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Skyangel, you seem to be saying now, that you think that Jesus was always God. Yet you claim NOT to believe the Jesus-only doctrine, or the trinity doctrine. Are you saying that the baby, born to Mary, was God, when she held him in her arms? He was THE ETERNAL GOD, WHO FILLS HEAVEN AND EARTH?????? So would you please explain to me how you do believe about this? Do you believe that Jesus is a different 'god' from the Father? You are now saying that Jesus is the Father. Are you saying that he is his own father? or that God himself, left heaven, came down to earth, and then put the eternal God inside the womb of Mary, into her human egg, and then God, the eternal God, changed, and became a man? (REMEMBER, he changes not) Or a part God/man being? I have heard all kinds of ridiculous things, trying to prove that some God left heaven and became a human man. But not one of them holds up to the search light of Written Scripture. Do you not believe that all truth, about God, must be written in Scripture and proven with Scripture? If not, by what? I truly want to know how you do see this and teach it. Your words are seeming to go into many different paths, and weave in and out, so that I do not know what you are trying to say is your 'version' of God/Jesus. Jo |
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I understand and teach SCRIPTURE. a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. The apostles never said, yes and no, to a question. Jesus never taught such. You accuse me much more than I do you. so you are God? You can judge me and falsly accuse me, not be able to give Scripture answers, and still claim it is the mind of Christ? I say bull crapt. You dodge my questions, because they PROVE that you do not have the truth. anyone can say, yes and no, to any question they are asked, and try to hide the fact that they do not know. When you have the truth, you can answer positively, giving Scripture answers, without adding to it, taking away from it and changing it, as you do. You are only deceiving your own self, and thus blinding your self and standing in your own way of ever being able to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH. anyone who thinks that Mary had a baby 'god' is too blinded to see anything. when Jesus said, I do always the things which please my FATHER, that was his own human mind/spirit speaking. According to you and the rest of the world's deceived 'religious folks' he had no mind of his own. Therefore, he was not like unto his brethren, thus calling God a lie. That, dear lady, is where you are! In full darkness and delusions. |
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So, again, I ask you---- did a god leave heaven, put himself into a woman's womb, mix himself with her egg, and both together, God and human egg, and become another being? and if so, did that god still exist in heaven? if so, then you think that only a 'part' of that god, came down and got into Mary? Now answer this, not with a yes and no. that is lies. either it is yes, or it is no. it cannot be both. Now, do not run off into the wild blue yonder, dodging this question. Answer it, and nothing else. So you see that the woman's egg, produced a 'dead' or lifeless, human shell body.....and the god spirit jumped into the lifeless body shell, and put his life to it and together they became god on earth? is that how you see this? it is really what everyone teaches, ----in the false 'god-incarnate' lie. |
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.....and don't forget...if this really happened, then GOD CHANGED. he either became human, or he became a , as the false church teaches, a god/man....who is both god and man, mixed together. If you think this is true, tell me, where is it in Scripture? How can men today, teach such a thing, when Jesus did not, and the apostles did not. and the prophets did not prophecy it. When you say this is what happened, you are accusing God of CHANGING, which you claim he did not change. so again, which is it? yes/no? This cannot be answer with yes, and no. either this happened or it did not. |
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sKYANgel, my question is the most intelligent question to ask anyone who believes the LIE that Mary gave birth to a god. Mary did not give birth to any god. He child was totally and completely a HUMAN BEING. the human mind is not the carnal mind. this is one of the places where you are in total darkness. a simple human mind, out working to make a living, taking care of their family, eating and sleeping, IS NOT THE CARNAL MIND. We still do these things AFTER BECOMING SPIRITUAL MINDED.......DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU STILL COOK, EAT, SLEEP, PLAY WITH GRANDCHILDRES? IS THIS BEING OF A CARNAL MIND? NO, OF COURSE NOT. wE can certainly do these things and still be spiritual minded. God made Adam with a human mind. He did not make him with a carnal mind. Adam was NOT GOD, but he was in a glorified body, to begin with. He was made like Jesus was resurrected to. Adam went from glorification, to mortality and corruption. Corruption is speaking of the fact that the human body decays after death. The mind which picks up trying to serve God by LAW, IS THE CARNAL MIND. This is the enemity. The word solidly decares that Jesus nailed the ENEMITY to his cross and took it out of the way. He did away with the law. This is not speaking of the laws of God, which is his every word. it speaks of trying to serve God by law. God has never accepted it and never will accept it. Just because the holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, and put a child into her womb, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE HOLY GHOST ACTUALLY MINGLED HIS SELF WITH HER EGG AND BECAME PHYSICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY PART OF THAT CHILD. The entire world believes that Jesus born without a human mind/spirit, but only with the Spirit of God, for his own thinking. That is a LIE AND DECEPTION. It is only because you are too carnal minded to see the intelligence of my question, that you answered with such ignorance. You yourself have declared that Jesus did not have a human mind, but that his own life was the spirit of God, so do not come now, saying that this is a stupid question. You are too mixed up to see the need, importance and intelligence of this question.. BUT UNTIL YOU LEARN THE RIGHT ANSWER, YOU WILL FOREVER WALK AROUND IN SELF-DECEPTION. When Jesus said, at age, 12, I must be about my Father's business, that was not God speaking about God. it was a human boy speaking the fact that he already knew God as his Father, not his daddy. his Father. not his daddy. God is my Father, But David was my daddy. Jesus lived on earth as a human being and died on the cross as a human being. He was resurrected as a glorified human being. Anything else is lies. He did not 'CHANGE' and turn into God, as you try to say, that I am saying. You are the one who simply cannot understand. Jesus was MADE TO BE OUR GOD, BY THE DECREE OF GOD. Jesus never one time said, I am God. The deciples did not make that statement. Only deceived folks say that. No human being is a god, no matter how much they twist the Word of God and try to make themselves be gods. You are greatly deceived with this lie. |
