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Joie, the doctrine that once saved, always saved is another false delusion of Satan. There are so many scriptures that proved this is a lie of Satan.

He trys to get the people to believe this so they will be at ease in Zion....... Just to show you this big lie I will bring forth many scriptures disproving this thing of once saved always saved.

Heb.6:4-- For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, ( They at one time were filled withthe Holy Ghost)

6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. ( See he is saying that they can fall away and there is no more repentance for what they have done.)

Heb.-10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Heb 10:26 -
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

2 Tim. 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Heb 2:1
Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

2:2- For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

2:3 -How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Heb 3:12- Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Rev.2:4- Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Rom. 1:21-For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee

John 15:2- Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

2 Thess. 2:3-Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Mark 13:5- And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

13:6- For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Luke 8:18- Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

1 Cor. 10:12- Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Enough scripture to disproved that once you are saved does not mean that you can't fall.

Thank you, Isaiah. That is a very good answer and oh so true. I hope this will help someone find the truth about this.

Isaiah, this is terribly wrong doctrine! It is misapplying the Word of God. I hope you are open to consider the matter further.

Heb.6:4-6 says it is impossible for those who were once enlightened (made aware of the truth), and have tasted (not received) the gift, and were made partakers (Greek - metochous: going along with) the Holy Ghost. This is only profession, not possession of the truth and eternal life.

This is pretty much the same in all the verses you quoted.

Heb.10:26 is very true. If one rejects the truth after he has learned of it, there is no other way of hope. There is nothing more to offer him. This is not speaking to "born again" believers, but professors (followers).

Heb.10:38 is a message to these Hebrew Christians to not draw back to the Jews religion. It surely doesn't speak of losing salvation, but losing his pleasure. Please read it again.

Rev.2:4 Leaving thy first love is not losing salvation, but failing to walk with God and honor Him in faithfulness as a believer.

John 15:2 speaks of those who are faithful and bear fruit. The saints of God should bear fruit, but some don't and live unto themselves---but they are still in Christ by virtue of His redemptive work in them.

Please read all the verses you quoted in this truth, and please review the following paper:

THOUGHTS ON ETERNAL SECURITY

Perhaps the reason some Christians doubt the eternal security of the believer in Christ, is that they doubt the efficacy of the work of Christ on the cross. They may think He did not do a com plete work and their help is needed to finish it, like the woman who said: "He is rowing on one side of the boat and I must row on the other side to get to heaven". That is surely demeaning to God, who said by the apostle, Paul: "when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly" (Rom.5:6).

Some Christians allow that the work of redemption was completed by Christ, but think their salvation depends on their own ability to measure up to it and maintain it. We could never measure up, let alone maintain salvation. Simply, these folks don't see that redemption is a finished work, and is a free gift by grace (see Rom.6:23; Eph.2:4-9; II Tim.1:9; Titus 3:5). If one can see that man is helpless, corrupted, and dead in sin as God said (Rom.3:10-12; Eph.2:1-7); and even down in a "horrible pit" (Psa.40:2), it should be quite apparent that he can do nothing to achieve or earn salvation by his own works (Isa.64:6-8). Only God can redeem a soul, and that by grace ("unmerited favor"; gratis). We must then see and receive the gift with thanksgiving, and make it good to our own soul.

If one fails to appreciate the difference between the believer's standing and state, they will likely think that whenever the flesh acts out they lose salvation. Our standing depends on the finished

and perfect work of Christ on the cross, not on ourselves. We must not discredit that holy work. Our state, on the other hand, depends on our faithfulness. Our standing is redemption and the gift of eternal life, and faithfulness has to do with rewards in Heaven, not our going to Heaven.

Consider a child who is born into a family or adopted (believers are both - see John 3:3; Rom. 8:15; Gal.4:4-6). They are not put out of the family for sins, but may lose the favor of the parents until restored. The prodigal son did not cease to be the son because he sinned, but he had to return to restore the happy relationship with his father and receive blessings (Luke 15:11-24). Believers must confess their sins to continue the happy fellowship (I John 1:9). We ought to know that "born again" believers are the "children of God" and He is our Father forever (I John 2:1-6; I John 3:1-2). We don't get unborn. Much of the problem in this matter is due to bad teaching. One must rightly divide the "Word of truth" (II Tim.2:15). Observe the following verses that are often misapplied:

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Matt.24:13- "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (preserved). It does not refer to salvation of the soul and eternal life. We need to know that God is speaking of Jews during the tribulation time (read the whole chapter). This is after the church is taken up to heaven and the earthly people of Israel endure judgment on the earth.

John 6:69-71 shows that Judas did not lose salvation; he never was saved. He was with the disciples for personal gain only (see John 17:12 & John 13:10-11).

Acts 8:12-13, Simon believed Phillip and was baptized, but he was a follower only, not a true believer (see verses 14-16 & especially note verses 18-21).

Rom.6:23- "the wages of sin is death". Paul is preaching the gospel message at Rome (see Rom.1:16-17), and showing that the good news is for both Jew and Gentile. It surely does not say

that if a saint sins he loses his hope of heaven, but that the unsaved sinner will receive wages for his life of sin, which is eternal death. One is either in Christ as a saint and child of God, or in the flesh as a sinner and condemned. There is no thought anywhere in the Word of God that a "born again" believer goes back and forth.

I Cor.3:11-15- "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss". One should finish the verse and see that this portion is a word to Christians about the Judgment Seat of Christ in a day to come. It is a scene in heaven and speaks of rewards after they arrive.

