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 Message 1 of 8 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 11/22/2006 12:36 AM
From: Isaiah  (Original Message) Sent: 5/17/2004 3:00 PM
This is a very long but wonderful message that Joie had on tape and I have spent many hours taking it from tape to put in print. Joie also had many hours in doing the tape, please don't let our labor be in vain. Study this great message out and print it out and give bible studies on this. As we have stated before you are welcome to use our messages any way that you see fit. These messages are for all. Also we ask you not to change any thing that would change the meaning of something that we have said. Now for the message. This is very long and I will have to it in several posts.

Jesus In Job

Book of Job

Chapter 1

1:1- There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

1:2 -And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.

1:3 -His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east. ( From this we can see that Job was a rich man for their day.)

1:6- Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.( This is a scene in heaven where God had a day set for his sons to come before him to present themselves to him. Now let me ask why was Satan there? Because Satan is the spirit of Adam. There are a lot of scriptures that backs this up. But we will have to do that in another study.)

1:7 -And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

1:8 -And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

1:9 -Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

1:10-Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

1:11 -But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. ( This is actually a war you might say between God and Satan. So God gave him permission and he went and takes everything that Job had. Now you know how it went on, how a messenger came and told Job about the things that were happening. That everything has been taken and had been destroyed. Even his sons and daughters that were having a birthday party. It said in vs. 4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.( Everyone his day meant their birthday )

1:13- And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:

1:14 -And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:

1:15 -And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

1:16 -While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

1:17 -While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

1:18 -While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:

1:19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Now when Job heard this-

1:20 -Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,

1:21--And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

1:22 -In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. (This lets us know that when we have trials and tribulations and things are going against us we still should hold fast a love of God and not falsely accuse God.)

2:1- Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, ( See this was a different time when the sons of God came. This looks like that this was just a thing for God and his sons.)“and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.�?( Now let’s look at this and what it said. “There was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.�?Now that verse sounds conclusive that Satan was one of the sons of God, and if he was it has to be Adam. That is why he has the power that he has and that is why nothing has stopped him yet because God had invested that in him in the beginning.)

2:2-And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

2:3 -And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

2:4 -And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

2:5 - But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

2:6 - And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.

2:7 - So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.( That is when Job went into such anguish and when his wife told him to curse God and die.)

2:8- And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes.

2:9- Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. ( Then he told her that you speak as a foolish woman)

2:10- But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Now enter Job’s 3 friends to comfort him and that is what they came to do.

2:11- Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him.

2:12- And when they lifted up their eyes afar off, and knew him not, they lifted up their voice, and wept; and they rent every one his mantle, and sprinkled dust upon their heads toward heaven.

2:13 - So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spake a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great.

3:1 - After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.( Which was his birthday)

You would just have to read the third chapter of Job for yourself because this is going to be a very long message. But if you will read this third chapter you will see where he blotted his birthday out of existence and this is showing the birthday of Jesus which can be only February 30th

Now that we have given you an outline, we are not going to do all the chapters because it would be too long. So you will have to do some reading for yourself. There is also a message that will explain the birthday of Jesus.

Now as we go into chapter 4 Satan is trying to make Jesus fear because of his mortality. So we will start with 4: 17

4:17 -Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?

4:18 -Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:

4:19 -How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?

4:20 -They are destroyed from morning to evening: they perish for ever without any regarding it. 

4:21 -Doth not their excellency which is in them go away? they die, even without wisdom.

I hope you to see what is happening here. Once you get the anointing and the understanding you can see this. This is the voice speaking through Eliphaz the Temanite. This is showing what went on in the spirit world further down the road between Jesus and Satan. At some point of time Satan probably in those 40 days and nights when he was tempting Jesus or it could have been some other time because that is not the only time that he came and bothered Jesus.

But in some point of time, we have got to realize that this is prophecy so it was fulfilled. That Satan came and tried to torment Jesus with fear and taunting him because you see the word teaches that angles are a higher form of life than mortal man. So now Satan knows that Jesus is down here in flesh as mortal man he tries to make him be afraid. By telling him that “you are in just a house of clay,�?“you are nothing but dust now.�?�?You’re going to die,�?“You’re going to perish,�?�?You’re not going to come out of there�?“You’re not going to come out of the grave.�?�?Nobody comes out of the grave.�?See up until that point of time there was no resurrection from the grave into immortality had taken place. But you see that is what Satan used to try and make Jesus fear and be a downcast because he was here in a body of flesh.




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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 12:37 AM

(Part 2)

From: Isaiah Sent: 5/17/2004 3:06 PM

Now let’s go into chapter 5

5:18- For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole.

5:19 -He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee.( As these three men began to talk they also began to prophesy about Jesus even though they don’t mean to. They actually get off into prophesying to Jesus and telling him of his blessing. They swing back and forth in accusing and they swing back and forth into pronouncing blessings on Jesus. So right here that spirit speaking through Eli-p-haz

has switched from accusing Jesus to actually prophesying good for him.

5:20- In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword.

5:21- Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh.

5:22 - At destruction and famine thou shalt laugh: neither shalt thou be afraid of the beasts of the earth

Now he is prophesying to Jesus and also to the Christians down here at the end of time. The beast of the earth are the representations of the people of Satan.

5:23- For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.

5:24-And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin.

This is talking about the church of God will be in peace. He is actually telling Jesus and the Christians that they are not going to sin. This is talking about the New Testament. This is the habitation that he was talking about. This New Testament.

5:25- Thou shalt know also that thy seed shall be great, and thine offspring as the grass of the earth.

Here he is talking about the witnesses of Jesus. This is also prophecy of the kingdom at rest.

Chapter 8 of Job shows us Satan’s people against Christians. This is where the Christians�?suffer.

8:20 - Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers:

8:21- Till he fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing.

8:22- They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to nought ( This is a prophecy that Bildad the Shuhite gave of Jesus.)

Now if you will go on and read where they said slanderous things to Job and then turn around and prophesy, it really in a way becomes a hilarious book and confusing. But yet you can see how they were causing Job to become agitated at them because he was hurting and suffering.

In chapter 9 versus 16 he is prophesying about the state of the modern-day church.

9:16- If I had called, and he had answered me; yet would I not believe that he had hearkened unto my voice.

( This is Job talking here�? He said that if I had called, and he has answered me; yet I would not believe him that he had hearkened unto my voice. People this is a condition of the modern-day church. In the seven churches the people have no real genuine faith. Oh, they say they believe in God but they don’t really believe. If they pray for something and it happens, they will say I wonder if that was really God. I wonder if that was really an answer to my prayer. So that is the stage that he is speaking of the modern-day church.

9:29- If I be wicked, why then labour I in vain?

9:30 - If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;

9:31 - Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me.

9:32 - For he is not a man, as I am, ( speaking about God ) that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.( In other words he was saying that I wish I could talk to God and could present my case to him and I will just show him that I am righteous and he should not be doing this to me. That was Job’s personal attitude to this.

9:33 - Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.( Now he was speaking about in the Old Testament that they did not have the blesseth mediator Jesus. They did not have the Holy Ghost. Now we have this blesseth mediator that is our proprietor and our mediator between man and God. Now that is what Job was saying. If I had a daysman, if I had a mediator that was go-between me and God, he would be able to straighten things out between me and God. See he said I don’t have a daysman. In the Old Testament they did not have that.)