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| For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. | |
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| #23 Mary gave birth to a baby. That baby was a fulfillment of prophecy. That baby was the WORD MADE FLESH. That baby was the evidence of FAITH. That baby was and is always will be the physical reality of TRUTH
| Me: why don't you give Scripture for what you say? It is because there is none. So if you teach things which are not written in Scripture, you are teaching the lies of Satan. That is what the above is. lies. No Scripture teaches that the baby born to Mary was the Word made flesh. It/he was a human baby. No spirit of God, in any form, enterened into Mary's womb, into her human egg, and grew as part of a child. It is lies of Satan. You already admited that we do not eat that human flesh of that baby. yet now you turn around and say that baby was the word made flesh. You have no revelation from God. You only repeat the lies you have already heard from other false teachers. No Scripture tells that God would send the world a god or a part god/man. show it to me, if there is. God said I will raise them up a PROPHET, LIKE UNTO MOSES. Was Moses part god? God made Moses a god to Pharoah. This shows that God can make a man to be 'god' if he pleases to. It is the first witness of this, proving that God made Jesus to be our God. But he is still a HUMAN MAN. when you say the only way he did not sin, is because he was god, that is lies of Satan, and takes away all the true glory of Jesus. You would do well to stop fighting God and study the Scriptures. Seek for the baptism of the Holy Ghost. stop fighting the gift of tongues. You say no man speaks in tongues, only God does. Yet the Word does not say that God speaks in tongues. Paul said, I speak in tongues.....more ...than you all. So was Paul lying? |
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| And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. |
| And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. |
| And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept. |
| And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. |
HER MIND. was that a carnal mind? course not. It was HER OWN HUMAN MIND. | These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. |
They received the word with their OWN MIND. this was not a carnal mind, nor was it is the mind of God. It was their OWN MIND. tHIS mind, of the people, themselves, was able to receive the Word of God, for their own human mind was NOT CARNAL OR EVIL. | And when they were come to him, he said unto them, Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons, | | Serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews |
This was Paul's own HUMAN MIND, not the spirit of God or a carnal mind. His own mind was serving God, not carnal. | Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. |
The above was just natural minded people. Not carnal, not gods. They changed their own human mind about Paul. still not carnal, still not spiritual. just a human mind, seeing something they did not realize before. | And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; |
In the above, those people at first only had a natural human mind. but since they did not like keeping God in their own mind, God finally gave them OVER to a REPROBATE mind. Now they do have a carnal and wicked mind. but not to start with. | But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. |
In the above Paul shows that a person has a mind of their own, neither of Satan, nor or God. But there was something waring against their own mind, bringing them into captivity to that LAW of sin and death, which is the LAW THAT gOD DID AWAY WITH. | I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin |
hE Shows here that he served God with his own mind. this is the human mind, not the mind of God or of satan. | And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. |
We can and should RENEW OUR OWN MIND by the study of the Word of God. YOUR MIND, means the human mind in a person. It is not God's mind, nor Satan's mind, It is our own human mind or spirit. Jesus Christ also had a human mind of his own, which was not the spirit or mind of God. It was his mind. A new born baby has a mind of their very own. It is not God's mind and it is not carnal, and it is not of satan. It is a human mind, which is not corrupt, for the baby is innocent. Do you deny this? if so, upon what grounds? | One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. |
If a man does not have a mind of his very own, how could he be persuaded in HIS OWN MIND? yOU DO GREATLY ERR, NOT KNOWING THE WORD OF GOD. | For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. |
that speaks about the human MIND of a Christian, but it is his very own human mind. God does not force one to give. It comes from the person's own willingness. | And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind: |
Again, the above shows the Christian still has his very OWN MIND. and he can be ready to do a thing. It is neither God's mind, nor a carnal mind. | For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many. |
again, this proves they had a mind of their OWN, and it was not carnal, nor was it God's mind. It was their own human mind. this next one is a good one, proving that the human mind was at once not corrupted, but could be corrupted by false teachings. so be very careful what you believe and teach. | But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. |
all of these....and you never heard of a human mind, which was neither carnal, nor God's mind in the person? do you ever read the Word of God? certainly seems to me that you do not. and this is not all, but it is certainly MORE THAN ENOUGH to prove that we have a human mind of our very own. Jesus did also, else he was not a man. |
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