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(this may be in another thread, but I am posting some of these things here for review. we can never get too much study in on this important subject.)

John 14: 10. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

(now the fact that the Father was in Jesus does not say that the Father was not elsewhere. See, by Jesus saying, I GO to my father shows that the Father was elsewhere. The Spirit of the Father was in Jesus, but the Father himself was in Heaven. Same way His spirit is in me now, but do you think that means He himself is not still in Heaven? You need to think about this.

John 17: 8. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

( who sent Jesus?)

John 5: 19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23. That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

(now there is your answer to the thing you poked at me about - that if you have the Father you also have the Son -- they are in such unity and faithfulness to each other, they will not let you have one and deny the other. Read------)

John 17: 1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

(Now brother, you better read that and quit listening to false teachings. This is Jesus' own words saying that ETERNAL LIFE IT TO KNOW THEE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD {HE IS SPEAKING TO HIS FATHER HERE} AND CALLING HIM, THE FATHER, THE ONLY TRUE GOD- -

AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THE FATHER SENT)

To deny this is to call Jesus and the Word a LIE. Now if you fear not to call Jesus a lie, and set carnal minded mens' words above Jesus' words, you just go to it; but I WILL NOT DO THIS. I believe what Jesus said.

Now see if you can deal with this. It is not Strongs. It is God's Word.

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Sent: 5/21/2003 2:19 PM

He was not like his brethern in every way. Not every man was conceived by the Holy Ghost. Who but God can forgive sin? No other man has the fullness of the godhead bodily. I am also pleased that you see that we are not speaking of two different individuals here. (aposm.)

Heb 2:17- Wherefore in all things (or in every way) it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

There was also others conceived by the Holy Ghost.

Luke 1:15- For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

As for forgiving sin-

John20:23- Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained

Mat 6:12 -And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors

6:14- For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 18:21-Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mark 11:25-And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses

Luke 17:3 -Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

17:4-And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him

Acts 7:59-And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

7:60 -And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep

James 5:19-Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

5:20- Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

From: joie

Sent: 5/21/2003 11:45 PM

Apostolicminister, I tried several days ago to join your group. I have not heard from you accepting me. Maybe you cannot send me the acceptance since I did not let my address show. If this is the case, please let me know. If I am not welcome there, please let me know.

If I need to resubmit the application, please let me know.

Now You have said you do not believe the baby Jesus was God. You also said the man Jesus who died on the cross was not God. So how then do you say he is the only one? How can you say he was God? You have denied He was God.

Which is it? Either He was God or He was not. Which do you believe?

How bout where John said The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world? 1John 4: 14.

12. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

15. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1John 5: 5. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Now all of the verse say to confess that Jesus is the SON OF GOD -- I have never found one verse which tell me to confess or believe that Jesus is God.

If you can show me that then I will concede to your teaching.

I am not speaking of where Thomas called the risen Christ My Lord and my God. That is personal. God set Jesus as our personal God. I know you do not understand this right now, but if you open your heart up, God can show you.

From: joie

Sent: 5/21/2003 11:53 PM

Satan has deceived most people with this lie that they need to know Hebrew and Greek to understand God's Word. That is a big lie.

Did you realize that the KJV is an exact TRANSLATION, by people moved on and led by God, people who knew both languages, into our English?

Now if they have already TRANSLATED it, what need do I have to try to RE-TRANSLATE IT? It is sheer foolishness.

I let God show me in Scripture what another Scripture or word means. Those English words have a spiritual meaning not evident in any dictionary, not even Strong's.

These same words in Hebrew or Greek carry the same English meaning they did in the original, BUT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WORDS HAD THE SAME SPIRITUAL MEANING THE ENGLISH WORDS MEAN SPIRITUALLY.!

This is a great secret. That is what is meant by No Scriptrue is of any PRIVATE interpretation --- it means every word, every Scripture in the Word has ANOTHER SCRIPTURE OR VERSE WHICH EXPLAINS IT.

No Scripture can be understood without another Scripture. If you try to isolate one verse or word, or statement and intrepret it yourself, you are wrong. You must find the meaning somewhere else in the Word.

