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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 11/28/2008 1:15 AM

~~ On The Thunders ~~

In Revelation 10, an angel comes down to earth/sea, and has the Book open in his hand. Jesus goes up and takes the book out of the angel’s hand and eats it up. In this, Jesus was given the entire Word of God. He was then told that he would prophesy again, before the entire world. He does this through his Witnesses. It is not us who speak, but Jesus who is speaking in us. As He gives us the words of that book, we then speak it out to the world.

Re 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, Re 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. Re 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

When this angel cried, or uttered his message, seven thunders uttered their voices. Thunder is the voice of God. He gives this Word to the Witnesses and they speak his words in this earth. This is when the ‘lightening and thunder�?sound. It always announces some major event of God. See that these thunders were sealed up when they were first spoken out by this angel.

But the message of each of these thunders is fully revealed in Scripture. Do you think those thunders go forever unknown? Of course not. It is totally due to a lack of study and seeking truth which has caused these mysteries to go uncovered this long. If those thunders were SEALED up, then they were in those SEALS. When the SEALS were opened, then those thunders were also made known. If seven thunders were SEALED up, then they were in those SEVEN SEALS.

The First Thunder

Re 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter. Re 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Re 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. Re 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Re 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

As I have already taught in other messages, that open door was Jesus. This Door was opened when He was baptized and he saw the heavens OPENED to him. This is when it was revealed to Jesus who he was, what his mission was, and when he was given the little Book to eat. God fed His Word to Jesus, for Jesus then to feed it to the world. This is when Jesus actually took the little Book out of the angels hand and ate it up. He then prophesied before the world, through his own preaching and his witnesses, after his ascension to Heaven.

Notice that at the time of this open door, which happened when Jesus was baptized, He was immediately IN THE SPIRIT. He saw the throne set in heaven and the one sitting on that throne, which was a vision of himself, after God had set Jesus on the throne of God, in heaven. See that was the fulfillment of this: Re 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Re 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

(Here is solid proof that God gave to Jesus a revelation of who and what Jesus was and was to do. See also the proof that then Jesus revealed it to his servants. He is still revealing it to his servants today. This message alone is proof. God gave it to Jesus for Jesus to give it to his servants.)

So, in this vision, or being in the Spirit, after his baptism, Jesus was given a REVELATION OF JESUS. He was given the Word of God and it was revealed to Jesus that Jesus was this mighty Son of God, who was to be set upon that throne of God, in heaven. He then saw visions of all the saints of God, who would come into the kingdom of God, through Jesus himself. He is the one who births us into the kingdom, or family of God. From him proceeded this great sea of glass, or crystal, which is the same as the four beasts, or living creatures. We are the children of Jesus, whom He brought in, after his death, resurrection, ministry and ascension to heaven. Out of this throne came forth these LIGHTNINGS, VOICES AND THUNDERS. They always come together, and from the throne of God.

So under this first thunder, Jesus was given or fed, the entire Word of God and prepared for his great ministry and sacrificial death, resurrection and ascension to heaven, to then sit on that throne of God, as our Lord God. Notice these seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God, were given to Jesus. He had the seven spirits of God. So, under this first thunder, Jesus was fully equipped and prepared for his ministry. It did not take place in a moment. It was an on-going work of God.

Then we see that next, all the saints of God are described. They are these living creatures and this sea of crystal. They were all brought in through this ministry of Jesus, which proceeds from this first thunder, lightning and voices. These voices are his ministers, which he sent out to preach this word. The lightning is the work of angels, in the spirit world, as they bring the Word/power, to the people of the kingdom of Christ.

Re 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

This Book is actually the entire life of Jesus Christ. In the VOLUME of the Book, it is written of ME to do thy will, Oh God. Jesus took this book, out of the hand of the angel, and lived it, and was the only one who could open it up to this world. He took this book, of his life, and had it in his own right hand, or power. It was Jesus himself, who was written within, (in his own soul), and on the backside, or his resurrection, and sealed up with these seven seals. It was his own life, which was opened up, or that open door. After Jesus sat on that throne in heaven, he had this book of his own life, in his hands, opened up for the entire world to read and see and to find eternal life, through him. Glory! How I pray that everyone who reads this will accept and be given the understanding of this glorious truth.Re 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

See that it said that Jesus TOOK THE BOOK. This is the same book he took out of the hand of that angel, in chapter 10, and ate it up. He accepted the entire, bitter cup, which God gave him to drink. He drunk it. He ate it up. He died on that cross. It was indeed bitter to his belly! He then ascended to heaven and sat on that throne of God, to bring us to God. He redeemed us to God by his own blood, from all nations. It was opened to this entire world, not just Jews. After he �?I>took this book�?/I>, the peoples of the world, then began to worship HIM, and sing the new song. It is the New Covenant in his blood, GRACE.

