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Church: Israel : False Shepherds: by Wanna
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 6/27/2007 2:59 AM
From: Wanna  (Original Message) Sent: 11/10/2002 3:42 PM
034:001 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
034:002 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
034:003 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
034:004 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
034:005 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
034:006 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
034:007 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
034:008 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
034:009 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
034:010 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
034:011 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
034:012 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
034:013 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
034:014 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
034:015 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
034:016 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
034:017 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
034:018 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
034:019 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
034:020 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
034:021 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
034:022 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
034:023 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
034:024 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
034:025 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
034:026 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
034:027 And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.
034:028 And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
034:029 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.
034:030 Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD.
034:031 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.

This is one scripture I love.   When I was in a church that was in this shape I one day read this chapter and saw my pastor very plainly described.   

 I decided I wanted Jesus to be my only Shepherd as he says here that he will be.

Wanna

 
 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/27/2007 3:03 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 11/10/2002 7:37 PM
From: isaiah  (Original Message) Sent: 4/30/2002 12:29 PM

Eze-022:022-As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you.

022:023- And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

022:024- Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.

022:025 -There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

022:026- Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Jer.-005:030-A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

005:031- The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Those who had been trusted with the spirtitul well-being of the nation were guilty of treachery against their God. The prophets had rejected God’s word and were prophesying only good things to come. The priests were governing the people by their own ideas rather than by the word of God.They made few moral standards, same as to-day, telling them it’s alright just do what you think is right for you. The thing about this the people were happy to have it that way.

The false prophets were preaching a message of false security. Instead of them warning them of a necessity of repentance they told them there was nothing to fear.

Jer.-006:014-They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.[ see they were telling them there was nothing to fear because there was going to be peace in the land. Telling them not to worry that God was a loving God and that he was not going to bring judgment on them.}

1Thess.-5:3- For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Jer.-7:3- Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. [Amend your ways -God gives another call to the people to repent of their evil ways, however as long as they believed they were secure because of the temple and it’s ritual, they saw no need to repent.]

007:004 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. { see they were trusting in these temples the same as to-day and God said they were trusting in lying words.}

Jer-7:08 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. { see they were trusting in these temples and the lying words of the prophets and priests and God said it was not going to profit them.

Jer-7:9-10-007:009- Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;

007:010- And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?

The people were committing all kinds of sins then on the Sabbath they came to the temple and stood before God deluding themselves into thinking they were secure in God’s love for them. This same sort of spirit is in our churches today when people who rebels against God and still feels secure as long as they go to these temples and are deceived by lying words. And most of the time the preachers are commiting adultery and all these other things that was spoken in vs. 9. That is the reasn that they can not preach against these things because they are doing them theirselves,

Jer-7:11- Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. { Den of robbers- robbers often used a den to hide in and to plan their next crime. What Jeremiah is saying these people were coming to the temple to offer sacrifices that they thought would hide their sins from God. At the same time they were planning to continue in their sinful ways.

Jesus quoted part of this in Math-21:12-13 where he overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seat’s of them that sold doves. {doves represents the Holy Ghost so what this is saying is that they were selling the Holy Ghost and spiritual things of God.} Jesus makes it clear that God’s house was meant to be a house of prayer . A place where God’s people could meet with him in devotion, prayer,worship, singing praises.

Jesus’s greatest concern is for holiness, santifilcation within his church. He died that it should be without spot or blemish.

The church must be a place of prayer and communion with God. Christ will condenm all who use the church, the gospel or his kingdom for personal gain, glory or self promotion. It must not be profaned by making it the means of social advancement, monetary gain, entertainment, having chicken bar-b-ques, yard sales, car washes or showmanship. Whenever God’s house is so used by wordly people, it once again becomes a den of thieves, God house is a place of worhip. More on this.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/27/2007 3:03 AM
From: joie Sent: 4/30/2002 1:55 PM

 Thank God for this indepth message.  I know that God is sending this Church world a final warning  as he sent to old Jerusalem at that time.  But, it will follow the very same route;  they are the old rebellious Israel. But their end will soon come; when they will be 'twice dead;  plucked up by the roots'.