9:34 -Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me:

9:35- Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me. ( See he said that it God would take this away from me, I could talk to him and I would not fear him.)

10:9- Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay;( This in Jesus talking to God) and wilt thou bring me into dust again? ( Here he is saying to God, now you have taken me from my glory in heaven and put me down hear in a body of clay. Are you going to kill me and let me rot and go back to dust again? Is that what is going to happen to me?)

10:10- Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese?

10:11- Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews ( Now once again this is Jesus speaking to God through the prophecy saying now you have made me like these fleshly men are you going to let me die and go back to the dust? He was afraid. He was actually going through all these horrible times. Job was going to a terrible time in his mind but Jesus. It shows In the book of Job that Jesus was going through a worse time. Jesus went through agony that no one knew anything about. There are things in the book of Job if it does not rend your heart the agonizing that Jesus went through as we get into some of the books of Job. One of the chapters in the latter part of Job were gone really came against him there at the crucifixion. If it doesn’t break your heart you have got to have a hard heart.

Okay, Chapter 11 starting at vs. 5- This is a very horrible accusation that Satan hurled at us and Jesus also. It continues to show that how Satan quotes the scriptures and talks of God to deceive. Remember how in the book of Psalms Satan was quoting strictures to Jesus and said he has given the Angels charge over you unless at any time you dash your foot against the stone. So just throw yourself down from this high Temple and just see if God will do that. See that Is what Satan is saying. He pretended that he was God by quoting the Scriptures to try to confuse and he does this through the whole book of Job. See he keeps talking about the Scripture but in doing so he still tries to stumble Jesus.

11:5- But oh that God would speak, and open his lips against thee; ( Here he is saying, I just wish that God would testify against you and show you how wicked you are.

11:6 - And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is! Know therefore that God exacteth of thee less than thine iniquity deserveth. ( These man were telling Job and that is what Job was hearing. His friend were telling him that he was suffering from the iniquity that you deserve but it is not half of what you ought to suffer. That upsets Job terribly in his own fleshly mind and yet in the process that is what Satan was saying to Jesus. Oh, you have not suffered half of what you going to suffer, all through the lot of Jesus Satan was coming to him and tempting him trying to terrific him. Trying to get Jesus upset. People do not realize this but that Is actually what went on in the life of Jesus. That is why unless you see in the books of prophecy you will never know the true Jesus, you will never really see what Jesus have to go through here on this earth.

Now chapter 12 starting with vs five.

12:5 - He that is ready to slip with his feet is as a lamp despised in the thought of him that is at ease.( In other words he said that a person that is ready to die, a person that is going through a lot of trouble he is ready to slip. Somebody that is still at ease and not going through the trouble they set back and despise that be all yall are mocking me and scorning me and I thought you came here to comfort me but all that I have been hearing his accusations. This is Job talking.

12:6 - The tabernacles of robbers prosper, and they that provoke God are secure; into whose hand God bringeth abundantly.( Now you need to see this. It is picked up here all this one thing where the Scripture brings out and in the book of Psalms and a lot of other places that really, really bothered Jesus up until a point in time of how the wicked prospered. This thing really bothered Jesus in his fleshy mind. Why are these wicked people being so blessed? So that is what is coming in to view right there.

12:7 - But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:

12:8- Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.

12:9- Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?

12:10- In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. ( Now just think of the people that scorn God and talk against God and yet the scripture shows that in his hand is our very breath.

Now verse 20

12:20- He removeth away the speech of the trusty, and taketh away the understanding of the aged.( In other words people that were old and has been wise, well-to-do people and people of the business world and they need people to sat with them. Because they are senile and with Alzheimer’s disease and don’t even know their own name. There are people that have to sat with bankers, school teachers, and from all walks of life. There are some that cannot even count to 10 that were bankers, school teachers etc. That is what happens when people live their life without God, he took away their understanding.

12:21- He poureth contempt upon princes, and weakeneth the strength of the mighty.( In other words onetime they had been rulers on this earth, one time they had been strong but when God was finish with them and their course had been run and they are still not serving God he takes that away from them.

12:22- He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.

12:23- He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them: he enlargeth the nations, and straiteneth them again.

( In other words like America, he has brought us up to be a large nation but the time is soon coming he will straighten it to make It hard and narrow. Bringing it down to weakness again. Because they don’t serve God.

12:24- He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way. ( In other words all the rulers, Kings and Presidents, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way. Just look at Ronald Reagan right now. He was a good President, but look at him now. He has Alzheimer’s, he does not even know his own son. Heabout God is wandering in a wilderness where there is no way, yet at onetime he was our President and our leader.

12:25- They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man. ( So that is what happens when nations don’t serve God, they turn away from God and walk in pride like King Nebuchadnezzar. He stripped Nebuchadnezzar and let him walk out there in the fields for seven years living like an animal till he acknowledged that everything that he had came from the living God.

Now let us go into chapter 13.Here it is showing Jesus being baffled about God forsaking him and the sins of the world being laid upon him and he is baffled why God has turned away from him like he had. Now remember when Job is speaking he is testifying about Jesus.

13:20- Only do not two things unto me: then will I not hide myself from thee.

13:21- Withdraw thine hand far from me; and let not thy dread make me afraid.( In other words he is speaking on this persecution that has come upon him. Job was saying take this away from me and Jesus was saying, Lord if it is your will take this cup from me. Jesus had foreseen that he would go into a hell of fire. There is one of the things that he was really fearing so much as well as the death that he was going to have to suffer on the cross. He was dreading to have to go into hell.

13:22- Then call thou, and I will answer: or let me speak, and answer thou me.( Here he is saying you talk to me or either I will talk to you but let’s get this over with. We need to get this over with.)

13:23- How many are mine iniquities and sins? make me to know my transgression and my sin.( now we have Job speaking to his friends, but it is Jesus saying this to God. Why are you afflicting me? Now remember in Isaiah chapter 53, he said that we did esteem him stricken and smitten of God. God did that to Jesus. He said how many of my sins and my iniquities? See Jesus looked at his own personal life and knew that he had not sinned. Job also was looking at his life and was saying I know I have lived a good life. Make me to know my transgression and my sin.

13:24- Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and holdest me for thine enemy?( See he said that God forsook Jesus, why have you forsaken me?)

13:25- Wilt thou break a leaf driven to and fro? and wilt thou pursue the dry stubble? ( Here he is saying I am just dried up here, why are you pursuing me?)

13:26- For thou writest bitter things against me, and makest me to possess the iniquities of my youth.( In other words the sins of the whole world.)

13:27-Thou puttest my feet also in the stocks, and lookest narrowly unto all my paths; thou settest a print upon the heels of my feet.

13:28- And he, as a rotten thing, consumeth, as a garment that is moth eaten.( In other words that is where Job saw himself and also where Jesus saw himself.)

Now let’s go into chapter 14:20- Thou prevailest for ever against him, and he passeth: thou changest his countenance, and sendest him away.( Ok, this is speaking of the wicked men, that God changeth their countenance, in other words that is what they look like. He takes them out of this body of the flesh and puts them into another countenance. See we do not know what a soul looks like outside of the body. Remember where he was hurled out of his house his body. Well this is what this is talking about. The wicked man God prevailed against him for ever.