The Second Thunder:

Who opened those seals? Re 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

The LAMB is the one who took and ate up that little Book. So He is the one who has the power and the understanding to give it to others. So it was that Lamb of God, who opened those seals. Within those seals is the message of those seven thunders. See that when the Lamb opened that first seal, I heard as it were the noise of THUNDER, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. So here, the voice of God called upon us to come and see, or understand these things. (So, one of the beasts was speaking this message of the thunder, or the Voice of God.)

I am first going to show you where those seven thunders are, in Scripture. Then I will go back and show you the message of each of those thunders. This is God showing it; not I. I most certainly could not do such a thing unless God first gives it to me. The THUNDER sounds within my soul. This second thunder announces all of the events which happen under those seven seals. Everything which takes place under these seals, is the message of that first thunder, for indeed, it all takes place during the first thunder. One does not sound, then stop, and another one sounds. They are all going on under that first thunder, just as everything goes on in Genesis one, under that first day. The second thunder sounded, and those seven seals were then opened up. After Jesus took the little Book and ate it up, then he could open all of these things up.

Notice that it said, when he opened one of the seals, it was one of the four BEASTS which spoke as the noise of thunder. So this is the working of the Apostles, as they sounded out the true message of God, given to them, by Jesus Christ. Their VOICES is the sounding of this THUNDER. It is still going on, as the true Witnesses of our day, sound out this same message, or thunder. It is the same voices, lightning and thunder.

All of the events which are part of these seven seals are part of this second thunder’s message. The third Thunder does not sound until Rev. 8:1. So all of the seven seals open up under this second thunder, which is taking place under the first thunder. The first thunder actually opened up the second thunder.

I am not planning on trying to teach the seven seals here in this message, unless God changes the direction of this. Right now I want to just give an over-view of those seven thunders. Later, the seal messages should be placed with this and studied together. But I do want to say this much on the seals. Under that first seal, Jesus is shown as he takes over this world and conquers it. The white horse is his righteous power. He is crowned after he ascended to heaven and God pronounced him to be our Lord God. Then he begins bringing this world under subjection to his Holy rule. It is still going on.

I also want to say this about the sixth seal. These things do not happen in a sequence of events, as some man’s novel. They are all continually happening. So under the sixth seal, it shows the time of the crucifixion of Jesus. It was at this time that the sun became black or darkened to this world. It was when the SUN went down over the prophets, and closed out the OT. As the moon represents both the law and the outer man or human body, we see that the moon turned to blood. Now this took place in the Mount of Olives, as Jesus prayed until his sweat became as GREAT DROPS OF BLOOD, falling on the ground. Remember that Jesus is living under the old law at this time!

Lu 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Jacob understood these symbols as representing the human family, as he interpreted Joseph’s dream. Shall you father, mother and brothers bow to you? It was the sun, moon and stars, in the dream. So remember this as we study these things.

Under this sixth seal, a mighty earthquake took place. The earthquake shows great fear for some mighty happening. This was concerning the crucifixion of Jesus and the results to that old covenant world. Under this seal or time of his death, that old covenant fell, as the veil was rent into. Those ‘stars�?of the old testament now fell to this earth. It was finished. They fell AS FIGS from a fig tree, when SHE is shaken of a MIGHTY WIND. This is showing the fall of the OT stars, on the Day of Pentecost. The coming of the Holy Ghost is this mighty wind, shaking that old nation of Law and dropping their ‘figs�?off that tree. It was those ‘stars�?falling. That old covenant in now no longer the place to find God, or the gate into his holy city.

The heaven, which was the people of God, under that old covenant, departed as a scroll when it is rolled together, for that old covenant was now smitten. All the mountains and islands were moved out of their places as the change from the OT to the NT took place. These mountains/islands, is those nations of the OT. They now fell, as the NT Ministers took their place as the mountain of God. Next, the people of the earth sought refuge from the coming wrath of the Lamb, either in the dens, (churches), or the mountain of God, the true Apostolic Church. They asked them to cover them from the coming wrath. This is showing all the converts to Christ, coming in all down through the time of Grace. So now it is down to the time of the Trumpets, or the wrath of the lamb. All of this began in the day of Jesus and his apostles, and ends up down at the end of this age.

Now in chapter seven of Revelation, we see the entire grace age displayed. This will run its full course before that third thunder sounds. This chapter begins with the sealing of the saints of God. These are the people of God who receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, which is the seal. There is not a certain ‘number�?of folks in this group, as is commonly believed and taught. The words, an hundred and forty and four thousand does NOT MEAN A NUMBER. This is where the majority of people totally miss the truth of God’s word. They take such words as ‘one�? ‘two�? ‘three�? ‘twelve�? ‘ten�? ‘seven�? etc. to mean a certain amount, or number. It is not referring to ‘how many�?of anything, at all. It is totally spiritual in meaning. So is this an hundred and forty and four thousand. Also, being of the tribes of Israel does not mean the natural descendants of Abraham, but rather the spiritual seed, which is the true Christians, or Christ.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/28/2008 1:16 AM
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So the angels who had been sent to hurt the earth, were told to wait until all of God’s servants were sealed. That is still going on! It has not finished yet. It began on the Day of Pentecost and is still going on. Until the very last person who will be sealed is sealed, this will continue. How foolish the doctrines of men are! They try to set this to only a small amount of people, and to fit it all into the last seven years of the church. Foolishness, foolishness!