It is the same now as it was then;  only a very few can hear the true voice of God and his call to repentance.  They have been turned to 'fables' as the apostles said they would be.

Santa Claus is a fable;  easter bunnies are fables; sunrise services are fables; x-mas is only fables; getting large number into the 'harlots houses' [churches] are fables.  They gathered by troups in the 'harlots houses'.  This is the large numbers of people gathering into these 'palaces' which God said he hates;  the 'churches'.

Hosea 10:1--Israel is an  EMPTY vine,  he bringeth forth fruit unto himself: according to the multitude of his fruit he hath increased the altars; according to the goodness of his land they have made goodly images.

See, here that  'vine' [tree] is empty;  no fruit to God;  this was symbolized by the fig tree which Jesus cursed.  He destroyed this fake Israel.

See that they made many 'images'.  The church today is so full of images, one could never count them.  The whole Word of God is  FULL, FULL,  FULL  of this!!!  If one does not see it, I think they simply do NOT  read it.

v3--For now they shall say,  We have NO KING, because we feared not the LORD;  what then should a king do to us?

See, by not fearing the LORD,  Jesus is NOT  THEIR KING;  THEY  HAVE  NO  KING.  Their  KING  was one of the 'shepherds' Jesus did away with.

The scandel raging today of the Catholic Priests who have been molesting Children for years is only showing what they were really like  ALL THEIR  YEARS.  This stuff has  ALWAYS  gone on.  They are a continuation of this rebellious priesthood of the OT.  They have always been wicked.  It is just being manifest.  Their history proves that all of them, from the Popes down were evil and wicked; they do not have any 'HOLY  SPIRIT'.

Thank you my God for bringing some of it to light.  Pray people, for more truth to be revealed about

 

all these false 'robber dens'.

Jo 

 

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From: isaiah Sent: 4/30/2002 4:47 PM

I came out of a church that has just recently has spent over $30,000 on the kitchen and that is not counting the $80,000 they spent on the sanctuary. Now tell me God get’s glory out of this when they could have gave this to the poor and needy. Instead the pastor of that church got the glory. They say well look what so and so has done. Once again let me say God is not in this stuff.

Jer.-8:7-Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD. { my people know not the judgment of the Lord- The people were ignorant of God’s law as same as today they are ignorant of the NT laws of God.

Their leaders so distorted the word of God and falsified it’s message that the people thought they could continue in sin and still be saved. We must beware of any ministers or leaders or anyone who teaches that those who continue in sin and rebellion against God will inherit the kingdom of God.

Jer.-8:12-Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD

{ I also know this to be true because I know this preacher that has been in an adulterous relationship and admitted it and still preaching and the people are listening to him and he is not ashamed of what he has done and probably is still doing and yet the people want it that way.}

The people were not at all ashamed. They had reached a stage of apostasy where they would never repent; all shame and remorse of sin was gone. Churches of today have reached this same stage of apostasy because they have rejected God’s word and his holiness and the pastor allows all kinds of sin in the church. I know of one instance where this woman was in an adulterous affair and the preacher ask her to leave when he also was in an adulterous affair himself. She left that church went right down the road to another church. The pastor of that church knew what had went on in her life and they elected her to be secretary of that church.

Several times God instructed Jeremiah not to pray for or intercede for these people.

Jer-7:16- Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jer-14:11-14- Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good.

014:012 When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence. {WHEW, I hope you people see what this is saying}

014:013 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. { see he was saying there was no peace and they were going to see the judgments of GOD.}

014:014 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.{ See these lying prophets and priests they say they are coming in the name of Jesus and he says he did not send them. Just because they come at you in the name of Jesus and it looks good don’t mean that it is right.