14:21- His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them.( See he died. He changed his countenance and sent him away. His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, , but he perceiveth it not. In other words if his sons become great he does not know it and if they are made low and pitiful he does not know that either.)

14:22- But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.( In other words at the time of death.

See the Old Testament people was that they could not be clean. Regardless of how much they offered the sheep and the blood of goats and all of those things, they were still never really cleansed for their sins. In these things come out in the speech here in Job. Remember now that Job is talking about up to the time of Jesus.



 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 12:38 AM

 (Part 3)

From: Isaiah Sent: 5/17/2004 3:15 PM

 

In chapter 15 it is Jesus telling about how God afflicted him like in Isaiah chapter 15.

In chapter 15 you will see that it shows about the Pharisees and the priest in the day of Jesus. Satan using them to ridicule Jesus and to accuse him. You will have to read some of this yourself.

15:20 - The wicked man travaileth with pain all his days, and the number of years is hidden to the oppressor.

15:21 - A dreadful sound is in his ears: in prosperity the destroyer shall come upon him. ( In other words when the wicked prosper the destroyer shall come upon him.)

15:22- He believeth not that he shall return out of darkness, and he is waited for of the sword.( now here they are prophesying hear the state of the wicked person even though he is prospering but yet they are trying to make Jesus afraid by hurling this at him. The false priests and Pharisees were hurling all this at Jesus. These men were hurling this at Job but yet prophesying about the condition of the wicked people that is on earth and what is going to happen to them.

15:23- He wandereth abroad for bread, saying, Where is it? he knoweth that the day of darkness is ready at his hand. ( In other words they are coming down to the time of death and they know they do not know God. They know that they have lived a wicked life even though they were rich and had prospered. They tried to find the bread of heaven. They wandered abroad, in other words they go to the Baptist Church, they go to the Methodist Church , they go to the Presbyterian Church, they go to the Catholic Church looking for that bread but they don’t find it because those people don’t have it. So he did not find It.

15:24- Trouble and anguish shall make him afraid; they shall prevail against him, as a king ready to the battle.

15:25 - For he stretcheth out his hand against God, and strengtheneth himself against the Almighty. ( see what he was going strong and prospering, oh, he was so against God, he was really against God but when it came down to the shadow of death staring him in the face he tried to find the bread but he really couldn’t. God already turned his back away from him and you can never get to God once he has turned his back to you and cut you off. Don’t let people tell you that you can come to your death bed and repent and then get saved no matter what. It is just not true. I don’t say that it is never possible but in most cases it is just not true.

15:26 - He runneth upon him, even on his neck, upon the thick bosses of his bucklers: All the step is going to collapse

15:27- Because he covereth his face with his fatness, and maketh collops of fat on his flanks. ( Fatness means his riches. And maketh collops of fat on his flanks, speaking of him being so rich and prosper.

15:28- And he dwelleth in desolate cities, and in houses which no man inhabiteth, which are ready to become heaps. ( in other words he may be in a great big old house, or a very big prosperous town but that thing is fixing to collapse but he cannot see that far down the road. All this is going to collapse. Atlanta, Ga., San Francisco California, Washington D.C. Any town that you want to name, New York City, someday they will be a desolate heap.

15:29- He shall not be rich, neither shall his substance continue, neither shall he prolong the perfection thereof upon the earth.( You see no matter how rich he is, no matter how much he has it is not going to continue. So don’t put your hope and trust in that people. You cannot trust in these riches. If you’re prospering right now in your business, do not let it go to your head and get high and haughty and lifted up. Humble yourself before God, don’t let this happen to you. Share with the others that are in need. Share your good fortune with others that are not as fortunate as you are.

15:30- He shall not depart out of darkness; the flame shall dry up his branches, and by the breath of his mouth shall he go away.

15:31- Let not him that is deceived trust in vanity: for vanity shall be his recompence.

15 :32- It shall be accomplished before his time, and his branch shall not be green ( In other words he could have lived a lot longer if he had trusted in God. His branch shall not be green, in other words the life of it will die.)

15:33- He shall shake off his unripe grape as the vine, and shall cast off his flower as the olive.( in other words he got old and dried up and his riches departed and he died.)

15:34- For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.

15:35 - They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit.

Now that was Eliphaz prophesying and telling what would happen to the wicked people. But Job hears it and thinks he is talking about him. So he is really upset about it.

16:1- Then Job answered and said,

16:2 - I have heard many such things: miserable comforters are ye all.

16:3- Shall vain words have an end? or what emboldeneth thee that thou answerest?

16:4- I also could speak as ye do: if your soul were in my soul's stead, I could heap up words against you, and shake mine head at you.

16:5- But I would strengthen you with my mouth, and the moving of my lips should asswage your grief.

16:6--- Though I speak, my grief is not asswaged: and though I forbear, what am I eased

Here Job is saying if you were in my stead instead of your stead, I could say such things but I wouldn’t. I was strengthened you with my words and my mouth and comfort you. That is what Jesus did, he said in the book of Psalms that when these people were his enemies that their words were like smooth oil and spoke against him he said that when they were sick I acted like they were my mother, or my brother, I fasted and prayed for them. But he said oh look how yall are hurting me in my time and trouble. See when trouble came on Jesus everybody forsook him and he had nowhere to turn. Nobody to turn to. His kin, his friends forsook him even God forsook Jesus. Jesus went there all alone.

Psm. 55: 21- His mouth was smooth as butter, But his heart was war: His words were softer than oil, Yet were they drawn swords.

16:7 - But now he hath made me weary: thou hast made desolate all my company.( His own friends and his own family had gotten away from Job because this is showing what happened to Jesus. That all of his friends they went away from him.

Now Job goes back talking to God

16:8- And thou hast filled me with wrinkles, which is a witness against me: .( In other words he had come down to the time of his death) and my leanness rising up in me beareth witness to my face

16:9- He teareth me in his wrath, who hateth me; ( In other words the enemies of Jesus at the time of his crucifixion. is talking about all of them that was gathered around at his crucifixion and what they did to him. The rest of this chapter is talking about what went on at the time and trial and crucifixion of Jesus.) “he gnasheth upon me with his teeth; mine enemy sharpeneth his eyes upon me.�?( This is what they were saying to him at the time of the trial there before Pilate.

16:10 -- They have gaped upon me with their mouth; they have smitten me upon the cheek reproachfully; they have gathered themselves together against me.( Remember how they hit him on the cheek and plucked the hair on his face and spit In his face.) “they have gathered themselves together against me.�?( Now the word says that all of the heathen had gathered against him.)

16:11- God hath delivered me to the ungodly, ( see God did it. Remember Isaiah 53, we esteemed him smitten and afflicted of God. Hear Jesus is saying that God did this to me, God was the one that delivered me to the ungodly) and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.)

16:12- I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark. ( Now if that does not rend your heart, your heart is much too hard. If you can read this chapter and see what is being said and it does not break your heart, you do not love Jesus.

