phillip?  and you have not one verse saying baptism is only a confession of an outward show, or anything of that nature, which your false teachers claim, who say baptism is not escential to salvation.

The word says  it is.

You must also call Ananias a lie, for here is what he told Paul:

<NOBR>Ac 22:11</NOBR> And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
<NOBR>Ac 22:12</NOBR> And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
<NOBR>Ac 22:13</NOBR> Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
<NOBR>Ac 22:14</NOBR> And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
<NOBR>Ac 22:15</NOBR> For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
<NOBR>Ac 22:16</NOBR> And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


See that Ananias was a devout man.  He was a Christian.  He told Paul   arise and BE BAPTIZED, AND WASH AWAY THEY SINS,  CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.

Now you must call all five of these Holy Men a lie to keep saying that baptism is not part of salvation.....the part which actually washes away, or REMITS your sins.  there is no other way mentioned in Scripture  to remit your sins.

if you say there is,  show it to me.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/16/2007 3:38 AM
The Baptismal Formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to using the titles by the Roman Catholic Church in the Second Century. The 11th edit. Vol. 3 of the Britannica Encyclo. Pg. 365 - 366 tell part of this story. Britannica Encyclo. Vol. 3 Pg. 82 tells everywhere, in the oldest sources, that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ. Cannery Encyclo. of Rel. Pg. 53 tells the early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of Trinity doctrine in the Second Century. Catholic Encyclo. Vol. 2, Pg. 263 tells Catholic's acknowledged that baptism was changed by the Catholic Church. Hastings Encyclo. of Rel. Vol. 2, Pg. 377 tells Christian baptism was administered using the words, " in the name of Jesus." Page 378 tells the use of a Trinitarian Formula of any sort was not suggested in the early church history. Page 389 tells baptism was always in the name of the Lord Jesus until the time of Justin Martyr when Triune Formula was used. New International Encyclo. Vol. 22, Pg. 477 tells the term Trinity was originated by Tertullian, a Roman Catholic Church father.  [your message]

'Triune  Formula?"

Where did that come from?  Certianly not from Scripture.  So then,  what does this mean>>.

<NOBR>Mt 28:18</NOBR> And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
<NOBR>Mt 28:19</NOBR> Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


First look at this.... all power is GIVEN UNTO ME.  Why did it have to be given to the resurrected Jesus?  Who gave it? 

  No matter what you all believe, or think of me,  these are legitimate questions, which need and have Scriptural answers.

Now, verse 19  (if the KJV is correct, and I FULLY BELIEVE IT IS).... IS THE VERY WORDS OF  JESUS CHRIST.  Agree?

So are you suggesting by the above quotes that Jesus gave his disciples a command to go baptize in some trinity formular?  Is that what you all really believe?  If so,  why would he do that?

Think?  ask questions.  Seek the answers.  Run to the ROCK OF TRUTH  FOR YOUR SOULS' SAFETY AND SALVATION.  flee man's made up doctrines.

First you all say,  this is a trinity formular, which we reject.  Then you say, no, it is really just titles, which we also reject.

some say, no it is really just offices of the one God.

So now which of these did Jesus mean?  Since he is the one who said the above verse,  what did he mean?  Why would he tell them to go baptize in a trinity formula?

And If this is not what Jesus meant,  why carry this false message? 

 Do you all really, deep down in your hearts,  believe that Jesus told them some trinity formular,  but did not really mean for them to obey it?

Why do the paid hirelings of the Jesus-only churches continually harp this lie?  that Jesus told them to baptize in a trinity formular?  I say it is because they do not have the true understanding of God's Word, and that they do not have the anointing teaching them, they have not studied and searched for the truth,  they simply follow the already-mapped out false doctrine, to get paid to scream and hollow and run the isles of some church, yet starving the sheep of God to death, with their false teachings.

Now that is strong,  but I tell you in the name of the Lord Jesus, IT IS THE PURE TRUTH.

else why do they harp this lie?  That Jesus gave us a trinity formula,  but did not intend for us to use it...and he said use titles,  but he did not mean  that either,  and he talked about  offices of the one god,  but he did not mean this either,  as the Apostles, knew,  that he did not mean it,  so they disobeyed it and used the name of the Holy Child of Mary instead.

Now that is what you are trying to give the world.!  That is what you are all teaching and believing.  that is what Jesus-only preachers are hounding to you.  

But I ask you,  what is the true answer to this?

???????????/////


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/16/2007 3:39 AM
(The last two posts,  I wrote on a Jesus-only group, to something they had going.)
 
 
Let me ask you a serious question.  Now understand that I fully agree with Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remissions of sins.  >>>.BUT. 
Do you agree with all Scripture?
 