While you spent your time studying another language, because you did not think God could teach you straight from His Word ~~~~~~~ I was spending my time studying the WORD.

That is why God himself teaches me -- I took the time to study HIS WORD. I LOVE IT.

From: joie

Sent: 5/25/2003 11:31 PM

The Father was speaking, the Son was standing, the Spirit was decending. What 'bout that....One God.

How was he decending down from heaven as a bird, = a dove,

Perhaps you think He had wings?

and lighting upon himself, and then speaking from heaven while he stands in water upon earth?

huh?

And you see that all as Jesus?

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.(apos. min)

I did this one a while ago; a very good one ; a lot of work into it; then lost it. made me just sick. But anyways I will try to reconstruct this.

Your words:

What about the 'ONE' God? Now I ask you, how many do you suppose Paul was speaking of when he said, "You are ALL ONE?".

Figure it!

Did God have 'wings'? Well let the Word of God tell you~~~~

(do you believe the Word?)

Psm. 91: 4. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler (how bout that? not only wings, but feathers)

Psm. 68: 13. Though ye have lien among the pots, yet shall ye be as the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold

Psm. 63: 7. Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice

Psm. 61: 4. I will abide in thy tabernacle for ever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah.

Psalms 57

1. Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.

Psm. 36: 7. How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psm. 17: 8. Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Now is that enough Scripture? There is more, but I think that is sufficient.

There is not even one single Scripture saying that Jesus is the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost. You are just twisting Scripture to say this.

You will never see any real truth until you get upon the right foundation. Every revelation in the whole word depends upon this true revelation of who Jesus really is.

Peter had the true foundation. When Jesus asked Peter, Who do you say that I am. Peter spoke prophecy to the Christ; He said, thou art the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

He never said you are God. Jesue verified that this was a true revelation to Peter, not from flesh and blood, but from his Father in Heaven.

Your Jesus only doctrine makes all of Jesus' own words seem foolish. He said, My Father is greater than I.

He said, not my will, but YOURS BE DONE.

He said I came not to do my will but the will of my Father. I do always the things which please my Father. ( and you want to do away with that?)

You want to call him a lie - you want to say, Oh yes, Jesus I know you did do your own will; for you are the only one.

Now you are the silly one.

Another thing, I asked you to begin with to do only one point at a time, USING THE KJV SCRIPTURES. BUT YOU CANNOT DO THAT. You are 'fillibustering'. to hide the fact that you cannot deal with Word.

I have posted scripture after scripture proving God is not Jesus and you just ignore it. I am not going to sift through miles of pasted, in tiny print, stuff from Strongs or any other man-made stuff.

I have answered some of your points, then you just ignore it and re-do the same ones. So have it your way.

But you cannot deal with the true Word.

Still haven't seen you deal with this. Now your little 'sneer' was answered in the affirmative

from the Word of God, but you have just ignored it. Why?

From: joie

Sent: 5/25/2003 11:34 PM

Where is any answer to this one: You obviously cannot teach; you only copy and paste stuff from some other man's work, which most of the time has no sense at all to it. Just 'fillibustering'.

Now see if you can deal with this. It is not Strongs. It is God's Word.

I see you still have nothing to answer to this pure Word of God, proving exact opposite of what you say.

From: joie

Sent: 7/10/2003 10:06 PM

Even thought there is a lot of conflict in this thread, there is still a lot of pure truth taught here which people need to get.

I will send back as many good threads as I find on this subject of Baptism. This is of utmost importance; for contrary to most church teachings today, The right baptism is absolutely NECESSARY TO YOUR SALVATION.

You can listen to this world's false teachers and miss God if you choose. But you will be without any excuse if you have read much in this truth teaching community.

Deny the right way of Baptism and you will be lost. That is God's Word; not mine.

This is more important than my teaching you deep secrets from the Word. For if you knew all the mysteries and STILL REFUSED WATER BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS, AND REFUSED THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST AS IN ACTS 2, WITH THE EVIDENCE OF THE HOLY GHOST SPEAKING THROUGH YOU IN THE UNKNOWN TONGUE,

THEN YOU WILL STILL BE LOST.

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