16:13- His archers compass me round about, he cleaveth my reins asunder, and doth not spare; he poureth out my gall upon the ground. ( God said in another book, a place in Psalms that the wicked man was his arrows that he used for correction. So he is saying here Gods�?arrows, Gods�?wicked people that he let come against Jesus are coming against him. His archers compass me round about, he cleaveth my reins asunder, and doth not spare; he poureth out my gall upon the ground. Read Psalms 22. That is another one, if you can read Psalms 22,talking about the crucifixion, and it does not rend your heart you need to pray and seek God.

16:14 -He breaketh me with breach upon breach, he runneth upon me like a giant.

16:15- I have sewed sackcloth upon my skin, and defiled my horn in the dust. ( In other words the King of the whole world was here in a frame of dust was tormented and killed.

16:16- My face is foul with weeping, and on my eyelids is the shadow of death; ( Now this is Jesus at the time of the crucifixion. Now listen to what he is saying.

16:17 - Not for any injustice in mine hands: also my prayer is pure.( Hear he is saying, I did not do any injustice or sin to cause this to come upon me.)

16:18 - O earth, cover not thou my blood, and let my cry have no place.

16:19 - Also now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and my record is on high. ( He said I know I have a place in heaven, a record and a witness that knows I have not sinned to cause all of this to come upon me.)

16:20 - My friends scorn me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God.

16:21 - O that one might plead for a man with God, as a man pleadeth for his neighbour! ( You can see from this that Jesus did not have no mediator. There was nobody to intercede between Jesus and God.)

16:22 - When a few years are come, then I shall go the way whence I shall not return.

Now let’s go into chapter 17-

17:6 - He hath made me also a byword of the people; and aforetime I was as a tabret.( Now remember, he said take not the name of the LORD their God in vain. I know that you have heard people say, oh my Jesus, oh Jesus this, oh Jesus that. They are using his name as a byword and slang, when it should be praise and honor. Before Jesus came to this earth he was hailed in the highest esteem.)

17:7 - Mine eye also is dim by reason of sorrow, and all my members are as a shadow.( This is prophecy of his church, he said he had all of us there in his mind. At the cross we were all like a shadow. Jesus and his members, each one of us is a member of Jesus, a member of his church.)

17:8 - Upright men shall be astonied at this, and the innocent shall stir up himself against the hypocrite.

17:9 - The righteous also shall hold on his way, and he that hath clean hands shall be stronger and stronger.

17:10 - But as for you all, do ye return, and come now: for I cannot find one wise man among you. .( Jesus is telling all those people and Job was telling those men, I cannot find one wise person among you. In other words at the time of the crucifixion, no wise person was there pleading for his cause.)

17:11- My days are past, my purposes are broken off, even the thoughts of my heart.

17:12 - They change the night into day: the light is short because of darkness.( In other words death was coming)

17:13- If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.

17:14 - I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.

17:15 - And where is now my hope? as for my hope, who shall see it?

17:16 - They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest together is in the dust. ( His hope was in God, and his hope everybody did see because his hope was fulfilled and God brought him out of that place.)

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 12:40 AM

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From: Isaiah Sent: 5/17/2004 3:19 PM
 

Now chapter 18-

18:8- For he is cast into a net by his own feet, and he walketh upon a snare.

18:9 - The gin shall take him by the heel, and the robber shall prevail against him.

18:10 - The snare is laid for him in the ground, and a trap for him in the way. ( Now here we are talking about the tribulation, prophecy is coming forth here from Bildad concerning the tribulation and what will happen to people here on the earth.)

18:11- Terrors shall make him afraid on every side, and shall drive him to his feet.

18:12 - His strength shall be hungerbitten, and destruction shall be ready at his side.

18:13 - It shall devour the strength of his skin: even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.

18:14 - His confidence shall be rooted out of his tabernacle, and it shall bring him to the king of terrors.( The king of terrors is Satan.)

18:15 - It shall dwell in his tabernacle, because it is none of his: brimstone shall be scattered upon his habitation.

( Here we are speaking of the kingdom of Satan. The final destruction of Satan’s Kingdom.)

In Psalms we are told -

11:6- Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

11:7- For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright. ( He said the Lord call the righteous but the wicked and them that love violence he said his soul hatheth. You see that, God hates people that are wicked and violate. Everybody says that God loves everybody, but this shows hates the wicked and violent and he is going to cast this brimstone upon them. So that connects with the Scripture in Job that we were just reading and it is showing that he is talking about the wicked people not Job personally. They were prophesying here about the destruction of the wicked people)

18:16 - His roots shall be dried up beneath, and above shall his branch be cut off. ( In other words Satan’s Kingdom is going to be cut off and dried up beneath, and above the branch which is the people here on this earth that will be cut off. This is also prophesying in part concerning Judas Iscariot

18:17- His remembrance shall perish from the earth, and he shall have no name in the street.( Remember how it said that everybody in the generation of Judas’s family would be cut off, his remembrance would be cut off from the earth. Its So this is partly prophesying about Judas. It is also prophesying about Satan and his people. If you will remember that in Psalms 109, it prophesied that in his next generation all the people of Judas generation would be cut off, that is what this means.

18:18- He shall be driven from light into darkness, and chased out of the world.( Remember where we said they would hurl him out of his body, well there it goes again, they chase him out of the world, that is what that means, the way the wicked die. See he had the light, he had Jesus, he was listening to Jesus every day teach the word of God, yet he went from that light into darkness.

18:19 - He shall neither have son nor nephew among his people, nor any remaining in his dwellings.

18:20 - They that come after him shall be astonied at his day, as they that went before were affrighted

18:21 - Surely such are the dwellings of the wicked, and this is the place of him that knoweth not God. ( This is speaking of where in Psalms that speak of Jesus where it was prophesied that in the generation following that he would have no prosperity left.

In Psalms 37 starting with verse 11-

11- But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.( Talking about the Millennium.)

37:12- The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. ( That is what happened to Jesus, they gnashed upon him with their teeth. That means the ugly words that were said about Jesus.

37:13 - The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.( In other words, the day of destruction from the Almighty, that we have just read about how the wicked would be destroyed.

37:14 - The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.

37:15 - Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken. ( Remember where he said he fell in a trap of his own feet.)

Now let’s go into chapter 20 of Job beginning at vs. seven.

20:7 - Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he? ( This is Zophar still talking about the death of the wicked people.

20:8 - He shall fly away as a dream, and shall not be found: yea, he shall be chased away as a vision of the night. ( See it is the same thing, two scriptures bearing out that something chases this person away. So some evil comes and chases the wicked man’s soul out of his body and I can assure you that is something horrible, the way the word keep bringing this out.

20:9- The eye also which saw him shall see him no more; neither shall his place any more behold him.

20:10 - His children shall seek to please the poor, and his hands shall restore their goods.

20:11- His bones are full of the sin of his youth, which shall lie down with him in the dust.

20:12 - Though wickedness be sweet in his mouth, though he hide it under his tongue;

20:13 -Though he spare it, and forsake it not; but keep it still within his mouth: ( See this person never repented, is showing that this person held on to his wickedness right up till the end.

20:14 - Yet his meat in his bowels is turned, it is the gall of asps within him. ( Remember where they cast his gall out. That is that ugly word.)

20:15 - He hath swallowed down riches, and he shall vomit them up again: God shall cast them out of his belly.