After the first fruits of this outpouring were sealed, then they brought in the great number from all nations, as they spread the gospel to the entire earth. It is still going on. They came out of great tribulation, because the people of God have always had tribulation. Read how the early Christians were persecuted and tortured and killed, if you doubt this! Be not ignorant, but come to understand the TRUTH. Their white robes shows they are filled with righteousness!

Well, it seems I can’t help but get into these seals. It seems impossible to teach on the thunders without getting into the seals also. Probably will have to get into the trumpets, also, as all of this connects together.

The Third Thunder:

Re 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. Re 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. Re 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. Re 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. Re 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

The thunders are always accompanied with the VOICES, LIGHTNINGS AND EARTHQUAKES. These always go together. Neither one is the NATURAL events, out in the natural weather. This is totally spiritual language. Each of these are fully explained in Scripture. If you would take the time to study these things, you could easily come to understand them. The VOICES are the Witnesses as they preach/teach the Word of God, which is given out in the THUNDER.

Now we see that seven angels were equipped with trumpets with which to bring the wrath of the Lamb on this earth. But just as the angels which were told to hurt the earth and sea were told to wait until God sealed his saints with the Holy Ghost, so now, these angels wait until another great movement of God is accomplished. And just what is that? It is something which I had never seen here before, until last night, as I could not sleep and God began to reveal this to me. I rose up at 1:00am and began reading this. I saw this:

Verse five is the outpouring of the Baptism of fire! Yes, that is what is happening here. God revealed it. Re 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

See it is the same as with the angels before the seal was given. They wait until God performs this matter of equipping someone for the next move of God, which is to pour out the wrath of the Lamb! In order to do that, they must receive the Baptism of Fire. The Fire spirit from God is for destruction. The Holy Ghost spirit is to save men. But now that the time of saving them is over, as shown by the SILENCE in Heaven, it is now time to bring the wrath upon all who have rejected the Grace salvation of God. So see then that the angel took the censer and filled it with FIRE of the altar, and cast it into the earth. THEN there were VOICES, THUNDERINGS AND LIGHTNINGS AND AN EARTHQUAKE.

This shows that another great fearful move of God has begun. The Earthquake shows their fear. This shows God shaking the world. It is not natural earthquakes. It is spiritual earthquakes. God said, I will not only shake the earth, but heaven and earth. Everything which cannot be shaken shall remain. So these ‘earthquakes�?try this world. It is the storms descending upon your ‘house�?which you built. The thundering is the mighty voice of God, as he sends out the witnesses with this spirit of Fire. Their voices will bring this wrath of the Lamb upon this world. The lightnings are the illumination which comes with this message from God. The angels are at work in the spirit world as all of this is happening. They bring the lightning.

The trumpets then begin to sound. Under each message or speaking from God, a judgment is poured out upon this earth. This is fulfilling Psalm 149, as the saints of God pour out the wrath. The hail is their words, which God said he had reserved unto this day of wrath. They are speaking these plagues into existence. Notice that they are working with FIRE all through these trumpets. Notice also, that it is with the third part of everything. If you read chapter eleven you will see this ministry explained more fully. It is those witnesses of God, with this baptism of fire, speaking FIRE out of their mouths, bringing these judgments. Fire proceeded out of their mouths, or those doing this speaking of these messages, and devoured their enemies. This honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

The old covenant, law, that group of idol worshippers, and the present whorish church are one and the same. They are the ones who reject and mock the wonderful things of God. But there comes a time when God is finished dealing with them, and then he sends destruction upon them. He turned from that old law nation to the NT Christian Church. That ‘tormented�?them and set off the evil murders of God’s saints. But see that God said to them: Isa 65:11 But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Isa 65:12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. Isa 65:13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: Isa 65:14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

Now see that the above is speaking the same thing as this thunder? It is showing how God became tired of these people rejecting the things He offered them, in order to serve their idols. So he sent his sword and slaughtered them. This ‘sword�?was spoken out of the mouth of his witnesses, even as I am now saying. This will go to someone and speak destruction to them. It happens all the time, and is not recognized by the world. But God’s Holy Word is always happening and being fulfilled.

