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| | From:  Jonbob77 (Original Message) | Sent: 5/1/2003 6:04 PM |
~A dream I had, which was very intense, and one of the most frightening. I recount it for you now faithfully- this has close links to Jeremiah's calling, as the visions and language should show.
~I saw a vision shortly after the Lord told me to take my revelation about Sept 11th to my local church. I was standing at the podium in a packed church, and the warm faces greeted me as I opened up about my testimony. Then I mentioned about my vision, and the faces became as black as coal, and I sensed an anger in their attitudes. But the Lord was with me, and I was not scared of them, and continued to recite my vision, and what the Lord had told me through scripture. "I AM WITH YOU", said the voice beside me, "PEOPLE WILL HATE YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT SOME OF THEM WILL DIE WHEN THESE THINGS DO HAPPEN, WHEN THEY SEE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN LYING".
It was rejected at the time, but I was able to tell some of them in the church anyway at separate house groups. I have met some of them since, and all they do is shake when they see me.
~The Lord continued to speak to me through visions. I was in a large field, and there was vines stretching for hundreds of yards. It was getting dark, but the Lord ushered me on, and told me to prune, uproot, or plant. I did so, and most of them needed pruning, but I can't remember planting any. It was getting darker, and the sky turned a deep red colour, like a storm was coming, so I hurried to finish them off, and as the darkness came, I saw that the ones towards the end were just withered and worthless, so I pulled them all out! And then I turned back, and I was very afraid with what I saw. Some of the vines I had pulled out had become tomb stones, and I looked down at some of the names. I cannot remember what happened next, but I know that some bones appeared in the ground, and came to life.
I took a similar vision I had to a church in Glasgow (about Jerusalem), but it was not well received. The Lord was with me though, and as at some churches before where there were political reasons for not hearing what I said, the Lord sent a fire against it, and it was burned to the ground. More and more churches are being uprooted as I continue with my witness, and will continue my visions for your own benefits.
~Again, I saw a vision, only this time it was of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of Yahweh. The Lord told me that this was for the Saints after His coming, and that this was the reward for the faithful... I managed to tell a local church minister about some of these visions I have had, and he was happy to listen, and then one day I told him that the Lord wanted me to send fire down on a church, and he didn't believe me. I told him that I was friends with the man I was speaking to, and I explained to him that the Lord wanted it done so that the people of the church would repent of their ways, but he said "let your local church suffer this rebuke!", and I said, "well then, let it be as you say". That same night I had spoken to the minister, the Lord sent fire down on his church, at the point I had told him about. I though that I would be in serious trouble, but instead, he asked me along to his housegroup months later. He clearly hasn't told anyone about this, but again, he was very scared when I tell them that they must be born again to receive Yahweh through the blood of the Lamb, and be baptized with water and then fire. Fancy, ME preaching to a minister! He avoids direct discussion now about the bible, and I was told I wasn't being helpful, after I had explained the situation in Iraq and other thing such as New York, but they are still very stiff necked, and the minister does nothing to tell them what happened that night to his own church building. The Lord have mercy on them. |
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| | | From: Isaiah· | Sent: 5/1/2003 8:48 PM |
| Robbob, thanks for this message. We see this happening everyday. If only that pastor had only listen to the vision that God had gave you for the Church and had done as Nineveh did when Jonah prophesied to them and also as Hezekiah did when Isaiah prophesied to him. What happened to that church may have been avoided. But that Is the way it is with these pastors. They don’t thank God gives anybody else anything but them. I know this preacher that tells his people that they can go no father in God than he is. To a certain extent this can be true, if you listen to him and do not study the word of God for yourself. But they are so wrong.I have seen this happening in my life. As long as I was in the church and it's system I was not getting anything from God. But once I left that church system God begin to open the Scriptures to me and also my understanding of the word of God. These pastors do not want you to come against the church and also that system. As long as you’re in the church and doing as they say then you are the best thing to ever to happen to the want nothing else to do with you. I know from experience because I have been there. As long as I was not interfering with them and coming against their system I was the best thing that had ever happened to that church. But once I came against the pastor and his adultery I was no longer wanted in that church. These men think that no one can get anything from God for them. But they are so mistaken. They say they believe in signs, miracles, wonders, and visions. But you can see they do not. If this man had listened to you and what God had gave you then maybe what happened was not have happened. But when you come against them and their system they are ready to get rid of you and they will call you a troublemaker and they no longer want you in the church. I believe the Bible speaks of this. Mt 10:17 <DIR> But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; </DIR> Joh 16:2 - <DIR> They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. </DIR> But as I said before if this man had only listen to you and what your vision was saying to that pastor and to that church who knows maybe God would have changed his mind. Do you believe that you can change the mind of God? Whether anyone believes if or not , you can change the mind of God just like the people at Nineveh did and also as Hezekiah did. To show you that they changed the mind of God and I believe that that pastor and his church can also have changed the mind God to if only he had listen to you and your vision. 2 Kings 20
1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then he turned his face to the wall, and prayed unto the LORD, saying,
3 I beseech thee, O LORD, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 And it came to pass, afore Isaiah was gone out into the middle court, that the word of the LORD came to him, saying,
5 Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the third day thou shalt go up unto the house of the LORD.