( See once again he is speaking of the rich wicked in the world, and we also can tie this with the church in Laodicean. And he shall vomit them up again, in other words they got all these riches but in the end they are going to have to lose it, just like Solomon said to somebody else.)

20:16- He shall suck the poison of asps: the viper's tongue shall slay him. ( The asps were poison snakes, the viper’s tongue shall slay him, in other words we are talking about Satan.)

20:17 - He shall not see the rivers, the floods, the brooks of honey and butter.( in other words he is talking about the blessing of the Millennium where Jesus sets up his blessing here on earth.

20:18 - That which he laboured for shall he restore, and shall not swallow it down: according to his substance shall the restitution be, and he shall not rejoice therein.

20:19 - Because he hath oppressed and hath forsaken the poor; because he hath violently taken away an house which he builded not; ( Remember how Judas took money and stole and said he had the money-bag and he stole from the poor. Because he hath violently taken away an house which he builded not; ( In other words Satan taking away mankind that God created. A house here that God created and Satan took it away. And Satan’s people, they go around and take from the poor to build up their little kingdoms and their little empire. But the Lord said that he was take it away from them.)

20:20 - Surely he shall not feel quietness in his belly, he shall not save of that which he desired.

20:21 - There shall none of his meat be left; therefore shall no man look for his goods.

20:22 - In the fulness of his sufficiency he shall be in straits: every hand of the wicked shall come upon him.

( Meaning is a very time that when he was most flourishing financially he became in straits. Straits mean that you are having a hard time. Because when his death came upon him his riches did not do him any good. “Every hand of the wicked shall come upon him�?see that is when he is dead, when he is cast out and the wicked men are standing there clapping and hissing.)

20:23- When he is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating.

20:24 - He shall flee from the iron weapon, and the bow of steel shall strike him through. ( That is talking about that rod of iron that we will rule with when the milleliuem is being established. So this is talking about when Satan got ready to devour the whole earth, where he gets his last world government set up and he is ready to really devour everybody. That is when God is going to bring his wrath on him.)

20:25 - It is drawn, and cometh out of the body; yea, the glittering sword cometh out of his gall: terrors are upon him.

20:26 -All darkness shall be hid in his secret places: a fire not blown shall consume him; it shall go ill with him that is left in his tabernacle. ( In other words those left of this house of Satan’s and also of the house of Judas.)

20:27 - The heaven shall reveal his iniquity; and the earth shall rise up against him.( This is talking about the judgment ministry, the heaven, the spiritual people that have the power of judgment at the end that will reveal his iniquity.

20:28 - The increase of his house shall depart, and his goods shall flow away in the day of his wrath.

20:29 - This is the portion of a wicked man from God, and the heritage appointed unto him by God.( Now that is a lot of reading but we needed to see this. That is the prophecy concerning the fulfillment of the destruction of Satan and his wicked people for all they have done against God’s people.)

Now chapter 22:15-

22:15 - Hast thou marked the old way which wicked men have trodden?

22:16 - Which were cut down out of time, whose foundation was overflown with a flood ( Now this is speaking of the pre- Noah era, the wicked man that lived before the flood.

22:17 - Which said unto God, Depart from us: and what can the Almighty do for them? ( See what they were saying? They were telling God to depart from them, you cannot do anything for us. They had come to the attitude that they were so powerful and so rich and so well to do on their own, they just told God to depart from them. See you get things like this that you do not get from other scriptures, you don’t realize sometimes that these things are in the word of God. When you read it in like in Job you do not realize that this is what he is talking about. But there are places all through the scriptures that reveals these things. We would show you a real astonishing one in a bit.

22:18 - Yet he filled their houses with good things: but the counsel of the wicked is far from me.( Back then when they were so against God, he kept blessing and kept blessing them and kept blessing them, giving them a time and a chance to turn to God like he is doing right now. But they did not.)

22:19 -The righteous see it, and are glad: and the innocent laugh them to scorn.

22:20 - Whereas our substance is not cut down, but the remnant of them the fire consumeth.( In other words the righteousness substance will continue while the fire devoured the wicked. )

This is Eliphaz the Temanite prophesying and he is telling Job and of course they say it to Jesus and the Christian.

22:21 - Acquaint now thyself with him, and be at peace: thereby good shall come unto thee. ( here he is saying if you can get to know God then you can have peace, which is true, it is a prophecy concerning these things. But they were making a mockery of him. The same thing that they do to a Christian, they make a mockery and say if you would only get right with God you would not be having all these problems. That is what they say to the Christians if you’re sick and suffering or when something bad happens. They will tell you that you are living in sin and that is why these things are happening to you.

22:22- Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart.

22:23 - If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up, thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles ( in other words he is telling people if they turn from their sins and turn to God you will be built up.)

22:24 - Then shalt thou lay up gold as dust, and the gold of Ophir as the stones of the brooks.

22:25 - Yea, the Almighty shall be thy defence, and thou shalt have plenty of silver.( This is what a lot of people are teaching today that is carnal. They say, oh if you get right with God you have lots of money, but this is not what this is really saying and it is not a true prophecy. Because God’s people are usually poor.

22:26 - For then shalt thou have thy delight in the Almighty, and shalt lift up thy face unto God.

22:27 - Thou shalt make thy prayer unto him, and he shall hear thee, and thou shalt pay thy vows ( Now you see he is saying right there that prophesying and saying that you need to get right with God and you will have all these answers.)

Now in chapter 23 if you will read the first part of this it is showing the condition that Christians get in at times when God pulls back his presence and puts them through trials. And they say they can’t find God, when I pray I can’t find God, when I do this I can’t find God, when I do that I can’t find God, but God is putting people through trials to test your faith within these things happen.

23:8 - Behold, I go forward, but he is not there; and backward, but I cannot perceive him:

23:9 - On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him: ( See he was perplexed because ever way which he went he could not find God and that is how it was with Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane and at the cross when God forsook him. That is what we go through, when we are going through trials and testing.

23:10 - But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. ( So see he held to that faith in God. That is what we need to do when we are going through trials and you say I can not find God no matter which way I look it does not look like God is with me, then you have to build up your own faith, claim your faith and it will be there. He said I know when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.

23:11 - My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. ( See once again Job and Jesus are declaring that they know that they have not been wicked against God.)

23:12- Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. ( Such a beautiful scripture, we know that this was Jesus, he esteemed the words of God above everything even his necessary food.)

23:13 - But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

23:14 - For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

23:15 - Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. ( That is how we become when we can’t find God, you don’t know what is going on in your life, you just have to hang in there by faith in God.

Now let’s go to chapter 25 where Bildad the Shuhite is asking this question.

25:4 - How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

25:5 - Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.

25:6- How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm? ( In the Old Testament they did not foresee or understand about the blood of Jesus and it’s cleansing power. They knew that they had no way of being clean. So in a sense of the word Satan is hurling this at Jesus, at some point of time trying to make him afraid, saying, oh you are down there in the flesh now, you have been born of a woman you are not ever going to the clean.

Now chapter 27 and let’s see why Job was making those men upset. This is Jesus speaking through Job.