Gal.5:4- "Ye are fallen from grace". This whole epistle is to those who were mixing law with grace, and some were only professors of the Lord and not possessors. Notice verse five contrasts "ye" with "we". It is important to also understand that one who denies salvation by pure grace (favor), has fallen from that privilege and is depending on the law or works. Falling or turning from the truth of grace, does not say a true believer has lost eternal life and is no more a son of God.

Phil.2:12- "work out your own salvation" is a word to the saints to work out that faith they have within, and do the good works of God. It does not say to work FOR salvation.

Heb.6:4-6. This portion has been a difficulty for many who know not the Scriptures. See verse nine, which shows that these believers were not just "tasters", but true believers. They were more than just "enlightened" and "partakers" (going along with) the truth, but faithful and sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph.1:12-14; I Cor.6:19). The world is full of religious professors who in time turn away, and who are not born of God (I John 5:1).

James 2:17- "faith if it hath not works, is dead, being alone". This epistle exhorts works as proof of faith. It in no wise contradicts the rest of the Word of God. James makes the point over again that faith should produce works, and without some evidence of the faith within it is as dead. It may be an empty profession without reality. A Christian should live the new life and show forth Christ. Observe that verse fourteen should have been translated: "can (that) faith save him?" In other words, if one says he has faith and has no evidence of it, can that kind of faith keep him? It is dead and not real.

II Pet.2:22. This certainly does not refer to a saint of God, but false teachers who corrupt the truth (see verse 9). One may sit under the truth and all the privileges (like Judas and Simon the sorcerer) and then return to "wallowing in the mire".

I John 3:9-10- "Whosoever is born of God doth not committ (should be translated 'practice') sin". All souls sin at times. God says that "by their fruits ye shall know them" (Matt.7:20), so one who practices sin should not be judged to be truly of God.

Real Christians are born of the Holy Spirit (John 1:13; John 3:6-8), and they are sealed and kept by God (II Cor.1:21-22; Eph.1:12-13; 4:30). They then ought to walk in the Spirit and honor the Lord. Satan cannot prevent salvation, but he can hinder a seeker, and he works to stumble us and divide and scatter the sheep. If we do not study the Word of God Satan will teach us lies, and thereby rob us of our rewards and joy in the Lord.

-R. L. DeWitt, revised 4/01

'Partake' means to take or have a part of something. The meaning you gave, that of going along with something, is NOT listed in the dictionary I looked at.

No one is denying the completed and satisfactory work of Jesus at Calvary. BUT this is no way assures a person who turns back to sin and the world, that they are going to be given this gift of salvation.

Just because one makes a start with God in this life, does not mean they will finish on the right side. All of the verses you list have been twisted away from their true meaning to try to prove that one can go back to sin after coming to Jesus and still have salvation. I tell you in the name of the Lord, it is a lie; completely contrary to the Word. It is an heinous crime of Satan and His false teachers, (of whom the world is full) to lead souls to hell thinking they have Heaven made.

No one still here in this flesh has it made. This in no way 'belittles' the work of Jesus. It is those teaching christians must still sin who are belittling Jesus. For Jesus gave us His Holy spirit to give us the power to overcome sin in this flesh. And if we don't then we disgrace Jesus, crucify him afresh and put him to open shame.

Those who do this will do as Judas, end up in hell.

Everything listed in this article steems from FALSE TEACHINGS.

For one thing, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ANY CHURCH BEING TAKEN OFF THIS EARTH.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ANY 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD.

There is no such thing as a 'separation ' of Jews and Gentiles in the N.T. Now there is the ones DENYING the finished work of Jesus; for he said he took away the enemity and made them both one new man. He said there is NO DIFFERENCE IN THE JEWS AND ANYONE ELSE, SINCE CALVARY.

No Jews are going to go through any 7 year tribulation. It is a made-up lie.

Now, to prove to you that our REDEMPTION is not complete here in this life:

Luke 21: 26. Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Read this chapter: it is speaking of the end time events. Verse 28 -- when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH.

What do you think 'draweth nigh' means.

It can only mean one thing: it is not here yet - it is coming near.

Romans 8: 21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

This says the whole creation, Us included are all in pain together until ~~~~ ....waiting for something --- but what?

the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Now our salvation is NOT complete until this takes place. And there are many reasons given in the Word, showing that many who make a start with God will not make this finish.

Believe their lies if you wish; complacency and acceptance of sin is NOT HAVING FAITH IN GOD. IT IS NOT SALVATION. It will not bring salvation. It will doom people to hell causing them to feel secure in CONFORMING TO THIS WORLD, WHEN WE HAVE BEEN TOLD NOT TO CONFORMING.

I have brought this message to the top for a reason.

I am totally unknowlegble when it comes to New Testament Gospel except I told you the Last Book for Time*

But I heard this and this is from N.T Jesus says.

"My Sheeps hears my voice and they follow me."

Have you heard his voice? And yet do not percieve it ?

Sure I have heard his voice and have perceived it. If you hear the voice of God it is going to have to line up with scripture. God is not going to show you something that is not in his word.

A lots of times God speak to his sheep through his word. I am certain that I heard the voice of God when I was baptized in the beautiful name of Jesus Christ for the remission ogf my sins and was filled with his spirit (Holy Ghost) and spoke in tongues as the spirit of God gave the utterance. Praise the Lord. Not only did I hear his voice but perceived it and it is also bibcal.

Acts- 2:1: When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord* in one place.

2:2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.

2:3: Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.

2:4: And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

If you have not received this wonderful experience as the apostles did- Receive u the Holy Ghost. This promise is unto you and your children as many as the Lord God shall call if you obey the voice of God . This is the Word of God, it is written.

May the Lord Bless

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