6 And I will add unto thy days fifteen years; and I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.
Jonah 3
1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
If only that man would have done as Hezekiah and turned his face to the wall and sought God as Hezekiah did who knows whether God would have let that place burn or not. Or if that man had done as Nineveh and called a fast as the King did who knows if God would have let the church burn or not? All I can say is that you warned the man and he did not take heed. | |
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Thankyou Isaiah, and I am Jonbob, not Robbob.
I awoke yesterday moring to the sound of the news, and that the ministers church is in serious finacial trouble. This is what he said to me before he said that he didn't find it 'appropriate' that I came back- about paying the bills and stuff. "Well, we all believe in Jesus, but the things you are saying will not help pay the bills!" I thought that was what you got a job for, I thought, before answering, "Woe to the man who uses the Torah (or bible) for worldy gain!"
I got this quote from the gospel of Thomas I had read days before- and it was a perfect answer. His entire denomination (national church) is loosing money fast; and HOW are they going to pay the bills without the blessing of the LORD? |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/2/2003 1:46 AM |
Dear Ronbob, I would be very much interested in hearing more about this. I would like to know exactly what your vision was and what you had told this minister and also HOW that fire was done. You see, this is exactly what I have been teaching for many years. I have tapes which I made long before coming to a computer which say the wrath of God will come upon these harlot churches and burn them to the ground. Isaiah is a personal friend of mine who has heard all my types and he can verify this. I have told them on tape that God hates all these fancy, expensive church buildings and the 'form of godliness without the power' going on in them, and that He has already called for a group of people to burn them to the ground. See, the judgment ministry which is what brings the Wrath of the Lamb on this earth, *(see my messages on the Day of the Lord)--- are the saints with the Baptism of Fire which will bring this Wrath against this fake church world. Your visions show this already starting to happen. I am excited about this, for it shows you are part of us, that judgment ministry. We are being prepared for this ministry. JO p.s. I have some extrodinary experiences with some churches also which I would like to type up when I have time and share with you. |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/2/2003 2:31 AM |
Ronbob, That vision of the pruning and uprooting of those vines is the work of the last or second witness, which is the group of believers already having the Baptism of the Holy Ghost who will receive the Baptism of Fire (see my messages on the two witnesses)---. It will be our work with the Angels at the end of time when the good are separated from the bad. See uprooting some of them is the work which will do away with the wicked. If they were withered and lifeless it shows they did not follow on with the Lord as they should have, so they withered and died. They will be uprooted leaving them neither root nor branch. by the power of FIRE we will know which ones to do that to. The pruning is showing them the real truth and cutting away the things they are not suppossed to keep. Are you familar with this judgment ministry teaching? |
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Isaiah/JO;
I am inviting you both to be my assistant managers at my group. The Lord has spoken to me about you, and I am glad to offer you this. Take time time to go through my group and read the articles. You are both very welcome, if you have the time. It would also be good for the members to interact more, it has been too quiet! I will leave that part of it to you. Blessings of the Most High,
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/3/2003 4:53 AM |
 why Ronbob, That is so very thoughful and sweet of you. Thank you very much for your invitation and confidence in us. I will be most honoured to come there and help out any way I can. I may not have as much time as I would like to, for this community takes up so much of my time. But I am very interested in your dreams and visions. You are the first person Isaiah and I have found which seems to be into this same kind of ministry. I must find the place and look at it. Isaiah, that was a very true and God sent revelation of the meaning of the vision. God has given you the right understanding. The thing God said to us last night as we prayed on the buddy thing is being fulfilled. God is so good to us. Praise His Holy Name. We need to pray much for this community. Satan is really fighting it lately. We need to reach many people with the truth of God's Word. God bless you both. Jo |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/3/2003 4:54 AM |