See that he said, My servants shall EAT, but ye shall be HUNGRY. It is not speaking about natural food or hunger. It is speaking of being filled with the Words of Jesus or life. As we are given an abundance of revelation and glory, those who refuse are starved, spiritually. We drink, (his blood), but they are thirsty. We rejoice, but they are ashamed to rejoice in God. As we sing for joy, they cry for sorrow and howl for vexation of spirit.

But notice the rest of this: Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

See that God spoke here about slaying them and calling his servants by ANOTHER NAME. He did not mean he killed their body. He killed their spiritual part, for they had rejected HIM. So he now calls his servants CHRISTIANS, by the name of Jesus Christ. We no longer go by the name of ISRAEL OR JACOB. We go by the name of Jesus Christ.

He slew them from being his people.

As I explained in my message on the locusts, under the fifth trumpet, this is the ministry of these empowered Saints of God, as they bring the wrath of the Lamb. This ministry includes both men and women. They are fulfilling Joel 2 and Isaiah 13 and 33. It is the Day of the Lord. These are the people who obeyed the command of God to COME OUT OF HER, my people. We came out of that bottomless pit, into the kingdom of Christ. The smoke of the prayers of saints were offered up to God. Now we will bring about the blood, smoke and fire. It is the signs of this outpouring of the Baptism of fire. See that they hurt only the ones who have refused the seal of God, or the Holy Ghost. The people with the seal of God in their foreheads are safe from these plagues.

After this time is past, these same witnesses, now move into the next phase of their ministry and begin to destroy all who have refused to live for God, who refused the Holy Ghost. This is the second woe. All of this is still under that third thunder, which is also under that first thunder. It continues till the end. The tenth chapter of Revelation, is going back to telling about when Jesus came and took the book and ate it. The eleventh chapter is telling in detail, about the ministry of these witnesses with the baptism of fire.

Notice that these are the two candlesticks which stand before the God of the earth. They are explained in Zech 4. It is these two anointed churches of God, those with Peter, and those here at the end, who receive the Fire Baptism. We both engage in these ministries. That first church performed these things on that fallen OT group. We will perform these plagues on the fallen church of the Laodicians. It is the bottomless pit. The smoke of her torment will ascend up forever. This has been going on all the time. As each age of Christians live and die, they perform these ministries. It is not a one-time event. It is in motion all the time.

As those first witnesses, Peter, Paul, and the others of that day, finished their ministry, that old beast, which ascended out of that whore-pit, rose up and killed them. They then ‘lay�?dead in that old sinful ‘Jerusalem�? It has been going on since the Day of Pentecost. It even went on in the OT, as that evil whore killed all the prophets of God. It was not their literal, human bodies which lay out there dead. These things are fully spiritual. The Word of God is spiritual, not natural. It may speak about some natural things, but the speech itself is spiritual and must be spiritually discerned. So it is the ministry of these saints which lays dead. It happens through all the ages as Satan destroys the saints of God. He that was born after the flesh persecutes those born after the Spirit. That is what this is all about. They are this beast which ascends out of that bottomless pit. It is those who hold to a carnal mind, filled with all malice and hatred of God and his people.

Down through the dark ages, as those saints witnessed against that evil fake church, and thus tormented them. The wicked ones then rose up and killed them. Then they lay ‘dead�?in those old ‘streets�? Those people rejoiced over them and sent gifts to each other, at X-mess, celebrating the death of these ‘TWO Witnesses�? It has been going on all the time. This thing dates back thousands of years. It began with the murder of Abel. Jesus told us this.

See, as we speak the powerful TRUTH, as FIRE comes out of our mouths, speaking TRUTH, it actually TORMENTS those who love that old bottomless pit. Then they seek to destroy us in any way they can. They fight us on the internet. They do all kinds of evil against us, because we have that two-edged sword coming out of our mouths. We speak FIRE into their midst and it burns them. They then seek to kill us. After each age of ministers finish their ministry, they are then killed by that evil beast, from the pit.

But don’t make the mistake of thinking none of this has happened, yet. It has been going on since Cain killed Abel. It happened to Paul, Peter, James, John, Jesus. And so on. It will never stop until Jesus returns and stops all this violence off this earth. Hasten the Day, Lord God! Herod was part of that old beast who rose up out of that bottomless pit and he was killing the men of God. As they finished their testimony, that old beast killed them. It started with Stephen.

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This is about all that I can post in one message, so I will now post it to our board. I am not finished with this message, so hope to do some more on it tomorrow. But since it is about as long now as they will let me post at one time, I will go ahead and post this, just in case someone passes by and wants to read this.

I may possibly make some changes. But right now, this first part looks finished to me.

I cannot finish this tonight. Must get some rest. Besides, I need to study on those other thunders before I write any more. Written Nov. 25, 2008

Good night.

Jo Smith

 


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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 12/9/2008 7:20 PM
Just got this one printed out,

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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 12/13/2008 3:16 PM
Great message.

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