The people so persisted in rebellion against the Lord and were so attached to their idols as some of you are that prayer will do no good. All who continue in sin should realize that a time will come when God refuses to hear your prayers and send the punishment their sins deserve. Yes there is more


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/27/2007 3:04 AM
From: isaiah Sent: 4/30/2002 8:00 PM

In Jeremiah time when judgment came the people had to know that it was happing to them because of their many sins. They were so accustomed to doing evil that they could not change and God’s spirit was no longer dealing with them.

Jer.-13:23 asks the question- Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Jer.-14:14-16- Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

014:015 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

014:016 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them

The prophets prophesy lies- God’s people must be aware that some prophets or priests in their midst may prophesy lies and falsely claim to have a received a vision from the Lord. I am not talking about a true vision from God here as was spoken of in Joel and the book of Acts.

Mark 13:21-22- 013:021 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:{ I have had preachers tell me this is where to come boy are we having a move of God and God is pouring out his spirit over here. All the while were not lining up with the word of God.}

013:022 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. { see even these lying prophets and priests can also have signs and wonders and still not be of God.}

Believers today must be aware that within the churches today there are pastors and ministers that are of the same spirit as were these false priests and prophets in Jeriamah’s time. If anyone comes to you preaching peace and prosperity get away from them as fast as you can because certain destruction is coming.

Mat.-23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. { see these ministers will outwardly appear righteous and they will have all kind of enticing words but will have lying lips. I have seen so many of these ministers that is like that.}

Mark-7:15- Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. { see what they do they come to you acting as they are so humble and at the same time they are so full of hypocrisy and iniquity and as raving wolves.}

Is.-56:10- His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

056:011 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. {See as long as he gets his part 10% everything is alright}

056:012 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant { see the prosperity here that they are preaching as long as you pay your 10% everything is right with you and God. But stop paying it and you are on your way to hell. This concludes this study. I will only post scriptures on the next one. May the Lord Bless.

 

THERE IS A LONG SPACE SO SCROLL ON DOWN. THIS IS NOT THE END 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/27/2007 3:06 AM
From: Spiritwalker Sent: 4/30/2002 8:29 PM
Paul came not with words, but demonstrating the spirit and power.  In I Corinthians 2:5:
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Why?
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom (skill) of  [a man], but in the power (ability) of God. (v.5).
 
Being told to count his wisdom as nothing is devastating to an intellectual person--to a person who has spent any time studying.  However, God said to count your wisdom as nothing.
 
I am succeeding in counting my wisdom as nothing, and it takes time.  It takes everybody time.  We will not get out of the wilderness in a day. 
We can let God lead us out.  He can take us out step by step.
He can lead from one miracle to the next.  He led the Jewish people out of the land of Egypt.  It took 11 miracles to get them out of Egypt.  It will take many of us as least that many to get out of our wildernesses.
If you teach man's wisdom, the faith of the people will be in the wisdom of a man.  That is where our faith is today.  In the USA our faith stands in the wisdom of man.
This causes people to have confidence, or faith, in it.  However, it is not God's faith, it is your faith.  Your wisdom is a vision of your own heart.  If  ministers would  obey the call God has put on them, and demonstrate the Spirit of God, men's faith would not be in the wisdom of man.  Their faith would be in the power of God.
I Corinthians 2:3-4:
And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling (v3)
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom...(v4)
So, man's wisdom is not= the Holy Spirit.
Paul said he did not go to the people with excellency of speech or wisdom----skill.  He did not use his own skill.  Instead, he declared unto them the testimony of God.  I Cornithians 2:2:
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. (v.2)
I'm sorry, but that excludes the law.  That excludes the ten commandments.
In I Cornithians 15:1-4, Paul said that he delivered first to them the gospel.  In I Corn. 2, he says that he came preaching Christ and Him crucified.
 We need to know Jesus---the resurrected Jesus.  There are preachers in America who will hang you on the cross and leave you there.  You are there every day bleeding and dying, but you never do.  You wish you could.  We need to know that the cross is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.
And I did not learn this in a church building.
Thank you for your study today.
Love to you!
"Spiritwalker"

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/27/2007 3:07 AM
From: joie Sent: 4/30/2002 9:06 PM
PRAISE  OUR HOLY  LORD  JESUS!!!
 