27:3 - All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

27:4 - My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit. ( We know that Jesus never did speak any guile but they do not know that is Jesus speaking so they think that Job is boasting of himself. In a sense of the word Job is showing a condition that people go through when they are attempting righteousness without really having known God. See he was at a stage where he said I am upholding my own ways before God. And he is still in this condition, he is still upholding his own ways before God so this is his own personal thoughts but it is also Jesus prophesying.

27:5- God forbid that I should justify you: till I die I will not remove mine integrity from me.

27:6 - My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.

( That is the way that a lot of church people are. They say oh I am so righteousness that I am not going to turn a loose, that is because they have never met God. We are going to show you at the end of the book of Job what really happens when you come face-to-face with God and meet God. After God revealed himself to Job at the end of this book, ( Job 42:5-6) he said I have heard of you with the ear but now I see you with the eye therefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. That is what happens when you see yourself as nothing when you really see God. So this is the self-righteous attitude of people that are acting out religion but have not been truly converted and met God personally. But is also Jesus, because Jesus knew in his heart that he had not sinned on turned away from God. Jesus is the only one that can truly say that my righteousness I hold fast because he said in the beginning of the book Job had said that I will maintain my way before God and will not let it go. But when he came face-to-face with God he did let it go. “My heart shall not reproach me so long as I live�? But you see he found out that it did.)

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 12:41 AM

(Part 5)

From: Isaiah Sent: 5/17/2004 3:23 PM

 

Job 27:13 - This is the portion of a wicked man with God, and the heritage of oppressors, which they shall receive of the Almighty.

27:14 - If his children be multiplied, it is for the sword: and his offspring shall not be satisfied with bread.

27:15 - Those that remain of him shall be buried in death: and his widows shall not weep.

27:16 - Though he heap up silver as the dust, and prepare raiment as the clay;

27:17 - He may prepare it, but the just shall put it on, and the innocent shall divide the silver.

27:18 - He buildeth his house as a moth, and as a booth that the keeper maketh.

27:19 - The rich man shall lie down, but he shall not be gathered: he openeth his eyes, and he is not. ( this is speaking of his death)

27:20- Terrors take hold on him as waters, a tempest stealeth him away in the night.

27:21 - The east wind carrieth him away, and he departeth: and as a storm hurleth him out of his place.

27:22 - For God shall cast upon him, and not spare: he would fain flee out of his hand.

27:23 - Men shall clap their hands at him, and shall hiss him out of his place. ( That is the horrible death of a wicked person. But back at verse 17&18 it shows that he built up all these riches but the Innocence and the Just taking it. What that is showing is the Saints of God taking and processing the kingdom.)

Now to chapter 28 he is prophesying about the New Earth and describing the beautiful perfection of Mt. Zion, the perfect state of the earthly Kingdom of Jesus. The New Heaven and the New Earth.

28:1 - Surely there is a vein for the silver, and a place for gold where they fine it.

28:2 - Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone.

28:3 - He setteth an end to darkness, and searcheth out all perfection: the stones of darkness, and the shadow of death.( This is talking about the millennial reign of Christ on the Earth and a New Heaven and a New Earth afterwards. The stones of darkness, and the shadow of death. See he puts an end to all that.

28:4 - The flood breaketh out from the inhabitant; even the waters forgotten of the foot: they are dried up, they are gone away from men.

28:5 - As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.

28:6 - The stones of it are the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold. ( remember the dust on that earth, the dust is as gold.)

28:7 - There is a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen: ( There has never been in the natural we are speaking here but in the spiritual you can place it both either ways. Nothing has died on this New Earth and no vulture has eaten it and no vulture has ever been there.)

28:8 - The lion's whelps have not trodden it, nor the fierce lion passed by it.( In other words destruction will not be in this New Earth)

28:9 - He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.( This is when Jesus is destroying these earthly kingdoms to set up his kingdom.)

28:10 - He cutteth out rivers among the rocks; and his eye seeth every precious thing.( If you will read the rest of this chapter you will see how he is describing this New Earth which is a beautiful thing.

Chapter 29 - Jesus here is longing for the day when he was with God before he came to this earth.

29:2 - Oh that I were as in months past, as in the days when God preserved me; ( Now here is Job talking about before he came to all his sorrows but Jesus is saying if I only could be like I was with my Father in the beginning.)

29:3- When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness; ( In other words before the time of the crucifixion, the light of God in Jesus�?mind took him through all the darkness that was around him.)

29:4 - As I was in the days of my youth, when the secret of God was upon my tabernacle;

29:5 - When the Almighty was yet with me, when my children were about me;

29:6 - When I washed my steps with butter, and the rock poured me out rivers of oil;

29:7 - When I went out to the gate through the city, when I prepared my seat in the street!

29:8 - The young men saw me, and hid themselves: and the aged arose, and stood up.( In other words this was before Jesus came to the earth and this is the way that it will be at the end when people will respect him. Now Job had this same kind of life.)

29:9 - The princes refrained talking, and laid their hand on their mouth.

29:10 -The nobles held their peace, and their tongue cleaved to the roof of their mouth.

29:11 - When the ear heard me, then it blessed me; and when the eye saw me, it gave witness to me:

29:12 - Because I delivered the poor that cried, and the fatherless, and him that had none to help him. ( now this is Jesus talking but see these men think this is Job so they get real angry at him for talking about himself like this. But Jesus is speaking, these are things that he did his lifetime.)

29:13 - The blessing of him that was ready to perish came upon me: and I caused the widow's heart to sing for joy.( You know that if this was Job it really would be some them self-boasting but we know that this is Jesus prophesying about his own life.)

29:14 - I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.

29:15 - I was eyes to the blind, and feet was I to the lame.

29:16 - I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.( Now you can really imagine how those men were getting angry listening to Job saying the things without knowing that is Jesus speaking. Jesus in the only one that can truly say these things and these words.)

29:17 - And I brake the jaws of the wicked, and plucked the spoil out of his teeth. ( Only Jesus can say that and be telling the truth.)

29:18 - Then I said, I shall die in my nest, and I shall multiply my days as the sand.

29:19 - My root was spread out by the waters, and the dew lay all night upon my branch.

29:20 - My glory was fresh in me, and my bow was renewed in my hand. ( This is talking about the resurrection of Jesus)

29:21- Unto me men gave ear, and waited, and kept silence at my counsel.

29:22 - After my words they spake not again; and my speech dropped upon them.

29:23 - And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain ( Praise God, here we get in the picture, the latter rain is talking about us. Receiving the rain of Jesus into our life.)

29:24 - If I laughed on them, they believed it not; and the light of my countenance they cast not down.

29:25 - I chose out their way, and sat chief, and dwelt as a king in the army, as one that comforteth the mourners.( He sent us the Holy Ghost to comfort us and he is the King of the whole Earth.)

30:1 - But now they that are younger than I have me in derision, whose fathers I would have disdained to have set with the dogs of my flock.( This is speaking of now that he is down here in the flesh and come to the time of the crucifixion all these people were scorning Jesus and looking down on him like he was worth nothing.

30:2 - Yea, whereto might the strength of their hands profit me, in whom old age was perished?