Have you ever wondered   why  Jesus would tell the disciples to go and baptize in the name of some titles?  why?  Why would Jesus do that?  There has to be a TRUE reason and answer for Matt. 28:19,      Don't you agree?  (I mean after all,  IT IS THE WORDS OF JESUS, UNLESS YOU WISH TO CALL Matthew a false book?)
 
Where did ANY Scripture call the Father or the Holy Ghost or the son  ,  titles?  (learn to search the Scriptures for these answers, as Jesus told us to do,  instead of just accepting some man's made up answers.)  Father is not a title.  Holy Ghost is not a title.  son is not a title.
  And JESUS  is  NOT the name of the Father.  JESUS is the name of Mary's child.  JESUS is NOT the name of the Holy ghost.  I have never seen the Holy Ghost called anything except  Holy Ghost, have you?
 
That is not the answer to this.  Neither are these offices, as some folks claim  (out of ignorance)  Neither are they different manifestations of the same person.  None of this is taught in Scripture.
 
Where did this 'interpretation' of what JESUS CHIRST HIMSELF TOLD HIS DISCIPLES TO GO DO,  come from? 
 
 Matthew 28:19  is  NOT  a 'trinity' formular for baptism, as some ignorant folks claim.  It is not a formular for  baptism.  (Some body, who did not fear to add to God's Word,  made this lie up.)
 
Neither is the name, Jesus, a formular for baptism. 
 Where does the Word use this term,  'formular'?  
 This word,  'formular'  is not mentioned in the NT.  Baptism is strictly a NT act.  So why is 'formular'  not in the NT?
Matter of fact,  this word is not in the OT either.  So it is a made up doctrine.  It is not of God, for it is not once written in God's Word.
 
How long will you all hold to man-made doctrines, instead of searching the Word of God, as Jesus told us to do,  to find the TRUTH, which will set us free?
 
I did a study and wrote a message called,  Title or Name.  In doing this research of SCRIPTURE,  (all I use)  I saw that there is no such thing in Scripture as a 'title' of or for God.
So then,  this cannot be the true reason or interpretation for what our Saviour told us to do.  Agree?
 
I will give you the Scripural answer later.  Study and think on this for now.
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameAxs2-381Sent: 3/16/2007 8:34 AM
Whew!!!! Praise the Lord!!!!!!!! Some great teaching here in these posts!!!!!!!! We all most obey, these messages and be baptized in the wonderful name of Jesus for the remission of sins, Have you obeyed? If not, now is the time.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/16/2007 1:57 PM
Thank you, Axs.  I just pray it will do some good to at least one soul.  Wonder why they cannot and will see this simple truth?

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From: MSN NicknameCrownOfLife4Sent: 3/21/2007 7:08 AM
I want to ask very simple quastion.
Is water baptizm a part of salvation? Or there is not salvation with out
water baptizm?
In Him
Evenglist Eric
Pakistan

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/21/2007 3:57 PM
No salvation without obeying the Word.  Jesus said he that believeth AND IS BAPTIZED  SHALL BE SAVED.
 
Better go by what HE said.  He surely knew.

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From: MSN NicknameAxs2-381Sent: 3/21/2007 8:49 PM
He that believeth not shall be damed.
 
Baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin is a commandment.
 
Ac 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

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From: MSN NicknameAxs2-381Sent: 3/21/2007 8:57 PM
Acts 2:37- Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
Here those Jews asked the question to Peter " what must we do to be saved" , you must obey every thing that Peter said in vs. 38. We all have to come in this way. There is not other way or plan of salvaltion. 

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 Message 37 of 42 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/22/2007 2:25 AM
If God had asked you to do some great thing,  wouldn't you have done it?  But He only said go wash,  in the water,  and be CLEAN.  So why not go wash?
 
why allow the 'leperosy' of sin to stay?  Why would anyone find Baptism such a hard thing to do?
 
Why do so many resent God's chosen way of remitting their sins?  Just does not make sense to me.  Why look for another way? when God already chose out this simple way.  why not obey?  why not just go be baptized and wash away your sins,  calling on the name of the Lord?
 

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From: MSN NicknameAxs2-381Sent: 3/22/2007 6:51 AM
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
 
I have been washed, have you? If not, why not? If not, now is the time.  

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/22/2007 5:11 PM
msn is impossible to work with today.  but I wanted to move this message.  I did not realize till this morning that I have not yet placed the very needful message on any of the special boards.  I had to go way back to find it.  I will place it here for those of you who 'seem' interested in knowing what the name of God is.
 
See if you can eat some meat.  See if you can accept this proven truth, instead of accepting man's made up junk.    titles,  for god?   where?  what Scripture?  prove it.
 
I will place this here,  (that is if msn will let me,  then place it in a special board for safe keeping.  No wonder many of you have not read this.  It was  many pages back.)