Reading these messages makes it worth every minute spent doing this work.  Isaiah, once again the unity of the Spirit between your studies and mine amazes me.  You are now into the same Scriptures in Jeremiah that I have been studying in.  since I have been too busy and not well, you have taught these things first.  Although this is not the line of revelation I was on, it is from some of the same Scriptures.  This is food from Heaven.  God has sent us a mighty minister of truth.  Thank God for you.
 
Spiritwalker,  Thank God for you.  I have the utmost confidence that the Spirit of God is leading you and will continue to lead you into deeper and greater revelation.  You also are becoming a mighty teacher.  God is bringing together some labourers  to go out into the highways and bring in those who will be in the marriage of the Lamb.
 
Jo

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From: isaiah Sent: 5/1/2002 7:52 AM
Jer23:009 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the LORD, and because of the words of his holiness.
023:010 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right.
023:011 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.
023:014 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
023:015 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
023:016 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Eze.-34
034:001 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
034:002 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
034:003 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
034:004 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
034:010 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. { Read the whole chapter of 34 and you can see more of these lying prophets and priests}

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/27/2007 3:08 AM
From: isaiah Sent: 5/1/2002 8:59 AM
John10:12- But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

Now the rest of the story and the best as Jesus did with the wine.He saved the best for last.Thank God. 

Eze34:023- And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
034:024 - And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
034:025 - And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
John10:11- I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. { so we see from these scriptures that Jesus is our shepherd and he is the one that is feeding us with his word. May the Lord Bless. AMEN 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/27/2007 3:08 AM
From: tom doley Sent: 5/1/2002 2:14 PM
What is an hireling ? It is a man that takes a salary.or preaches for tithes,or takes money for preaching.

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From: joie Sent: 5/1/2002 2:28 PM
Jer.023:015 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land

Rev.
008:010 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
008:011

And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Now, compare the Scripture given in Jer. and this one in Rev. and see that this is the same event; therefore this is more proof that the judgment hitting the whore church is hitting old Jerusalem.

Great study, Isaiah.

Tom, for once I have to fully agree with your statement.  Sure, that is what heirlings are.  Taking money for doing the work of God is the mark of the beast.

JO


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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 11/10/2002 8:07 PM
Wanna, thanks very much for sharing these scriptures with us and also for reminding me of the message that I done on Lying Priests and Prophets. I was going to bring this message to the front and I had forgot about it.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameJacobus1v</NOBR> Sent: 11/10/2002 9:05 PM
Wanna: God will take care of them.
 
                          Prophecy against false teachers.
 
So the Lord says to them, your words are false, and your visions are lies. I am against you. I am about to punish your prophets who have false visions and make misleading predictions. You make misleading predictions
The prophets mislead my people by saying all is well. All is certainly not well! My people have put up a wall of loose stones (False doctrines) and there teachers have come and covered it with whitewash. Tell the teachers that their wall is going to fall down. I will send a pouring rain. Haistones will fall on it, and a strong wind blow against it. The wall will collapse, and everyone will ask you what good the withwas did.
Now this is what the Lord says: "In my anger I will send a strong wind, pouring rain, and hailstones to destroy the wall. I intend to break down the wall they whitewashed, to shatter it, and I will leave the faundation stone bare (The true Gospel of Jesus Christ) It will collapse and kill you all. Then everyone will know that I am the Lord. The seven last plaques Revelation 16.
The wall and those who covered it with whitewash will feel the force of my anger. Then I will tell you that the wall is gone and so are those who withwashed it. Those people who assured that all was well, when all was not well. The Lord has spoken
Jack,
 

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From: joie Sent: 11/11/2002 10:39 AM
Thank you Lord Jesus for this wonderful community which you have raised up!!!!  Thank you for each of these people who have lovelingly taught your pure Word here in this thread.  It is a mighty wake-up call to all who still take 'refuge' in these false 'churches'.
 