30:3 -For want and famine they were solitary; fleeing into the wilderness in former time desolate and waste

Now watch this and you can see where the cave men came from. Science is baffled by it but what they needed to do is read the book of Job. In the old-time, which means before the flood, these people had become so wicked they were driven down and they were in a time of want and famine and they were in a time of solitary because they had been so wicked and driven away from society of that day. Fleeing into the wilderness in former time desolate and waste. Former time is speaking of before the flood.

30:4 - Who cut up mallows by the bushes, and juniper roots for their meat. ( in other words they went out in the wilderness and cut bushes and roots and eat them.)

30:5 - They were driven forth from among men, (they cried after them as after a thief;) ( In other words those

men that were so rich and powerful before the flood, they were a group of people that they despised and they cried after them and drove them off, out of society.

30:6 - To dwell in the cliffs of the valleys, in caves of the earth, and in the rocks.

30:7 - Among the bushes they brayed; under the nettles they were gathered together.

30:8 - They were children of fools, yea, children of base men: they were viler than the earth.

30:9 - And now am I their song, yea, I am their byword. ( In other words their descendants, the same kind of people, the same evil rotten bunch of people, were smearing at the Lord Jesus.)

30:10- They abhor me, they flee far from me, and spare not to spit in my face. ( Those people standing there spitting in the face of Jesus were actually off springs of these people. Because they had passed over on the Ark through Noah’s wicked son and they became the same group of people on this side as they were on the other side of the flood.)

30:11 - Because he hath loosed my cord, and afflicted me, they have also let loose the bridle before me.( In other words he said because God did this, only because God did this could do what they were doing. )

30:12 - Upon my right hand rise the youth; they push away my feet, and they raise up against me the ways of their destruction. ( this is talking about the young people.)

30:13 - They mar my path, they set forward my calamity, they have no helper.( Do you see what he is saying there? That is why you need to study the Old Testament books, you can get knowledge of Jesus that you do not get out of the New Testament. He is saying right there as he was caring that cross up Calvary’s hill young people were smearing at him and knocking his feet out from under him and setting things in his way and marring his path, making it a whole lot harder on him than it was. That is what this is saying. This ought to break your heart. This chapter really ought to break your heart).

30:14 - They came upon me as a wide breaking in of waters: in the desolation they rolled themselves upon me.

( This is how they were afflicting Jesus at the time of the crucifixion.)

30:15 - Terrors are turned upon me: they pursue my soul as the wind: and my welfare passeth away as a cloud.

30:16 - And now my soul is poured out upon me; the days of affliction have taken hold upon me.

30:17 - My bones are pierced in me in the night season: and my sinews take no rest.

30:18 - By the great force of my disease is my garment changed: it bindeth me about as the collar of my coat.( In other words when his image was marred more than any other man there, they beat him and plucked out his hair and in all those horrible things to Jesus. That is what this is talking about.)

30:19 - He hath cast me into the mire, and I am become like dust and ashes.

30:20 - I cry unto thee, and thou dost not hear me: I stand up, and thou regardest me not. ( This is when God forsook Jesus, remember Jesus crying out to God, My God, My God, why have thou forsaken me? Once again that is what this is talking about.)

30:21 - Thou art become cruel to me: with thy strong hand thou opposest thyself against me.( Hear Jesus is talking to God when he said Thou. God had to do that, to let Jesus pay the price for the sins of the whole world. He had to do that to his own son.)

30:22 - Thou liftest me up to the wind; thou causest me to ride upon it, and dissolvest my substance.

30:23 - For I know that thou wilt bring me to death, and to the house appointed for all living.

30:24 - Howbeit he will not stretch out his hand to the grave, though they cry in his destruction.

30:25 - Did not I weep for him that was in trouble? was not my soul grieved for the poor? ( This is Jesus talking to God and said to him, when other people hurt and was in trouble you know that I grieved and wept for them. Here they are adding to my affliction.

30:26 - When I looked for good, then evil came unto me: and when I waited for light, there came darkness.

30:27 - My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me. ( Here we see Jesus having diarrhea. That is what it means when he talked about his bowels boiled.)

30:28 - I went mourning without the sun: I stood up, and I cried in the congregation.

30:29 - I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls.

30:30 -My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.

30:31 - My harp also is turned to mourning, and my organ into the voice of them that weep.( In other words he had no joy left, he had become one that was weeping and mourning.)

Now let’s go into chapters 32-

Job quits speaking and the three men never answer him again. They had nothing else to say because they had heard enough about Job and his seemly self-righteousness. Now comes another man into the picture that you don’t even know that he is there. Up until this point you don’t even realized he’s there. He is not mentioned up until now. He is a young man by the name of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram. This man waited and when all was through speaking, he said it is my turn and I am going to tell you what I think. He said you men that was suppose to have wisdom did not really bring out any answers because they did not know what was going on. These old men was supposed to have wisdom but did not know what was going on with Job. You have accused him of everything but you have not found or proved anything against Job.

Then he tells Job, all you have done is talk about your self-righteousness, so now I’m going to speak on the behalf of God. Now I want you to know that this is Jesus speaking through Elihu and witnessing for God. He is not witnessing for his self but he is witnessing for God. In all of this you read what Elihu said he goes to the real power, Job is saying, oh, I helped widows and I did all of this and I did all of that and I gave food to the poor. Well sure we do those kind of things but that is not no power but when Elihu got through showing Job the real power. God created the clouds, God created the thunder and the lighting, God created the stars and the Earth, God created the animals, God created a boundary of the ocean so it can only go so far. When he got through saying all of that then Job understood.

Now chapter 33 beginning with verse 6-

33:6 - Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay. ( Now this is Jesus speaking saying you wanted here, a daysman, somebody that would be between you and God, well here I am. I come, I am speaking through this man to tell you that I am here in God’s stead.)

Then he goes on and say-

33:8 - Surely thou hast spoken in mine hearing, and I have heard the voice of thy words, saying,

33:9 -I am clean without transgression, I am innocent; neither is there iniquity in me.

33:10 - Behold, he findeth occasions against me, he counteth me for his enemy,

33:11 - He putteth my feet in the stocks, he marketh all my paths.

33:12 - Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.

33:13 - Why dost thou strive against him? for he giveth not account of any of his matters.( Here he is telling Job becomes of your self-righteousness attitude you are not right, you are striving against God. and then he goes on down and like Paul and preaches the gospel. This Elihu actually was preaching the gospel to Job. Showing him all your good works and all your things that you do is not going to make you right with God, it is not going to make you righteous in the site of God, as for cleansing you and making you have salvation.

33:18 - He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

33:19 - He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain:

33:20 - So that his life abhorreth bread, and his soul dainty meat.

33:21 - His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.

33:22 - Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.

Not listen to this-

33:23 - If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness:

33:24- Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.

( What he is saying here that if a sinner that has come down to the point of death, but yet he had repented he said if there be a messenger , an interpreter, with him, talking about the Holy Ghost. Speaking now of the days of the New Testament, he is preaching the gospel, if a man come down to the grave and he had the Holy Ghost there, the messenger, the interpreter, the interpreter of God to man and he will keep back his soul from going down to the pit.)

Then he said-

33:25 - His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth: ( This is speaking of the resurrection.)

33:26 - He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness.

33:27 - He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not; ( he said right there that the man confessed that he had sinned and he got no profit from it. He said that he would deliver his soul from going into the pit.