why Jonbob, (now I am getting it right, Jonbob; not Ronbob) That is so very thoughful and sweet of you. Thank you very much for your invitation and confidence in us. I will be most honoured to come there and help out any way I can. I may not have as much time as I would like to, for this community takes up so much of my time. But I am very interested in your dreams and visions. You are the first person Isaiah and I have found which seems to be into this same kind of ministry. I must find the place and look at it. Isaiah, that was a very true and God sent revelation of the meaning of the vision. God has given you the right understanding. The thing God said to us last night as we prayed on the buddy thing is being fulfilled. God is so good to us. Praise His Holy Name. We need to pray much for this community. Satan is really fighting it lately. We need to reach many people with the truth of God's Word. God bless you both. Jo |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/5/2003 4:44 AM |
People, pray for this group. Our 'imposter' is at work again. Someone other than Isaiah or me deleted his message here. No one of our managers did this. Again someone is 'posing' as a manager and deleting things they have no right to be doing. Lord Jesus, I pray and ask you to remove this person from our community forever. May this person repent of their wrong doing. I ask you to remove them from us. You said ask and you shall receive; so I am asking right now that you will cause this evil person to go away and stay away from us. This is your work, your word going forth from here; so let your will be done here. I ask in Jesus Holy name. Jo Smith |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/5/2003 4:05 PM |
| G ood morning to you. Good morning to you. Good morning, God bless you. Good morning to you. | | | Let's all be in much prayer for our States which have been hit by the killer tornadoes. Let's pray for those hurt and who have lost their homes and businesses. let's pray for our own safety and the safety of others. Lord Jesus I seek your hlep for those who have been hurt in any manner. I ask for your protection for all of us as the storms are still moving about. Send your angels to surround us and protect us. We trust you our Saviour. We love you our God. Jo Smith | |
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So please let me get this straight you people judge churches then burn them down and call this God? I have to ask |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 9/19/2004 6:34 PM |
Hello jober.... And welcome to Bottf. We are very glad you have joined us here..........Now...... No, you are NOT getting it STRAIGHT..........so please TRY to do so. No once did either one of us say we judge churches; not once did either of us say WE burned any church to the ground. If you are ever going to get ANYTHING straight, you must learn NOT to insert words from your own mind which were not said. That is how lies came about--- from people CHANGING God's word and inserting their own. Now do you wish to GET THIS STRAIGHT? If so, we will be more than glad to EXPLAIN. Jo, manager |
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You are most correct, you did not say that you burned down churches
you said
" I have told them on tape that God hates all these fancy, expensive church buildings and the ' form of godliness without the power' going on in them, and that He has already called for a group of people to burn them to the ground"
Also if I might add, I have not changed any of Gods word in any of my replies, it was your word that I did not get straight.
(which is why I responded, for clarification)
God knows my heart and he knows I will never ever lie on him nor change HIS word!!!
however this point you made quite clear I do agree with you on wholeheartedly.
"That is how lies came about--- from people CHANGING God's word and inserting their own."
so please feel free to clarify your self,
Thank you,
Jodi
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Date: 09/19/04 12:35:04
Subject: Re: Gardener In Heaven
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Hello jober....
And welcome to Bottf. We are very glad you have joined us here..........Now......
No, you are NOT getting it STRAIGHT..........so please TRY to do so.
No once did either one of us say we judge churches; not once did either of us say WE burned any church to the ground.
If you are ever going to get ANYTHING straight, you must learn NOT to insert words from your own mind which were not said.
That is how lies came about--- from people CHANGING God's word and inserting their own.
Now do you wish to GET THIS STRAIGHT?
If so, we will be more than glad to EXPLAIN.
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