Thank you Wanna, Isaiah, Jack, Tom,  and Spiritwalker for your contribitutions to this much needed truthful message.
 
My, what a wonderful way to start the day!  Reading such truth taught without 'watering down' the pure Word of warning against false shepherds and 'dens' of the 'earth'.
 
Since I have started back going to some of these 'dens', I see more and more clearly that the people know so little of the Word of God, that they fail to even see that they are not being taught.
 
May we continue to sound out this great truth to the world.
 
Jo

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From: joie Sent: 12/12/2002 7:28 AM
I intend to bring back to the from page some good, truthful messages each time I am on now.  I ask any who love truth to help me do so.
 
Isaiah, when you have time, please take a few minutes before getting off to bring at least one good message back. Let's fill the front page with good, Scripture messages.
 
If anyone does not like this, they can go somewhere else.  We do not need the ones who hate truth anyway.
They are Satan's workers sent here to disrupt this truth teaching community.
 
I refuse to put up with it any longer.
 
Jo

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From: joie Sent: 12/12/2002 10:27 AM
Pillar dear, there is a  VAST difference in having patience with someone who is sincerely trying to learn or teach and someone who is a deceitful worker of Satan trying to block others from entering into the straight gate which leads to life eternal.
 
This I am saying has not ONE THING TO DO WITH THAT.  It has not one thing to do with caring about how one dresses or how much they have.
 
I do hope and pray some of you honest people can come to understand the difference in patiently working with those who are still babes in Christ, and fighting with devils in flesh = wolves in sheep clothing.
 
Rest assured God has raised up some in this land, and in particular in this group, who know the difference.
 
I can assure you, God does NOT WANT US TO BEAR WITH SATAN'S MINISTERS WITHOUT SLINGING THEM OUT INTO THE OPEN AND EXPOSING THEM.
 
How do you people see any virture in letting devils come in and devour the work of God?  How?  Wake up!  Most people to day are willful and knowingly working for the kingdom of Satan.  They will stop at nothing to try to devour God's little sheep.
 
Wake up!
 
Don't try to deceive me into giving up the good fight of faith.  Don't try to deceive me into petting and pampering Satan and all his little imps.
 
I WILL NOT  DO SO.
 
JO

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From: joie Sent: 12/12/2002 10:36 AM
Another thing:  many times now and in the past, Satan has slyly sent his evil workers in here to set up stupid foolish arguings over nothing, to keep their ungodly mess at the top.  This causes those who come here to read and study God's Word to have nothing except bickering and battling over foolishness to read.
 
That is all they see on the top half of the first page.  And I can assure you, that is all most people ever take the time to look at.  So what do they see when they visit here?  Junk spead everywhere.  the work of devils.  And know what?  I let myself get caught off guard many time and allow this to continue day after day.
 
I sit here wearing myself out trying to set something straight with someone who has no interest in anything except destroying the Work of God which is being done here.
 
I am fully aware of this now.  And I intend with the help of God to stop it.  As I said, anyone who does not like it,  is fully free to go elsewhere.  In fact I hope they do.
 
God will give these messages to the ones He wants to have them.  But it is up to us managers to see that some good, truthful messages stay at the top of this first page.  In fact I intend to fill up this page with good stuff and keep it that way.
 
So all you little workers of satan, be warned,  I will  DELETE YOUR MESS IF I HAVE TO TO KEEP IT OF MY FIRST PAGE.
 
So anyone who continues to bring those 'NOTHING' messages to the top, I will delete them.
 
I am in a battle for God and the souls of whose who desire eternal life.  I intend to fight a good fight as Paul did.
 
So help me God.
 
Jo


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