Does anyone here truly want the truth; or do you just wish to argue and have hot debates to no avail; only to prove some false concept from the past which suits your personal agenda?

Now I have copied here the only Scripture I know of which gives us the revelation of Jesus' birth date.  IF any of you claiming something else can find one Scripture reference to it, then copy and paste it here for us to read.  And if you cannot ~~~~then deal with this one.

First ask yourself this:  If this is speaking only of Job's birthday, then why was Job such an important personage in the things of God that His birthday was blotted out of existence?  Why would he be the ONLY person who ever lived who had this much importance that God Almighty would blot the day of his birthday out of existence. Why? Why would God blot the day of Job's birth out of existence?  When his life was gone, who would be bothering to keep celebrating, or blessing that day?  NONE.  See?  This was done to keep the world from ever blessing this day again.

So then whose birthday is being celebrated on Dec. 25th?  You who dote so on history, find the answer to this.  For starters find and read 4000 years of Christmas.  It has much history of this date, going way back 4,000 years.  2,000 years BEFORE Jesus was ever born.

And if that is not what is meant here that this day never sees a dawning of light; nor any twilight of night; not stars ever shine in it; it is not numbered with the days of the Month or Year....it dwells all alone somewhere...now if this does not mean it was annialated, then please explain sensibly what this could mean?  What does it mean that God does not regard this day from above?  It was stained by the shadow of death?  Could this be the crucifixion?  Study>

No joyful voice is ever heard in THIS day; so how could it be Dec.25th where all the 'merrymaking is heard'.?

Why was it prophecied here that God would blot Job's birthday out of existence?  Why was this day cursed?

Job, being a prophet of God opened his mouth and CURSED  HIS DAY  and said  "Let that day PERISH".

Now we know that other prophets also had this power to speak curses and it would be God speaking----for God made it stand.  For instance,  Noah opened his mouth and cursed his grandson, Canaan.  and it stood.

God said in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every  Word be established.  So is there another prophet who also cursed his brithday?  Let's see.

Jer.20: 14.  Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.
 15.  Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad.
 16.  And let that man be as the cities which the Lord overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide;
 17.  Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.
 18.  Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?

Now study Jer. and you will see that he REPEATEDLY pronounces that his words are the Word of the Lord.  Agree?

Now, why would this prophet also CURSE his birthday?  Why did God make this curse stand? What day was it?  What day of the year was cursed?  Which one does not exist?  You really all need to study this, pray, and get willing to let God reveal this to you.  quit trying to fight me and prove everything I say to be wrong.  It will not help your soul one tiny bit.  what if I am right?  what then?  You will have rejected revealed truth of God's Holy word.  You are not fighting me, you are fighting God.

Now, 4everhis, you said give me Scripture and I will believe.  Here is it.  Eric, give us Scripture for your date.  If you cannot, then know that it is not of God.  He never gives us things which are not written for proof in His word.

If you cannot give Scripture and I give Scripture for what I say, then who do you believe?  Where is any Scripture pinpointing any day in Sept?  I know of none.  Nothing in Sept. matches these curses by two prophets.  Sept still has all its days;  Feb. does not.  Why?

4everhis, you are such a student of 'history' go find out how many days all the months of the year had before the Juilean Calander.

Compare the rest of Job 3 with Jer. 20 and you will see the same thing being spoken>>>> his sorrow and wishing he had not had to go through all his suffering.  Was this Job and Jeremiah?  Or was it truly prophecy speaking of Jesus?

find your answer.  I am certain.  This is for you; not me.  I was settled on this many years ago.

Solomon said nothing new would ever be under the sun........so.....this X-mess business came from the other side of the flood.  According to this revelation and the revelation of Adam becoming Satan by wishing to be god and receive worship, I now know that Adam started all these holidays, plus temple worship [church buildings] as worship to himself.

God did not ever institute any of these things, nor any animal sacrifices.  Adam started all of these things for worship to himself.

So I believe now that this Dec. 25th date steems from the creation of Adam.  It has to be connected with Adam worship.  All of these evil holidays came from the other side of the flood, as worship to Cain and Adam.

Jo