From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 9/29/2003 4:56 PM
 

~~ Name or Title? ~~

There are many who mistakenly think that Jesus is the name of the Father. They think this is the name of the God of the O.T. They say that all the others words given for people to call God by are ‘just titles�?/FONT>. But, is there any Scripture to support such a teaching? I ask anyone who teaches or believes this, to find just one Scripture saying this.

I will give many Scriptures showing that God went by many different NAMES. But first I want to show you by the Strong’s Concordance, that the word ‘title�?is never used for these ‘names�?

The ONLY time the word ‘title�?is used in all of the O.T. writings is in 11kings 23:17. This refers to the tomb of the Man of God, which went down from Judah and prophesied at Bethel.

There are only two references to the word title in the N.T. This is John 19:19, 20. This refers to the title Pilate wrote over Jesus on the cross.

The word is used in the plural only two times. In Job 32: 21, 22--where it speaks against giving flattering titles unto men.

I say before people go teaching others such things, they should take the time to do some studying of the Word. If the word ‘title�?is never referred to as something God was called by, who gave men the right to bring up such a teaching? I think it very ironic that those who lift themselves up as holding only to the KJV, are the very ones who bring up teaching not spoken in the KJV.

Exodus 3:14--And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

V15--And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is MY NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Now, I ask you, did God say This is only a title of mine? No!!!! He said this is NAME. Who do you believe?

Exodus 6:3---And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the NAME of God Almighty, but by my NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Here God spoke of two more NAMES he revealed himself by: God Almighty and Jehovah. He did NOT say these are titles; he said these are my name.

Exodus 15:3---The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his NAME. (Once again, it said NAME, not title).

Exodus 34:14---For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is JEALOUS, is a jealous God.

Here he said his name is Jealous---it used a Capital letter--showing a proper name. When the adjective, jealous is used to describe him, it uses a small J.

Who are you to say God did not mean what He said? He said Jealous was his NAME, NOT A TITLE.

11Chor. 7:14--If my people, which are called by my NAME, shall humble themselves, and pray....

Here God said his people were called by His Name; so what were they called? Israel. So--Israel was God’s name. He only let Jacob go by His Name.

`Psm 68:4--Here we are told to extol God by his name JAH. It did not say his title, jah.

Psm. 83:18--That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.

See he only has the NAME OF JEHOVAH.

And one verse the Jesus only people like to distort and misuse:

Isa. 42:8---I am the LORD; that is my NAME; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

See, this says LORD is his NAME; did not say his title.

Isa. 47:4--As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy one of Israel.

Isa. 51:15--But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Two verses saying the Lord of hosts is his NAME.

Isa. 54:5---For the Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his NAME...

Isa. 57:15---For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;

This capital H in Holy makes it a proper name; not an adjective.

In another Scripture, He had told them at each place where he placed His name, he would appear to them.

Jer. 7: This and several others say that the temple at Jerusalem was called by His Name.

V10--And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name--- So what did, they call the house?

V12--But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first...

So, Shiloh was also His Name.

Jer. 14:9--..yet thou, O LORD, are in the midst of us, and we are called by thy name;---

So, what were they called? Israel.

Jer. 25:29--For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,---- this city is Jerusalem. So, Jerusalem was the NAME OF GOD.

I will give another Scripture showing this in Daniel.

18:...the city which is called by thy name...

v19---...O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

So, Israel and Jerusalem were the NAME of God.

Jer. 31:35--....The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer.. 32:18--...The Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer. 46:18---As I live, saith the KING, WHOSE NAME IS THE LORD OF HOSTS...

Jer. 48:15---.... saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Jer. 50:34--Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his NAME....

Jer. 51:19---....the LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer. 51:57-....saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Amos 4:13--For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind,..... the LORD, The God of hosts, is his NAME.

Amos 5:27---....saith the LORD, whose NAME is The God of hosts.

v8--says The LORD is his NAME.

Amos 9:6--...The LORD is his name.

Zech. 6:12---Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD.

This prophecy is clearly speaking of Jesus. It says he is a MAN whose NAME is The BRANCH. It did not say his title is the Branch.

(I thought you believed in going by the KJV). What do you do with all these Scriptures? Say they are mistranslated?

Now, I ask those of you saying this, to show one Scripture where God or Jesus ever went by even ONE TITLE.

Jo Smith

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 5/9/2007 1:55 PM
So maybe now our enemy can see some of the truth we teach here.  But I bet she does not read a word of it.  She does not want truth.  But they will all be judged by these things,  for we are the minsiters God has sent to this generation, with the same truth the Apostles brought, which was the same truth JEsus taught.
 
glory to God.  He has never left himself without a living witness.

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