33:28 - He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light. ( He was preaching the gospel that if you repented of your sins and confessed with your mouth your sins that God would have mercy on you

Chapter 34-

34:20 - In a moment shall they die, and the people shall be troubled at midnight, and pass away: and the mighty shall be taken away without hand. ( Here he is speaking of the time of the midnight cry when the Lord returns in a moment in the twinkling of a eye and he finds these people still wicked, he will destroy them at the midnight time. Because they have come down to the end and had not repented and filled with the Holy Ghost.)

Chapter 36 - Elihu is still speaking, Jesus speaking through him.

36:3 - I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker ( this is Jesus witnessing for God.)

36:4- For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.( So that can only be Jesus talking.)

36:5 - Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth not any: he is mighty in strength and wisdom.

36:6 - He preserveth not the life of the wicked: but giveth right to the poor.

36:7 - He withdraweth not his eyes from the righteous: but with kings are they on the throne; yea, he doth establish them for ever, and they are exalted. ( He’s saying a righteous person can be with a king on the throne, meaning with your prayers. With your prayers you can be on the throne with the King making decisions by praying that God would put what is right in the heart of that ruler. That is what we all should be doing right now for our President. We should be right there on the throne with him praying and asking God to make them do what is right for our country and for us.)

36:8 - And if they be bound in fetters, and be holden in cords of affliction; ( still talking about the Kings that we just prayed for.)

36:9 - Then he sheweth them their work, and their transgressions that they have exceeded. ( In other words as we pray for these leaders of our country and God will show them what they have done wrong.)

36:10 - He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity.

36:11 - If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

36:12 - But if they obey not, they shall perish by the sword, and they shall die without knowledge ( So we need to pray for our leaders that they will turn and repent.

34:11- For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways. ( This proves that we will be judged by our works. Even in this book it proves that we will be judged and rewarded according to our works, our ways.)

34:12 - Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.

34:13 - Who hath given him a charge over the earth? or who hath disposed the whole world? ( Who gave this to God? Nobody gave it to God, he had it his self by his own power.)

34:14 - If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

34:15 - All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust. ( He is saying that we live by the very breath of God and people are going around scorning God and turning against God and saying things against God did not realize that their very breath is Gods�?life.)

Now reading in chapter 34 with verse 24 and on down, he is speaking here how God destroys the wicked and raises up others.

34:24 - He shall break in pieces mighty men without number, and set others in their stead.

34:25 - Therefore he knoweth their works, and he overturneth them in the night, so that they are destroyed.

( This is the judgment of the Lord)

34:26 - He striketh them as wicked men in the open sight of others;

34:27 - Because they turned back from him, and would not consider any of his ways: ( After he deals with people for a certain amount of time then he wipes them out and more people come in their place.)

34:28 - So that they cause the cry of the poor to come unto him, and he heareth the cry of the afflicted.( They were afflicting poor people and God heard the cry of the poor and the afflicted.)

34:29 - When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only: ( In other words when God you quietness in your soul no matter what is going on around you no one can disturb that quietness. That is peace. “Who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:�?In other words if he turned against a person or nations you can not find him. Whether it be done against a nation or a man only.)

34:30 - That the hypocrite reign not, lest the people be ensnared. ( If we have hypocrites ruling over us we will be ensnared.)

34:31 - Surely it is meet to be said unto God, I have borne chastisement, I will not offend any more:

34:32 - That which I see not teach thou me: if I have done iniquity, I will do no more. ( That is the attitude that we should have for God.

If you finish reading these chapters and look at all the wonderful things that Elihu said about God.

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 12:42 AM

(Part 6)

From: Isaiah Sent: 5/17/2004 3:33 PM

Let’s look at chapter 38- In this chapter God himself appears to Job, God speaks to Job out of a whirlwind and reveals himself the Job. He continued to tell him a lots of more things about himself more than Elihu had said. We will not go into this right now. Just read it and see the wonderful and great things that God shows when man sees all these wonderful things that God himself did. He created the birds, he created the fish, he created the heavens and all of them wonderful things. Man made is nothing compared to God.

Then he goes on down in chapter 42-

42:1- Then Job answered the LORD, and said,

42:2 - I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

42:3 - Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

42:4 - Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

42:5 - I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

42:6 - Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. ( That is what happened when Job came face to face with God, he finally repented all his own sins. He came out of his own self-righteousness when he came in contact with the Almighty God.

Then God went on down and told the three men that has spoken that they had said things that were not right and they had to bring offerings and let Job pray for them and let them be cleansed.

42:7- And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

42:8 - Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

42:9 - So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.

Then it said, remember where they had prophesied to Job that the latter end would be better than his first.

42:10 - And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before. ( There is your double portion.)

42:11 - Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold. ( So the Lord blessed the latter part of Job more than the beginning.)

42:12 - So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.

42:13 - He had also seven sons and three daughters.

42:14 - And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch.

42:15 - And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.( This is showing the other portion, the Christians that receive the latter rain. The former rain was the baptism of the Holy Ghost and those of us down here at the end of time will receive the double portion by having the baptism of the Holy Ghost and also receiving the baptism of Fire to be the second witness.)

42:16 - After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons' sons, even four generations.

42:17 - So Job died, being old and full of days.

Thank God for the beautiful and wonderful book and the understanding of Job. We hope you will get a blessing from this and that you will study the book of Job and get into the word of God. It is the most beautiful and wonderful thing that there is. The comfort of the Scriptures. It comforts us in our grief and our sorrows. It is the joy of our soul, without the joy of the Lord there is no strength.

God bless you know and have a wonderful day.


 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 12:45 AM
From: joie Sent: 5/17/2004 9:34 PM
Isaiah, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time, and doing this labour of transposing these messages, espcially this one, off the tape into print.  I love hearing this message.  But I am so glad to now have opportunity to print it up. I get so much more from reading them.
 
I still can't imagine how you sit and take them off the tape and type them up.  (I wish to tell the people that all my messages are on 90 minute types, and I always fill them up.  One of them, the four living creatures, is on a 120 minute tape;  hey, you wish to transpose that one?  haha.)
 
May God richly bless you for your labour with me in getting these deep messages and revelations to people.
 
I truly wish others would get a 'vision' from God and help us.  So much could be accomplished for the Kingdom of Jesus if only others would labour with us in our Father's vinyard.  May it be.
 
Now I wish to tell them something you and I saw a while ago as we discussed this message on the phone.  The two set of children Job had represent the children of law, which are done away with;  and the NT children of Grace.  The last being better than the first.
 
So much revelation is in this wonderful Book of Job.
 
God bless it----and you--and any who read this message.
 
(I am going to have to go buy some ink before I can print this one out. ]


And this reminds me,   I never did get this one printed out.  don't even know if I have it in my documents.  I used to not know how to do this.

I need to take a whole day and get some of this done.  Still wonder how we never moved this one into a special board.  guess we just never got this far back.

still have not found that message on baptism.  wonder where those good ones are?


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 12:46 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname·Spiritwalker</NOBR> Sent: 5/17/2004 10:27 PM
I am presently printing this out so I can read it.  Thanks Isaiah for taking the time to put it on the board and Joie for doing it.
Love,
"Spiritwalker"

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